I agree. If Matthews can't freely discuss her past, then she's not completely healed. She shouldn't be so embarrassed about what she did back then-she's different now. People wouldn't judge who she is now based on who she used to be. Wouldn't she want all the endless rumors to stop? She could finally give her full versions of everything that she did/everything that happened to her. People just want to know the truth!!

she should,nt have released this autobiography of herself it makes her look like a bona-fide hippocrite

i havent seen her book in the stores, it seems to me that she,s not really sharing alot about what happened when she was with prince as a matter of fact no much. must i go online to get a copy of her book? why is that? she talks alot about prince- the negative stuff through the years but not much about her accept the coccaine.

BlaqueKnight said:

From what I know, the book exists, but is incomplete. I guess it's a draft? Let's just say there is something that exists, but whether it is complete or will be released or not is a different tomato all together.

the question is will the book be published when it is "complete"? it seems strange that the book may hurt people instead of helping them and i,m mean people that were in her life like p

Hi Blue22! Can you please please please post any of the pics you have of Vanity and Nikki together?? I've only seen probably 2 counting the one from his book. Also, do you think Nikki's book is 100% true? He's sort of known to "embellish" if you know what I mean and I think he somewhat said once, on Howard STern, that Dirt was embellished a bit. I mean, if you were going to publish your diaries, wouldn't you add/delete somethings?
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rimaring77 said:

If they come up in my possesion I will post, no probs. But can't promise as I have to go fishing for them through things and I haven't the time.

I totally agree about Sixx and if you read anything I've ever said on this forum about him you will see that I know he lies through his little heavy metal teeth most of the time. But why would he speak with her for 5 hours, then ask her to participate in his book with quotes? She had the chance then to redeem herself and deny what he was saying. Other contributors gave their version of events. She could have done the same. Instead, she chose to ramble on about being saved and leaving her Vanity moniker behind.

In any case, she has the chance to counter-point anything he or anyone else has said about her in her own book, if she wants to. Not that she is obliged to even acknowledge any of it. Her choice!

And on your last point, I guess I'm quite different in that I only believe in living in truth. So if I were ever to write an autobiography, it would be truthful...my truth. 'Cause everyone sees things differently. But if I lived it, then it would be my truth. Otherwise, I can't see the point.

blue22 said:

Exactly. She hasn't really come out and say anything is a lie perse' but it's safe to say with his history, it's embellished. Anyway, wouldn't you have loved to be a fly on the wall during that five hour conversation?

Things I think he stretched a bit re:their relationship are as follows:

A. he punched her in the face and dragged her outside by her hair.

B. that they weren't "officially" engaged, as he likes to make people believe. If I remember correctly, he bought her a ring, which he proceeded to flush down a toilet during an argument. He also was interviewed a couple of times. here and there, during their engagement, and he gushed about how taken he was with her and how he wanted her to have 10 of his babies.

A little side note, the tattoo artist who did the roman numeral V on his arm also turned it into a roman numeral 6 when they split and he said Sixx was pretty broken up about it because their wedding was already pretty much set and planned. When she couldn't clean up and neither could he, he decided to break it off. He blamed Vanity for being such a crackhead and said if she couldn't stop then neither could he so he blamed her entirely for not kicking drugs and the demise of their relationship. There was also rumors that said he broke it off because she told him she couldn't have children. But that's a rumor.

C. If you hear anyone else's comments, not from his book but just in general, people who knew them, they say he was UTTERLY obsessed with Vanity when he first saw her in 82, 83 or 84..I forget when, but he had a massive crush on her for years and was forever contacting her management company to hook them up until they finally got sick of him calling they told her to go out on a date with him and the rest was history.

D. That she looked that much like crap. She was so damn beatiful that even a cracked out Vanity would somehow be breathtaking.

rimaring77 said:

I just wanted to add that there was also a Vanity interview on the Arsenio Hall show where she flashes her engagement ring for all to see. Her sister comes down from the audience to hold her hand, so the engagement was real.

What amazes me about Sixx's story is that after the break-up, he says Vanity came back to apologize and they were "friends" again. The last time Vanity is mentioned, he says she came over to his house again with lots of cocaine, but that they were no longer boyfriend/girlfriend.

Does anyone know how/when they finally stopped getting together?

Also, I find it very interesting that only a few months after their break-up, Sixx almost died in December '87 from a drug overdose. Clearly, he was depressed about something...

mimi2 said:

According to the tatt. artist who fixed the tatt, he was pretty down and bitter about the wedding never happening. I think they were set to marry in Egypt and it was mainly all planned out because they were to marry in December of 1987. He's so full of shit though with that "never offically" engaged crap.! How can you be "not officially" engaged but buy your fiance an engagement ring!? OH YEA, and some fans reported meeting the both of them (along with Tommy and HEather) and Nikki and Vanity were showing the fans HER RING and he seemed pretty proud of it, too!!I don't remember him ever, not even once, imply or rectify their title of engagement to any magazines when it was brought up; don't you think he'd correct SOMEONE to the public instead of bitching about it in his diary? Hahaha.

Well, I think he tried to break it off a couple of times after the summer of 1987 because his management was telling him to get clean or get out. He'd always regret getting rid of her and he'd call her back. He was pretty insane and depressed in general. From what I hear, he'd kick her out, and then call her a bitch for leaving him. Someone said they would constantly fight backstage, in front of everyone, because i guess, she'd randomly like to pick fights with him, wind him up and get him started. Anyway, they would fight, and he kicked her out, but then grab her telling her not to leave him or she'd be a coldhearted bitch if she did. Can you say, "issues"? Anyway, I think, not too sure, that it officially ended sometime in fall of 1987, however, they would get together and still screw from time to time until before the end of the year or maybe until beginning of 88-before he went to rehab. Anyway, during the girls girls girls tour, the 2 of them were living together at one point because she moved out of her place and into his "heroin den" and she was there throughout the girls girls girls tour or at least to the near end. In 1988, he went to rehab. I believe, and went to a shrink who put him on Prozac and then he met his first, now, exwife Brandi in 88-89.

When was the arsenio show dated??
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Look, I agree with most of what you are saying. I suppose the only thing I can't speculate on is what I did not see first hand. Also, I have a bit of a problem spending too much time discussing Sixx. A bit of a waste of time. He's very good at manipulating the public so that they spend alot of time trying to figure him out. He is the most attention seeking human being walking this lovely earth. He is not alone! He and Tommy would purposefully make up stories and say, 'lets say this'. Then they would forget to tell Vince. A reporter would then interview Vince and say, 'I just talked to Nikki & Tommy and they said....'. Vince would then say, 'That's not true, we never did that'. So then the fans would go crazy trying to figure out who is lying and who isn't. This is 2008 and it's still happening!!!

If I were you, I wouldn't waste my precious time trying to work out Nikki Sixx or Vanity. Trying to figure out 2 ex-addicts who had major family upbringing issues whilst in the midst of their addiction, is like trying to figure out Bush's last speech. It's all marbled up and makes little sense.

She has the opportunity now to put our little enquiring minds to rest, and her own for that matter.

Let's just see what she does now. My guess is NADA!!

But I do wish she would surprise us all and shame my little cynical mind. I really wish that she would release a full tell-all, no holds barred, truthful, accountable, time-line documented and brutally honest book about her life overall. She is fascinating to me (I don't think I'm alone here). And if she did, I think you could pretty much see her on all the major networks reeling in the cash, the attention, the admiration, the recognition, and the first place on the NY Times Bestseller List for a long time. Girl, you are totally missing out V!!! Get some good therapy (the Lord gifted others to help others), heal yourself, and come out with guns blazing girl!

Word on everything about sixx! You're exactly right. About 99% of what comes out of his mouth is a lie or vastly distorted.

Anyway, just one question, do you know when that arsenio was dated? Month, i mean. I know it had to be 1987- but when in 87?

Also, Yeah, is her effin' book every going to come out!?!? I'm not paying 200 for it, though! She needs to come out with this book!

rimaring77 said:

Don't know the date. My guess is that it was The Tonight Show hosted by Hall, since his show didn't premiere until 1989. So you could probably do some research and find the episode air date and estimate the taping date (?)

But why is this important?

Wait, I know.....you're still trying to figure it all out. I think you might need to join, 'Let It Go' Anonymous.

Don't worry, you'll have company 'cause I'm right behind you!!

she cant handle coming out of the open about her past fully yet! i wouldnt pay 200 dollars for a book. she needs to re-check herself and quick!!!!!

jimmiev1967 said:

Re-check is right!!

You know I seem to recall the fact that someone wrote a book about Nikki a few years ago and it cost over $100, something like that. Maybe that's where she got the idea to charge so much. For that kind of money I can guess what happened in her life.

Paying that kind of money for a book is mind boggling. And we won't even know what it contains until we buy it. Imagine winning at the crap table and holding the money in your hands and then thinking, 'Is this real? Did I really win?' Thats gonna spoil it for me.

danm!! rick james has an autobiography and it talks about the rock and roll and the drugs and the retail price is $25.99. so denise needs to pray on dumb people for that kinda cheese.

jimmiev1967 said:

From the Amazon website:
An Education in Rebellion: The Biography of Nikki Sixx by Jake Brown (Paperback - 16 Aug 2005)
1 Used & new from £175.19
Books: See all 4 items

I should really be shot at point blank range for advertising anything of Sixx's. God help me. But it was just to show you the price of one of his books. But I don't think he has anything to do with this book. It's just some greedy leech making a killing off of him. Why not? The 2 ex-wives have done it!!


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blue22 said:

If I remember correctly, Arsenio was filling in for Joan Rivers (her show). I thought the interview took place in '88 when Action Jackson was released, but maybe it was in '87 during filming? Peter Deluise was interviewed after Vanity (she sat beside him) and he was all over her at some points of his interview. Vanity's sister, Patty, came down to join her -- I believe she had recently ended her relationship with Eddie Murphy and now was with Tony LeMans who was sitting in the audience.
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Snap said:

Yeah, I remember that. And she said he was working with Prince (Tony). Arsenio promised to have him back on the show at a later date.
I've been neglecting to mention this bit...but around the same time, the Crue's lead singer killed someone in a car crash and was on the verge of going to prison for a long time. Everyone close to that camp knows that right after that, Nikki sunk right into drug oblivion. Nikki has gotten away with alot in his life, but Vince is the one who got caught and was about to do some time for it. The whole future for them looked pretty bleak. His nan died around that time too. No excuses here, just shedding some light on an already dreadful situation for both him and Vanity and together I can't see how it could have worked. They were too sick. But if Denise wants to shed an even brighter light on this, please, please, please.

blue22 said:

Hey, where do I sign up for that "Let it go anonymous" group?! Yeah, Nikki has always been massively screwed in the head. Even if from the outside, it seemed like he got off easy, I think his demons in his mind were punishment enough!

Also, did anyone ever find out if Nikki really have a tattoo on his groin of Vanity's lips?? I know for a fact that he has lips on his groin, but are they Vanity's.

rimaring77 said:

Rimaring77 I am going to rimaring your throat in a minute.....you say you 'know for a fact'. Oh do you now???? Do tell. You can't just leave me hanging like that.

Or else you are just trying to get me to say something. But I'm not biting this one (no pun intended, really).

You are a clever little minx.

blue22 said:

Seeeee! Lip print tattoo. He got that in 86-ish and he said a girlfriend put the lips there. So, I was just wonderin' if they were Vanity's since they started dating in 86. Rimaring my throat?? Sheesh..sorry.

rimaring77 said:

Ha Ha. I thought you meant more in the other area!! That's why I'm saying, 'How do you know about that'! OK, I get your point now.

Maybe they are hers. But like you said, she needs to come out with this book! Then maybe she will tell us.

Is there any difference in swapping drugs for religion?? The addict personality still survives but the mode of getting high changes??

I cant remember ever hearing much from Any former Prince Associate, maybe a blurb here and there, but no actual gossipy type book from any of them.

Either they all have a LOT of class, and don't need the money, signed long term confidentiality clauses in their contracts.....or he helps them out with money here and there, to keep them quiet.
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violetblues said:

I thought the same thing.

ConsciousContact said:

there ain't no salvation in drugs
nor in religion neither
only in Jesus