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Larry Graham vs. Tony M. which was the biggest piss poor excuse for a side kick....
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I thought you'd be asking a TOTALLY different question...  | |
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Larry Graham did more damage to Prince's career in the long term. By far. | |
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viewaskew said: Larry Graham did more damage to Prince's career in the long term. By far.
i disagree...no lary graham no funk bass | |
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Where is / what is LG doing now? Is P still working with him? Or.... have they gone their seperate ways 
And I like Prince's base better  [Edited 1/23/08 14:22pm] | |
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Neither.  | |
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Larry. I agree with viewaskew. Larry has been far more detrimental to Prince, both musically and personally (which eventually effected his musical career) than Tony.
Secondly, Tony M. was Prince trying to capitalize on hip-hop with something new (sucky as hell, but new, nonetheless). Larry, as an already established musical legend, brought nothing fresh to Prince's show and is way creepier than Tony M. ever was. | |
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DevotedPuppy said: Larry. I agree with viewaskew. Larry has been far more detrimental to Prince, both musically and personally (which eventually effected his musical career) than Tony.
Secondly, Tony M. was Prince trying to capitalize on hip-hop with something new (sucky as hell, but new, nonetheless). Larry, as an already established musical legend, brought nothing fresh to Prince's show and is way creepier than Tony M. ever was. larry taught prince how to finger the bass and rhonda correctly | |
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mirrorbestfriend said: DevotedPuppy said: Larry. I agree with viewaskew. Larry has been far more detrimental to Prince, both musically and personally (which eventually effected his musical career) than Tony.
Secondly, Tony M. was Prince trying to capitalize on hip-hop with something new (sucky as hell, but new, nonetheless). Larry, as an already established musical legend, brought nothing fresh to Prince's show and is way creepier than Tony M. ever was. larry taught prince how to finger the bass and rhonda correctly Larry taught Prince how to finger Rhonda?!?!   surviving on the thought of loving you, it's just like the water
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KidaDynamite said: mirrorbestfriend said: larry taught prince how to finger the bass and rhonda correctly Larry taught Prince how to finger Rhonda?!?!  | |
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KidaDynamite said: mirrorbestfriend said: larry taught prince how to finger the bass and rhonda correctly Larry taught Prince how to finger Rhonda?!?! Nah, Rhonda taught Larry and Prince how to properly pop a chick | |
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Dance said: KidaDynamite said: Larry taught Prince how to finger Rhonda?!?! Nah, Rhonda taught Larry and Prince how to properly pop a chick I honestly don't want to hear about Larry 'popping' anything!  surviving on the thought of loving you, it's just like the water
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KidaDynamite said: Dance said: Nah, Rhonda taught Larry and Prince how to properly pop a chick I honestly don't want to hear about Larry 'popping' anything! Tina would have decapitated her meal ticket with that stupid towel if there was any monkey business afoot. | |
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viewaskew said: KidaDynamite said: I honestly don't want to hear about Larry 'popping' anything! Tina would have decapitated her meal ticket with that stupid towel if there was any monkey business afoot. Is Tina the short red haired one in the Septimo show, the one that even Prince got embarrassed about when she tried singing everyday people, i thought that was a member of the audience and i was shocked at Prince´s patience to let her sing so long If it were not for insanity, I would be sane.
"True to his status as the last enigma in music, Prince crashed into London this week in a ball of confusion" The Times 2014 | |
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Larry Graham is the single most irritating and unlikeable associated artist in Prince history. The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.
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Whitnail said: viewaskew said: Tina would have decapitated her meal ticket with that stupid towel if there was any monkey business afoot. Is Tina the short red haired one in the Septimo show, the one that even Prince got embarrassed about when she tried singing everyday people, i thought that was a member of the audience and i was shocked at Prince´s patience to let her sing so long Is that his wife?!!! | |
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mirrorbestfriend said: DevotedPuppy said: Larry. I agree with viewaskew. Larry has been far more detrimental to Prince, both musically and personally (which eventually effected his musical career) than Tony.
Secondly, Tony M. was Prince trying to capitalize on hip-hop with something new (sucky as hell, but new, nonetheless). Larry, as an already established musical legend, brought nothing fresh to Prince's show and is way creepier than Tony M. ever was. larry taught prince how to finger the bass and rhonda correctly X 1,000
what a quote, can I use that as my sig? If it were not for insanity, I would be sane.
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moderatorWhitnail said: mirrorbestfriend said: larry taught prince how to finger the bass and rhonda correctly X 1,000
what a quote, can I use that as my sig? he did | |
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LOL@Larry Graham as a "Prince sidekick". The word is MENTOR. You can't blame Larry for Prince's fall from grace. Prince wrote much of that boring ass material. Point the finger where it belongs.
When its great - you say it was all Prince and the band members contribute nothing. Why can't that be the case when the material sucks? Prince was coppin' Larry's bass licks long before they actually hooked up. Just listen to his older material and then listen to some GCS. What do you think Prince would actually be doing if he hadn't brought Larry into the fold? The music business changed. Prince's descent from popularity was part of the change. It was inevitable. | |
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Why does everyone say Larry Graham is "creepy"?
Onstage he's a flamboyant old nut. 20 years ago, he was a flamboyant younger nut. That's how he's been performing for years. With Prince, he acts no differently than without Prince, from what I've observed. So what is the big deal? | |
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Funny thing is, what you said about Larry is exactly what some of the kids today say about Prince.
A lot of Prince fans who didn't grow up listening to funk and Prince was their introduction to the music are unaware of the impact Larry actually had on music; funk music AND Prince's music. They try to blame Prince's changes on Larry when Prince has spent the majority of his career going from style to style and looking for some other direction to take. Its a given that there would be good choices and bad choices. Prince made 'em, not Larry. He's not any more creepy than Prince himself. He is who he is. His eccentricities are different than Prince's but they are both "characters" of sorts. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: Funny thing is, what you said about Larry is exactly what some of the kids today say about Prince.
A lot of Prince fans who didn't grow up listening to funk and Prince was their introduction to the music are unaware of the impact Larry actually had on music; funk music AND Prince's music. They try to blame Prince's changes on Larry when Prince has spent the majority of his career going from style to style and looking for some other direction to take. Its a given that there would be good choices and bad choices. Prince made 'em, not Larry. He's not any more creepy than Prince himself. He is who he is. His eccentricities are different than Prince's but they are both "characters" of sorts. But of course! They have far more in common than people seem to think. Prince's flamboyance owes a lot to Larry's flamboyance. And they are both as big if not bigger on musicianship than image. Well put. | |
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PeaceandLoveCowgirl said: Why does everyone say Larry Graham is "creepy"?
I think his mustache is creepy--he looks like a muppet.And I dislike the way his has that microphone attached to his bass. And the way he calls Prince his baby brother. It's all very creepy to me.  | |
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People who don't think Larry Graham is creepy are creepy.
The last thing Prince needed at one of the commercial lowpoints of his career (the mid-late 1990s), following the PR disaster that was the namechange to  was to connect with Graham. His lasting contributions to bass technique notwithstanding, he was a recovering addict, who turned to God (as so many recovering addicts tend to do) & desperate for another chance at the limelight.
He came at a time when Prince needed someone to challenge him creatively. As Prince was playing Sly cover tunes in his high school band, whatever Larry Graham brought to the table at that point in Prince's career, was not a challenge, but a tragic temptation to coast on former success, which Prince has been doing for years now. This path that Prince is on may please fellow JWs, or those who don't mind that his work has been substandard for some time, but for those of us who grew to appreciate quality work from Prince, it's a disappointment that certainly outlasts the forgetable contributions of "the wittiest pen The Twin Cities have ever seen." [Edited 1/24/08 11:11am] | |
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DevotedPuppy said: PeaceandLoveCowgirl said: Why does everyone say Larry Graham is "creepy"?
I think his mustache is creepy--he looks like a muppet.And I dislike the way his has that microphone attached to his bass. And the way he calls Prince his baby brother. It's all very creepy to me. I guess Prince must be pretty creepy then himself, 'cause he doesn't seem to mind any of it! | |
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viewaskew said: People who don't think Larry Graham is creepy are creepy.
The last thing Prince needed at one of the commercial lowpoints of his career (the mid-late 1990s), following the PR disaster that was the namechange to was to connect with Graham. His lasting contributions to bass technique notwithstanding, he was a recovering addict, who turned to God (as so many recovering addicts tend to do) & desperate for another chance at the limelight.
He came at a time when Prince needed someone to challenge him creatively. As Prince was playing Sly cover tunes in his high school band, whatever Larry Graham brought to the table at that point in Prince's career, was not a challenge, but a tragic temptation to coast on former success, which Prince has been doing for years now. This path that Prince is on may please fellow JWs, or those who don't mind that his work has been substandard for some time, but for those of us who grew to appreciate quality work from Prince, it's a disappointment that certainly outlasts the forgetable contributions of "the wittiest pen The Twin Cities have ever seen." You are not looking at music realistically but rather with "a skewed view". The 90s was a significant change in the musical climate of American music. It meant the demise of hair bands, spandex, ambiguously sexual male imagery...and PRINCE. People wanted to move away from that era completely and they did. The whine rockers like Kurt K and the Newjack Swing era brought about major changes in music. Rap was on the rise to being respected as a financially viable music form. The masses wanted change. Prince was a symbol of the 80s. Unless he was willing to make major changes within himself, he was doomed to failure in retaining his pop crowd. He got much more of a "pass" than a lot of other artists. Much of his music was unsuccessful in the 90s for the most part because he himself attempted things that could only have worked at his plateau in popularity. Take Graffiti Bridge (please - take it), he became more efeminite than ever and his music became even more avant-garde. It worked for his hardcore fan base, but of course anything he did would have worked. It didn't work for the masses and that's why he had less commercial success. Larry had nothing to do with his commercial demise - he did. His unwillingness to subvert has been his asset and his undoing. Prince has always had the final say so in the direction of his music. You can't blame Larry or Kirky or the Game Boyz, Carmen, Mayte or anyone else for what he does. Its your own fault for building him up to be more than what he is - human. All humans fuck up sometimes. | |
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I miss Tommy Barbarella...if Prince woulda let him, he could have been the best sidekick ever.... | |
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roodboi said: I miss Tommy Barbarella...if Prince woulda let him, he could have been the best sidekick ever....
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BlaqueKnight said: viewaskew said: People who don't think Larry Graham is creepy are creepy.
The last thing Prince needed at one of the commercial lowpoints of his career (the mid-late 1990s), following the PR disaster that was the namechange to was to connect with Graham. His lasting contributions to bass technique notwithstanding, he was a recovering addict, who turned to God (as so many recovering addicts tend to do) & desperate for another chance at the limelight.
He came at a time when Prince needed someone to challenge him creatively. As Prince was playing Sly cover tunes in his high school band, whatever Larry Graham brought to the table at that point in Prince's career, was not a challenge, but a tragic temptation to coast on former success, which Prince has been doing for years now. This path that Prince is on may please fellow JWs, or those who don't mind that his work has been substandard for some time, but for those of us who grew to appreciate quality work from Prince, it's a disappointment that certainly outlasts the forgetable contributions of "the wittiest pen The Twin Cities have ever seen." You are not looking at music realistically but rather with "a skewed view". The 90s was a significant change in the musical climate of American music. It meant the demise of hair bands, spandex, ambiguously sexual male imagery...and PRINCE. People wanted to move away from that era completely and they did. The whine rockers like Kurt K and the Newjack Swing era brought about major changes in music. Rap was on the rise to being respected as a financially viable music form. The masses wanted change. Prince was a symbol of the 80s. Unless he was willing to make major changes within himself, he was doomed to failure in retaining his pop crowd. He got much more of a "pass" than a lot of other artists. Much of his music was unsuccessful in the 90s for the most part because he himself attempted things that could only have worked at his plateau in popularity. Take Graffiti Bridge (please - take it), he became more efeminite than ever and his music became even more avant-garde. It worked for his hardcore fan base, but of course anything he did would have worked. It didn't work for the masses and that's why he had less commercial success. Larry had nothing to do with his commercial demise - he did. His unwillingness to subvert has been his asset and his undoing. Prince has always had the final say so in the direction of his music. You can't blame Larry or Kirky or the Game Boyz, Carmen, Mayte or anyone else for what he does. Its your own fault for building him up to be more than what he is - human. All humans fuck up sometimes. Zzzzzz.... Your argument might make a point if Prince's music ever really changed stylistically. It hasn't. It's always been a genre-bending mix of different styles. His experiments with rap in the early 1990s failed just as they did in the mid-late 1990s & more recently. But he used to be able to write impressive pop music, R&B, & rock. Now, it's bland retreads more often than not. His music has greatly diminished in quality & appeal, which impacted on his commercial success. And Larry's impact was much more on Prince as an artist & a man than as an artist who sold records. Larry's influence caused Prince's self-censorship, not to mention more of the religious horseshittery that came with that. Again, that is something that has now lasted for more than a decade, certainly longer than the Tony M Experience. | |
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