SCNDLS said:

I knew who she was before she married Russell. She was the muse for Karl Langerfield and Chanel when she was like 13ish.

Kimora isn't a dumby. At least she just isn't getting child support a la fake model Kim Porter.

I've seem Oprah talk to her staff in the same manner. I loveeeee the insanity of Kimora....and she IS annoying but the chick isn't dumb.


As much as I don't care for Mani, I'll give her some credit....a little bit for taking the opportunity by the balls. these women are smart enough to parle their experiences with these husbands into a business opportunity...I say thats better than being a baby maker for a check.

Kissmequick said:

So it seems that ya'll are loving Kimora, even though she'd be an over the hill model if it wasn't for the fact that she married Russell. But a lot of folks, I'm not saying you two, be hatin' on Mani cuz she came up after being married to Prince. . .

At least Mani is using her come up for good and the improvement of other people's lives to some degree, while Kimora is showing the world it's okay to be rude and bitchy and "designing" some tacky ass clothes that promote girls being half nekkid. I'm not necessarily a Mani fan, I'm just saying a lot of folks out here specifically mention that she wouldn't be anybody if she hadn't married P, and I'm just pointing out that Kimora did the same thing but she's applauded for it. What's up with that???

Rhondab said:

I knew who she was before Russell too and I didn't say she was stupid. I'm just saying that she was never a "supermodel" and the odds that she'd still have a flourishing modeling career 20 years later OR that she'd be owning her own fashion label without having married Russell are REALLY doubtful. Regardless, she's not a nice person, at least she doesn't portray herself to be. And worse she revels and celebrates her materialism. BOTH of their episodes of Cribs made me sick.

Now, Mani "seems" to carry herself with some class, speaks intelligently and bases her business model on helping others, but she gets hated on. I just find the dichotomy interesting and I've never given it any thought. I guess I'm surprised to see so many of ya'll, that I believe are strong, intelligent women are "fans" of Kimora's.

VenusBlingBling said:

They look cute together, they compliment each other well, Prince and Manuela
really didn't look like a match. Some of the photos with them two together she had the look as if she wasn't even comfortable in her own skin around Prince. May they all continue to find HAPPINESS.

SCNDLS said:

.... Okay, where do I start? Kimora didn't stalk Russell, work for him, enter into a relationship with him while married to someone else, and then married Russell. Divorce him and uses his money to create a "charity" - that was more or less created by Russell in the first place. Perhaps that's where the so called "hate" comes from. I don't hate her, but I do have a lack of respect for her; and for that matter, Prince as well.


Kimora was a well known model prior to being with Russell. She started dating him around 19/20. Married him at 23. So who's to say where Kimora would be had she not married Russ? The fact is that she did and whether it's liked or not she worked with him and created Baby Phat. The Simmons family as a whole (all members) is all about a 24 hour hustle. Even the girls (Through the parents) have a line of clothing now. Would you say that they would be washed up third graders if it weren't for Daddy Russ? Or the cousins would just be washed up cousins if it weren't for Uncle Russ? Fact of the matter is the Simmons clan does what they do best. Like her or not Kimora is doing what her husband led her to do. My post originally pointed out that she acts the way he does when it comes to business. I know this first hand.

Personally, I don't wear Baby Phat, but clearly there are those that do. This is her business...and she aint too far gone to see that ish yet! ** I'm sorry!** She works hard for it and the people around her have been there for a bit. IF they didn't enjoy it, or her, they wouldn't be there. Cameras do tend to exaggerate the situations. But I have to say that compared to other celebrities that I've been around, Kimora is a walk in the park. She's not the nicest, but there are those who are far worse.

As for Mani, I wish her - and her crew at Mani.org - all the best.

SCNDLS said:

Well,I guess we just view Kimora way different than you do.I really believe that Kimora would have still been "somebody" if she didnt marry Russel.She just has a certain drive 2 me.I watched her cribs and well...she just showed off her things but thats what cribs is all about.They want the viewers to want what they see.She didnt come off snobby or saditty to me...she actually came off kind of funny.Like she wanted people 2 see she has all those things but still acts a mess sometimes.If I can remember right she even bussed on herself for having too many shoes.And I dont think shes materialistic...I just think shes really in2 her career in which she has to take material things,such as clothes and shoes,seriously.Im not gonna lie,if I had the money Id probably have as many shoes and clothes as her,lol!


As for Mani,I actually like Mani.People obviously hate on her cuz this is Prince.org.On Russel.org they probably hate on Kimora 2 And I think people ginuinely just dont like Mani but I dont think Mani should put higher than Kimora because she started a charity instead of a Clothing line.Kimora and Mani are 2 different people;so if Mani is into helping children etc. and actually makes a charity its not 2 say that Kimora doesnt care or is less classy b/c she chose to make a clothing line instead.To be honest I have no clue if Mani is more intelligent or classy because I havent heard her say more than a couple of words and Im not gonna base anything off her myspace page or pics.But I actually would expect that(a clothing line) from Kimora since shes been a model for so long.Her and Russel also are known for charity work and actually still do charity work together even tho theyre divorced.

Im not tryna change your view of her cuz its obvious that aint gon happen but its just that I dont think shes that bad.She has a drive and works hard and gets stuff done Oh and I dont wear tons of Babyphat but her clothes arent all tacky.I dont like her colored animal print stuff,which is tacky to me,but everything else is cool...a bit overpriced but cool.

PleasurePrinciple said:

Again, I never said she was stupid or lacked ambition. All I'm saying is that she came up largely, potentially solely, because of who she married and so did Mani. However, some folks HATE on Mani for it (not directed at you or other posters on THIS thread) while others applaud Kimora for the same thing. My not being a fan of eithers, which I'm NOT, is irrelevant. Just thought the differing viewpoints were interesting.

SCNDLS said:

The only reason why people are hating on Mani when they aren't hating on Kimora is because Mani was just a fan like we are. She was a "normal" woman who didn't just sit on her behind and dream about one day getting together and working with Prince like most of us, but who actually made it happen and not only that, Prince also fell in love with her. That makes a lot of women here jealous, and those who say otherwise are liars.

Simple as that.

VenusBlingBling said:

yeah, i'm jealous all right for my own selfish purposes, however not sure if I want to look up to someone who is living the high life because she stalked a man. why is mani famous, why is she in the place she is? did she do something innovative, totally on her own? how did she end up on the red carpet? Mani is getting around because of her looks, being married to Prince and his money. Sorry but selling incense and candles is nothing new and though her charity work is great, it's not like it has not been done before by people working hard which you will never know who they are because they didn't stalk a rock star.

Right now Mani is living the best of both worlds. She's living off someone else's money and gets put on a pedastle for doing charity work. I say, you go girl. She planned this well and Prince totally fell for it. I do like her products though and her charity work, well who can not appreciate that.
[Edited 8/25/07 7:46am]

wonder505 said:

But who's saying that she planned all this?? I don't understand what's wrong with admiring a musician and therefore applying for a job at his place, how does that make you a stalker? I wouldn't wanna apply for a job and work for someone I thought was horrible. And I don't know many women who find Prince totally unattractive so her having a little crush on him wasn't strange. Prince liked her, she got the job and so one of her dreams came true. This doesn't mean that she did all this only to have Prince marry her and then file for divorce so she can get all his money and lead the life of a celebrity. I mean, my guess is that the chemistry was right, she happened to fell madly in love with him and he madly in love with her(and we all know that those kinds of emotons aren't anything you can control over), they eventually married and then something(s) happened that made her realize that she doesn't want to be part of his purple kingdom anymore. I can only imagine how tough it must be to be with Prince let alone be married with him. Not saying it can't be wonderful, but there are certainly a lot of things one has to put up with.
So until I've clearly been proven wrong I won't believe that Mani is some golddigger and crazy stalker who only did this to become rich and famous.

VenusBlingBling said:

you're giving her the benefit of the doubt and that is cool and I totally respect your opinion. I ain't buying it though. i have to be proven wrong as well.

wonder505 said:

Yea,I dont think Mani was a stalker but...leaving your family and friends to move to MN to work for your favorite MARRIED singer is a bit shaky to me.My opinion is never really made up about what happened there.I dont think shes a golddigger at all but I do wanna know why him dumping Mayte and marrying Mani happened so quickly.To me,it looks as if the 2 already had a relationship while he was married 2 Mayte.Of course I dont know 4 sure but we dont know anything for sure about their relationship except,she was a fan...she moved 2 MN to work for him...they got married...and now theyre divorced. Id like to believe Mani was an angel the whole time because I like Mani period but I just dont know.How do you become legally divorced some time during or after June of 2000 and then New Years Eve 2001 youre getting married again???I mean I know people do it all the time but I just think Prince and Mani had an intimate relationship b4 his marriage was over with Mayte ...and that aint rite no matter how you spin it.

PleasurePrinciple said:

That's true, they probably did have a relationship while P was with Mayte. Just don't think it's a reason to think of Mani as an evil witch. Not saying that she was all perfect, but so many here just make it sound like "poor" Prince was naive and married a cold hearted golddigger who never loved him.

VenusBlingBling said:

naw,I dont think shes like that but you cant be mad at the people who think bad stuff about her.I mean if its a possibility shes a homewrecker you cant really go on thinkin shes the sweetest thing either.I think she got into the marriage the wrong way and you cant build a marriage on a foundaton like that.And if he was still married 2 Mayte,why would she marry him knowing that he could do the same 2 her.But then again...its Prince But I really dont think she was in it for the money.

PleasurePrinciple said:

I guess I've come to a point where I've realized that LOVE is powerful and drives ya insane. I can relate to a lotta stories....

sosgemini said:

I just want to state for the record that it is because of the "coochie coupons" post that there is an ad for Juicy Juice Coupons @ the top of the page right now

CalhounSq said:

There was a comedian on Def Comedy Jam or Comic View who used that term a loooong time ago. Can't recall who. S'more, maybe? I don't even know how that girl spells her name.

...
[Edited 8/25/07 16:31pm]

VenusBlingBling said:

I am not jealous, never even entertained the thought of ever meeting Prince, let alone date him.
He really isn't my dating type, and I am not his.

That being said... I don't *hate* Manuela, because I don't know any of them... but I am not a
supporter of her because it seems to me, she got involved with a married man.
I am a married woman with a child, I don't appreciate or admire a homewrecker.

"Simple as that".

Like another poster said, Mani moved to another freaking country to meet a married man, and wound up marrying him.

"Simple as that"

I don't give Prince a pass, which is why I was still in high school, I knew he and his type would never be a good match for me.
I believe in fidelity and committment.

Please stop saying that unless you are cheerleading a homewrecker that means you are jealous of said homewrecker. It just ain't so.

"simple as that"

VenusBlingBling said:[quote]

wonder505 said:

I bet Mayte could attest for that.

How do yall' Know that she got any money from him, is thier Divorce even final yet? I Haven't heard or read anythinhg else about it since they Announced the divorce.

prodigalfan said:

You can start hating me... because anyone can become a "homewrecker". I'm not cheerleading it, I'm being a realist. Life is not black and white. Plus it takes two. P could have decided to keep his promise and stay with Mayte despite the temptation.... but he didn't. As I've said before, life is not just black and white and love and all the chemicals that are involved in this process are powerful. Prince's and Mayte's relationship was already shaky when Mani came and well, maybe P saw someone in here he thought was better for him or maybe he just wanted something new. What I'm saying is that P is as much to blame as Mani and being married to someone does not mean that there is not someone out there who is better for you... I'm not saying that it's ok to cheat on your partner, but I do understand that it can happen and it doesn't automatically make you a bad person... I'm definitely not hating on Mayte and Prince and her seemed to be the perfect couple, but since I don't know any of the people involved and I understand what love and different tragedies can do to you I refuse to see Mani as just a homewrecker. I'm not a member of her fan club, but I have asbolutely no reason to dislike her when I don't know her and I see a beautiful woman who does a lot of good things with her time and money. Maybe Manuela initially moved out to Minnie to get a piece of the Prince cake and if so, that was a dumb decision, but until I've been proven wrong I will think that in the end it was true love, for both of them.

VenusBlingBling said:

I agree with both of you.I dont think Mani is automatically a bad person and she has done and is doing some good things.I also dont believe shes all to blame.If Prince didnt want her...he wouldnt have been with her.BUT the true love part....hmmm?Whos to say it was true love.If that was true love then what was Mayte...because they both ended up in the same place...divorced from Prince.And if he was married how did he have time to find out if he was so "inlove" with Mani.Like I said I think they had an intimate relationship.I see where youre coming from but I also DEFINITELY see where prodigalfan is coming from.I put myself in Mayte's shoes in this scenerio and its really disgusting.It really is.Youre husband...who youve known since you were 16,married,and conceived a child with who later passes away...divorces you because hes found "true love" in his assistant.OMG...please!get the fuck outta here.Just imagine you trying to piece together a broken marriage and all of a sudden your husband hires a young beautiful female fan to be his assistant.Id be worried as hell.
And Ill have to strongly disagree with the anyone can become a homewrecker part...I think anyone can CHOOSE to become a homewrecker.Nobody made Manuela get that close to Prince.If it was me I wouldnt even put myself in a situation in which Id be around a married man that Im strongly attracted to especially if his marriage is shaky and hes already got a reputation proceeding him.And nobody made Prince get close to Mani either.Some people act like she seduced him and shes some evil witch.This is Prince we're talking about.He dont so nothing he doesnt want to.He shouldve known that if he was having problems with Mayte he shouldnt hire temptation to work at the front desk.

SCNDLS said:

welllll there is a lot of implications in your comments about Kimora to me. I think some of us think Kimora would have had some success without the Russell connection. Remember, SHE has the fashion connection. Did you ever think that it was her that helped Russell make the connection in the industry to develop Phat Farm? So if you've heard of Kimora, the fact that she work for one of the mostfamous fashion houses, Chanel, at 13....I'd say that she had some success. Me knowing her name has nothing to do with success. The supermodel has been dead for many, many, many years now. Many times you hear about models is after they leave the industry and do something else. There's only a couple of models that get the supermodel status nowadays.

I think Mani's thing is similar and yet different. I don't see how should would have added to anything prince was doing in the same manner Kimora would have but I'll give her some points for being a thinker, even if its limited.

I think what is interesting is that Mani's housebreaker status is viewed as "she went after her man and got him".....


I guess I should say...you go girl?

Rhondab said:

i agree with this assessment. I just believe the only reason Manuela gets any attention in the media and is all over red carpet events is because of her looks and who she was married to, and has nothing to do with anything she's done on her own. Unless proven otherwise that's just my opinion. as far as how she came into Prince's life, I'm giving her the high five on that one, but I still thinks its creepy to actually move to the state to get close to a rock star. oh well, mission accomplished for Mani.
[Edited 8/26/07 10:25am]

PleasurePrinciple said:

Let me just make it clear that I am NOT saying that taking a man away from another woman and being a so called "homewrecker" is ok. If I were Mayte I'd have been incredibly devestated and furious, to say the least. BUT we can't forget that non of us know what actually happened. All we know we've gotten to know through people gossiping. Prince and co. aren't the kind of people to jump on a couch and shout to the world they're in love or whatever. We can assume what happened, but we cannot know. I'm just tired of people accusing Mani for being a stalker and golddigger when the truth is that hardly anyone of us knows what really went on. I can't see how you can so dislike or even feel hatred towards a woman you've never met and you don't know much about.
As for "homewrecking" being a choice, I wish it were that simple. Sure, you ALWAYS have a choice, but damn how hard it can be to make the right decisions. Don't act as if you were all perfect (PP, I am NOT directing it to you specifically!). We all have had moments were we knew we would never ever do something and then eventually we did it anyways. Maybe Manuela did plan on becoming Prince's new love, maybe she wanted money and fame, maybe she never loved him, or maybe she did have all good intentions. And as you PP and I have pointed out, P's involved too and he gave in for temptation and left his wife for a new woman. Then why is it Mani who gets all the blame?
My GUESS (or one of them) is that after the loss of the baby and things became difficult, Prince couldn't handle it anymore. He gave in and tried to escape by putting his heart and time into something else. And there he found it: a new, fresh and beautiful, un-damaged love.

VenusBlingBling said:

No one is letting Prince off the hook....the topic just happens to be focused on Mani's participation.

Rhondab said:

I know, it's just that I hardly see in any thread anyone saying anything negative about P in this situation.

After the tragedy surrounding Prince and Mayte's child, my hypothesis is that Prince married Mani because he wanted to have children and start a family, something that was not happening with Mayte.
Why his marriage to Mani failed according to someone I met in Minneapolis (whose relative was working on the divorce papers) was because Prince was spending too much time with Tamar and the Twinz and ignoring Mani. Prince really is not the sacrificial lamb as people make him out to be.

Mani filed for divorce because she basically wanted to get on with her life.

Remember Mayte came out and said she was not allowed to call him and basically had to wait for him to call her... I think such was also the case with Mani. Again, this is pure speculation..... please don't sue me.
[Edited 8/26/07 17:04pm]

VenusBlingBling said:

I really dont think you meant that but you came off as saying that they just couldnt help themselves because of the power of "true love".And "love" makes u act insane and stuff.Okay,that kind of "love" is blind and is leaning more towards infatuation!
I really dont think Manuela planned on becoming a homewrecxker,if that is the case cuz we still dont know,but my point was...SHE SET HERSELF UP!Everybody doesnt always blame Mani.I blame both of them but for right now I think we're on Mani.I also think people dont concentrate on Prince alot because we all know hes like that.Even when they divorced(you can look up the thread)there were some people who just dogged Prince out on the thread and made Mani look like the angel.And some people made Mani out to be a golddiggin thief without knowing any facts.But there was also the crowd who said thats what she gets for being involved with a married man.There are alot of Mani haters but you can only expect so much from a Prince FANsite.Im sure that is Mani had a FANsite the majority would put the blame on Prince.