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Reply #30 posted 06/17/07 10:03am

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prodigalfan said:

I have never seen a pic of Peter. Wow, she is the spitting image of him.
she especially has his eyes.


He used to be the bandleader on Wayne Brady's talk show. He's a cutie pie. nod
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Reply #31 posted 06/17/07 10:05am

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I don't care who her parents are, somebody needs to feed that girl!


She's actually gained quite a bit of weight in some of the recent pics I've seen of her. Remember when she was a fatty and dressed terribly, with all the torn up clothes and multi colored hair??? Then she went all high fashion on us and developed eating disorders. Sooooo Hollywood. . . rolleyes
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Reply #32 posted 06/17/07 10:40am

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SCNDLS said:

bellanoche said:



I saw the side by side pics of Pete and Nicole on mediatakeout too. They said that her mother was African American. I did not know that.


Well, Mediatakeout isn't the most reliable source. I'm not saying Peter Michael isn't her father but the details may be wrong. Like them saying Peter Michael is Latino and African American. Is "Latino" a race??? Aren't both of his parents Puerto Rican??? Now it's obvious that Sheila's mother and perhaps her father are of African descent, but that's not "African American." And as we've discussed in other threads Black Latinos are very common. So they may be wrong about Nicole's mother especially since there are no pics to look at. shrug
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I won't even go into whether Latino is a race or not... that's a hotly debated topic and one of debated/studied by various educational, political and ohter groups etc.

However, since he is Sheila's brother, we know that Peter Michael's parents are (based on Sheila's bios):

Father: Of Mexican or Mexican American heritage

Mother: Of Creole heritage (most likely including some African American)

Thus, Peter Michael is a mix of the above.
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Reply #33 posted 06/17/07 1:45pm

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GaryMF said:

SCNDLS said:



Well, Mediatakeout isn't the most reliable source. I'm not saying Peter Michael isn't her father but the details may be wrong. Like them saying Peter Michael is Latino and African American. Is "Latino" a race??? Aren't both of his parents Puerto Rican??? Now it's obvious that Sheila's mother and perhaps her father are of African descent, but that's not "African American." And as we've discussed in other threads Black Latinos are very common. So they may be wrong about Nicole's mother especially since there are no pics to look at. shrug
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I won't even go into whether Latino is a race or not... that's a hotly debated topic and one of debated/studied by various educational, political and ohter groups etc.

However, since he is Sheila's brother, we know that Peter Michael's parents are (based on Sheila's bios):

Father: Of Mexican or Mexican American heritage

Mother: Of Creole heritage (most likely including some African American)

Thus, Peter Michael is a mix of the above.


Well, IMO Latino refers more to a Spanish-speaking culture or background rather than race. It's not necessarily indicative of race. Case in point, I'm a native of a Spanish speaking country, therefore Latina, but racially I'm Black. So I consider myself a Black Latina. So what I meant was that you can't assume that because someone is "Latino" that doesn't mean they're not of another race.

Anyway, I've never seen Sheila's bio (do you have a source for one?) but I remember hearing somewhere that her parents were of Puerto Rican descent, which of course could be wrong. I've seen her mom several times, most recently at an aftershow in Vegas back in March. She's still very pretty and quite obviously of African descent, regardless of whether it's American or Puerto Rican.
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Reply #34 posted 06/17/07 6:05pm

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SCNDLS said:

bellanoche said:



I saw the side by side pics of Pete and Nicole on mediatakeout too. They said that her mother was African American. I did not know that.


Well, Mediatakeout isn't the most reliable source. I'm not saying Peter Michael isn't her father but the details may be wrong. Like them saying Peter Michael is Latino and African American. Is "Latino" a race??? Aren't both of his parents Puerto Rican??? Now it's obvious that Sheila's mother and perhaps her father are of African descent, but that's not "African American." And as we've discussed in other threads Black Latinos are very common. So they may be wrong about Nicole's mother especially since there are no pics to look at. shrug
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I haven't seen pics of Sheila E. I thought she was Puerto Rican/spanish descent, but wasn't her dad at Woodstock with Santana playing percusssions? If so, I can believe that he had some African mix. But you are right, African American is a Black person from America. And Oh Gosh! Here is another sticking my foot in it...
If you are Black and living in South America.... are you an "African American"?
South America is still in the Americas... right.

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Reply #35 posted 06/17/07 6:07pm

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GaryMF said:

SCNDLS said:



Well, Mediatakeout isn't the most reliable source. I'm not saying Peter Michael isn't her father but the details may be wrong. Like them saying Peter Michael is Latino and African American. Is "Latino" a race??? Aren't both of his parents Puerto Rican??? Now it's obvious that Sheila's mother and perhaps her father are of African descent, but that's not "African American." And as we've discussed in other threads Black Latinos are very common. So they may be wrong about Nicole's mother especially since there are no pics to look at. shrug
[Edited 6/17/07 10:06am]

I won't even go into whether Latino is a race or not... that's a hotly debated topic and one of debated/studied by various educational, political and ohter groups etc.

However, since he is Sheila's brother, we know that Peter Michael's parents are (based on Sheila's bios):

Father: Of Mexican or Mexican American heritage

Mother: Of Creole heritage (most likely including some African American)

Thus, Peter Michael is a mix of the above.



OH, I didn't know that.
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Reply #36 posted 06/17/07 7:25pm

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SCNDLS said:

Well, IMO Latino refers more to a Spanish-speaking culture or background rather than race. It's not necessarily indicative of race. Case in point, I'm a native of a Spanish speaking country, therefore Latina, but racially I'm Black. So I consider myself a Black Latina. So what I meant was that you can't assume that because someone is "Latino" that doesn't mean they're not of another race.

Anyway, I've never seen Sheila's bio (do you have a source for one?) but I remember hearing somewhere that her parents were of Puerto Rican descent, which of course could be wrong. I've seen her mom several times, most recently at an aftershow in Vegas back in March. She's still very pretty and quite obviously of African descent, regardless of whether it's American or Puerto Rican.


SCNDLS, I totally get what you are saying about being Latino and Black at teh same time and agree with you (I had a friend in high school who was Puerto Rican and Black). What I mean in my post is I dind't want to get into that discussion cuz people have different opinions on the matter! smile

anyway, here is a bio from Sheila's site, although it doesn't comment on her parents' backgrounds.
http://www.sheilae.com/ab...story.html

here is a bio that does confirm what I said, though I never heard of this site before (I dont know where exactly I learned this.... I have been a fan of Sheila's for years so I just have read lots of stuff)

http://biography.jrank.or...ducer.html

Wikipedia also confirms it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheila_E.

I also remember that after Hurricane Katrina, Sheila had posted on her site how she had many family members in Louisana who were affected by the devastation and were left without their homes or IDs etc and how they were trying to help them.

I would assume this was on her mother's side (i.e. Creole from Louisana/New Orleans but I"m not sure.

Anyway, whatever her background she and her family are very beautiful people! Both inside and out! smile
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Reply #37 posted 06/17/07 8:53pm

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prodigalfan said:

SCNDLS said:



Well, Mediatakeout isn't the most reliable source. I'm not saying Peter Michael isn't her father but the details may be wrong. Like them saying Peter Michael is Latino and African American. Is "Latino" a race??? Aren't both of his parents Puerto Rican??? Now it's obvious that Sheila's mother and perhaps her father are of African descent, but that's not "African American." And as we've discussed in other threads Black Latinos are very common. So they may be wrong about Nicole's mother especially since there are no pics to look at. shrug
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I haven't seen pics of Sheila E. I thought she was Puerto Rican/spanish descent, but wasn't her dad at Woodstock with Santana playing percusssions? If so, I can believe that he had some African mix. But you are right, African American is a Black person from America. And Oh Gosh! Here is another sticking my foot in it...
If you are Black and living in South America.... are you an "African American"?
South America is still in the Americas... right.

stirthepot


giggle Well, I've never thought of that. As I've mentioned before in other threads, people from other countries don't define/identify themselves the way Americans do. They don't do the whole African-American, Italian-American, Irish-American categorization that's done here in the US. Latinos are more nationalistic and identify primarily with their country. Why do you think Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, Jamaicans and Panamanians wink display their flags EVERYWHERE? lol

Besides, South America is a continent while "America"/US is a country. So if you wanted to "classify" a black person from South America you'd probably refer to them by their country such as Afro-Brazilian, Afro-Columbian, Afro-Cuban, etc.
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Reply #38 posted 06/18/07 12:22am

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SCNDLS said:

bellanoche said:



I saw the side by side pics of Pete and Nicole on mediatakeout too. They said that her mother was African American. I did not know that.


Well, Mediatakeout isn't the most reliable source. I'm not saying Peter Michael isn't her father but the details may be wrong. Like them saying Peter Michael is Latino and African American. Is "Latino" a race??? Aren't both of his parents Puerto Rican??? Now it's obvious that Sheila's mother and perhaps her father are of African descent, but that's not "African American." And as we've discussed in other threads Black Latinos are very common. So they may be wrong about Nicole's mother especially since there are no pics to look at. shrug
[Edited 6/17/07 10:06am]


Peter Michael and Sheila's mother is African-American and their father is Mexican. You're right "Latino" is not a race, but people are trying to make it so
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Reply #39 posted 06/18/07 3:43am

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SCNDLS said:



Well, Mediatakeout isn't the most reliable source. I'm not saying Peter Michael isn't her father but the details may be wrong. Like them saying Peter Michael is Latino and African American. Is "Latino" a race??? Aren't both of his parents Puerto Rican??? Now it's obvious that Sheila's mother and perhaps her father are of African descent, but that's not "African American." And as we've discussed in other threads Black Latinos are very common. So they may be wrong about Nicole's mother especially since there are no pics to look at. shrug
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Peter Michael and Sheila's mother is African-American and their father is Mexican. You're right "Latino" is not a race, but people are trying to make it so


I'm surprised people hadn't already known about her parents, Jan- Sheila's only broken down her ethnic backround a million times over the last 25 years...oh well must be getting old...remembering to many things from the old days, I guess
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Reply #40 posted 06/18/07 4:53am

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what i cant believe is that ya'll arguing over this shit lol
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Reply #41 posted 06/18/07 5:01am

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what i cant believe is that ya'll arguing over this shit lol


Um, no one's arguing, it's a discussion. rolleyes I've been following Sheila and her career since 1984 and I've never heard her "explain" her heritage so I didn't know, and obviously, neither did others. The only thing I'd heard was other people refer to her parents as Puerto Rican so I always assumed that was true.
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Reply #42 posted 06/18/07 11:04am

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I've never heard Sheila breakdown her heritage either.
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Reply #43 posted 06/18/07 11:16am

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My question is does she speak Spanish? I never really heard her speak in Spanish before.
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Reply #44 posted 06/18/07 2:16pm

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Nicole calls Brenda and Lionel her mom and dad because her real parents didn't want her and gave her away and I agree, to heck with the other dead beats!
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Reply #45 posted 06/18/07 2:59pm

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SCNDLS said:

bellanoche said:



I saw the side by side pics of Pete and Nicole on mediatakeout too. They said that her mother was African American. I did not know that.


Well, Mediatakeout isn't the most reliable source. I'm not saying Peter Michael isn't her father but the details may be wrong. Like them saying Peter Michael is Latino and African American. Is "Latino" a race??? Aren't both of his parents Puerto Rican??? Now it's obvious that Sheila's mother and perhaps her father are of African descent, but that's not "African American." And as we've discussed in other threads Black Latinos are very common. So they may be wrong about Nicole's mother especially since there are no pics to look at. shrug
[Edited 6/17/07 10:06am]


You can never tell a person race by looking at a pic...look at Wentworth Miller. But yes, I cannot recall the source, but Sheila E stated that her father is Mexican and her mother is Creole.
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Reply #46 posted 06/18/07 3:32pm

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bellanoche said:

Angelic1302 said:



I was trying to get the link to support my statement but it was taken down b/c no one cared too much...


I saw the side by side pics of Pete and Nicole on mediatakeout too. They said that her mother was African American. I did not know that.

Wait.. here is the link

http://www.mediatakeout.c...ather.html


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Thanks Bellanoche...you saved me alot of trouble...lol :hugs:
Um... let me warm up my vocals
Me ME ME ME ME...U U U U U!
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Reply #47 posted 06/18/07 3:38pm

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preciosa863 said:

SCNDLS said:



Well, Mediatakeout isn't the most reliable source. I'm not saying Peter Michael isn't her father but the details may be wrong. Like them saying Peter Michael is Latino and African American. Is "Latino" a race??? Aren't both of his parents Puerto Rican??? Now it's obvious that Sheila's mother and perhaps her father are of African descent, but that's not "African American." And as we've discussed in other threads Black Latinos are very common. So they may be wrong about Nicole's mother especially since there are no pics to look at. shrug
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You can never tell a person race by looking at a pic...look at Wentworth Miller. But yes, I cannot recall the source, but Sheila E stated that her father is Mexican and her mother is Creole.
[Edited 6/18/07 15:05pm]


Ummm, I know that. But I said that because this is the first time anyone's ever said her mother was Black. I think the general assumption was that she was white, and if I'm not mistaken I believe I've heard Nicole refer to herself as biracial saying that she was half white. And again, Mediatakeout is NOT a reliable source is all I'm saying.
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Reply #48 posted 06/18/07 11:52pm

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SCNDLS said:

IAintTheOne said:

what i cant believe is that ya'll arguing over this shit lol


Um, no one's arguing, it's a discussion. rolleyes I've been following Sheila and her career since 1984 and I've never heard her "explain" her heritage so I didn't know, and obviously, neither did others. The only thing I'd heard was other people refer to her parents as Puerto Rican so I always assumed that was true.


Same here.
I didn't know her mom was Black.
shrug I always thought Sheila was 100% Puerto Rican (of Spanish descent).
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Reply #49 posted 06/19/07 2:02am

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SCNDLS said:



Um, no one's arguing, it's a discussion. rolleyes I've been following Sheila and her career since 1984 and I've never heard her "explain" her heritage so I didn't know, and obviously, neither did others. The only thing I'd heard was other people refer to her parents as Puerto Rican so I always assumed that was true.


Same here.
I didn't know her mom was Black.
shrug I always thought Sheila was 100% Puerto Rican (of Spanish descent).


why? the woman has said a million times over the last 25 years her dad is mexican and her mom is a louisiana creole. all y'all had to do was start with her trade/industry intervews (where she talks about the cultural influences on her music) or those old interviews in Black Beat and Right On! lol oh Lawd, I#m really showing my age up in here today lol lol lol
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Reply #50 posted 06/19/07 4:05am

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Ottensen said:

prodigalfan said:



Same here.
I didn't know her mom was Black.
shrug I always thought Sheila was 100% Puerto Rican (of Spanish descent).


why? the woman has said a million times over the last 25 years her dad is mexican and her mom is a louisiana creole. all y'all had to do was start with her trade/industry intervews (where she talks about the cultural influences on her music) or those old interviews in Black Beat and Right On! lol oh Lawd, I#m really showing my age up in here today lol lol lol

For me, I never cared enough about her background to search for past interviews. I just never read or heard her mention anything about what she was.
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Reply #51 posted 06/19/07 4:11am

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SCNDLS said:



Um, no one's arguing, it's a discussion. rolleyes I've been following Sheila and her career since 1984 and I've never heard her "explain" her heritage so I didn't know, and obviously, neither did others. The only thing I'd heard was other people refer to her parents as Puerto Rican so I always assumed that was true.


Same here.
I didn't know her mom was Black.
shrug I always thought Sheila was 100% Puerto Rican (of Spanish descent).


I knew Sheila and her siblings were part Black, but I just figured her mother and father were Puerto Ricans with African descent like most of them are. Alright, Prodigal you know we been schoolin' ya on the whole race/ethnicity/nationality thang so by now you know Puerto Rican is not a race it's a nationality therefore people from Puerto Rico come in all colors. And many have African ancestry because it was a stop along the slave trade route coming to the US so the island was heavily populated with Africans. So 100% Puerto Rican can still be 100% Black depending on who your parents are. nod hug

But I know what you mean though cuz Sheila does "look" Puerto Rican but that could be due to the mix of Mexican and Black. And like I said I'd never heard her discuss her heritage and since Puerto Rico has such a rich tradition of percussionists and timbaleros and I'd heard that the late great Tito Puente was her godfather (a Puerto Rican) it seemed a natural to me that Pete, Sheila's father was Puerto Rican too. shrug
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Reply #52 posted 06/19/07 5:55am

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SCNDLS said:

prodigalfan said:



Same here.
I didn't know her mom was Black.
shrug I always thought Sheila was 100% Puerto Rican (of Spanish descent).


I knew Sheila and her siblings were part Black, but I just figured her mother and father were Puerto Ricans with African descent like most of them are. Alright, Prodigal you know we been schoolin' ya on the whole race/ethnicity/nationality thang so by now you know Puerto Rican is not a race it's a nationality therefore people from Puerto Rico come in all colors. And many have African ancestry because it was a stop along the slave trade route coming to the US so the island was heavily populated with Africans. So 100% Puerto Rican can still be 100% Black depending on who your parents are. nod hug

But I know what you mean though cuz Sheila does "look" Puerto Rican but that could be due to the mix of Mexican and Black. And like I said I'd never heard her discuss her heritage and since Puerto Rico has such a rich tradition of percussionists and timbaleros and I'd heard that the late great Tito Puente was her godfather (a Puerto Rican) it seemed a natural to me that Pete, Sheila's father was Puerto Rican too. shrug
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I know I have been educated... that is why I specifically put those words (in red).... "of spanish descent"...

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Reply #53 posted 06/19/07 6:48am

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Sheila is half hispanic and half creole and yes she speaks a litle bit of spanish I've heard her speak few words and she also sings in spanish there is a song in the Knockout cd call Mi casa and she sings in espanol..I never though she looked Puerto Rican.. Her brother is a HUNK !!!! Sheila and Peter look like the father and so Nicole Richie... Sheila exotic looks comes the mixture fo creole and spanish descendant.....Viva la raza>>>
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Reply #54 posted 06/19/07 7:39am

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SCNDLS said:



I knew Sheila and her siblings were part Black, but I just figured her mother and father were Puerto Ricans with African descent like most of them are. Alright, Prodigal you know we been schoolin' ya on the whole race/ethnicity/nationality thang so by now you know Puerto Rican is not a race it's a nationality therefore people from Puerto Rico come in all colors. And many have African ancestry because it was a stop along the slave trade route coming to the US so the island was heavily populated with Africans. So 100% Puerto Rican can still be 100% Black depending on who your parents are. nod hug

But I know what you mean though cuz Sheila does "look" Puerto Rican but that could be due to the mix of Mexican and Black. And like I said I'd never heard her discuss her heritage and since Puerto Rico has such a rich tradition of percussionists and timbaleros and I'd heard that the late great Tito Puente was her godfather (a Puerto Rican) it seemed a natural to me that Pete, Sheila's father was Puerto Rican too. shrug
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I know I have been educated... that is why I specifically put those words (in red).... "of spanish descent"...

razz hug


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Reply #55 posted 06/19/07 8:38am

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preciosa863 said:



You can never tell a person race by looking at a pic...look at Wentworth Miller. But yes, I cannot recall the source, but Sheila E stated that her father is Mexican and her mother is Creole.
[Edited 6/18/07 15:05pm]


Ummm, I know that. But I said that because this is the first time anyone's ever said her mother was Black. I think the general assumption was that she was white, and if I'm not mistaken I believe I've heard Nicole refer to herself as biracial saying that she was half white. And again, Mediatakeout is NOT a reliable source is all I'm saying.


I hope that you don't think that I was being confrontational, I was just speaking in a matter of factly way..
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Reply #56 posted 06/19/07 12:49pm

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I've heard nicole in a number of interviews refer to herself as Black.

and one day ppl will understand that "latino" isn't a race.
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Reply #57 posted 06/19/07 1:27pm

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SCNDLS said:



Ummm, I know that. But I said that because this is the first time anyone's ever said her mother was Black. I think the general assumption was that she was white, and if I'm not mistaken I believe I've heard Nicole refer to herself as biracial saying that she was half white. And again, Mediatakeout is NOT a reliable source is all I'm saying.


I hope that you don't think that I was being confrontational, I was just speaking in a matter of factly way..
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No not at all, just wanted to clarify what I meant. hug
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Reply #58 posted 06/19/07 1:28pm

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I've heard nicole in a number of interviews refer to herself as Black.
and one day ppl will understand that "latino" isn't a race.
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Now that you mention it, you're right I recall her saying this, but I also remember Nicole somewhere saying that she was biracial and her mother was white. But maybe that was Mariah Carey. eek wink
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Reply #59 posted 06/19/07 2:36pm

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preciosa863 said:



I hope that you don't think that I was being confrontational, I was just speaking in a matter of factly way..
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No not at all, just wanted to clarify what I meant. hug

hug thank you!!
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