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Thread started 03/23/07 9:11am

vinx98

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Poor Tamar

Poor Tamar.

Imagine how excited she was when she got the call telling her that she would not only sing with the great man, but she would be appearing on one of his legendary albums?? This must have been one of the greatest moments of her life. The opportunity to stand out of the wilderness and record with one of the world´s greatest artists really presented a great chance for her to showcase her talents to the world, just like CAT, SHEILA E and others did. But what we get is a couple of DRAB songs on 3121 (most of us would agree that the Tamar songs on 3121 are the worst ones no?). And now, no one really cares about her. In fact she is much maligned, because we dont really want to hear HER songs on a Prince record, so we fastforward every time until we hear the real thing.

Poor Tamar

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Reply #1 posted 03/23/07 9:41am

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vinx98 said:

Poor Tamar.

Imagine how excited she was when she got the call telling her that she would not only sing with the great man, but she would be appearing on one of his legendary albums?? This must have been one of the greatest moments of her life. The opportunity to stand out of the wilderness and record with one of the world´s greatest artists really presented a great chance for her to showcase her talents to the world, just like CAT, SHEILA E and others did. But what we get is a couple of DRAB songs on 3121 (most of us would agree that the Tamar songs on 3121 are the worst ones no?). And now, no one really cares about her. In fact she is much maligned, because we dont really want to hear HER songs on a Prince record, so we fastforward every time until we hear the real thing.

Poor Tamar

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I thinks she did a great job on 3121. Her vocals are different and new. She'll get her turn.
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Reply #2 posted 03/23/07 9:45am

sexxydancer

I'd trade places with her,only 2 have had the Prince xperience!
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Reply #3 posted 03/23/07 9:54am

IDEJJD

I think Tamar is gonna be fine, don't feel sorry for her !!

She's seems pretty happy to me !!
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Reply #4 posted 03/23/07 9:56am

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I think Tamar is gonna be fine, don't feel sorry for her !!

She's seems pretty happy to me !!
Do you know if her album relase soon?
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Reply #5 posted 03/23/07 9:57am

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IDEJJD said:

I think Tamar is gonna be fine, don't feel sorry for her !!

She's seems pretty happy to me !!


I do to. Things don't happen overnite. Besides she's got the Man himself
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Reply #6 posted 03/23/07 10:00am

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Actually I think she's a great singer especially compared to the no-talent hacks on the radio today. And out of curiousity did you get a chance to see her live? I thoroughly enjoyed her live performance and thought she was incredibly sweet and talented when she interacted with us at the soundchecks in Vegas last year. Besides, Beautiful, Loved and Blessed is my second favorite song on 3121 after Black Sweat. So I think it's quite a stretch to say

we dont really want to hear HER songs on a Prince record, so we fastforward every time


So kindly speak for yourself. . .

Besides, most Prince fans are going to hard on anyone new that takes attention away from Prince. I think people just didn't give her a chance and have been kinda mean and unfair towards Tamar. I didn't have a problem with her, (except the shows in Vegas which were too much Tamar and not enough Prince but whatever, still a good show) and appreciated him actively trying to promote new talent.
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SCNDLS said:

Actually I think she's a great singer especially compared to the no-talent hacks on the radio today. And out of curiousity did you get a chance to see her live? I thoroughly enjoyed her live performance and thought she was incredibly sweet and talented when she interacted with us at the soundchecks in Vegas last year. Besides, Beautiful, Loved and Blessed is my second favorite song on 3121 after Black Sweat. So I think it's quite a stretch to say

we dont really want to hear HER songs on a Prince record, so we fastforward every time


So kindly speak for yourself. . .

Besides, most Prince fans are going to hard on anyone new that takes attention away from Prince. I think people just didn't give her a chance and have been kinda mean and unfair towards Tamar. I didn't have a problem with her, (except the shows in Vegas which were too much Tamar and not enough Prince but whatever, still a good show) and appreciated him actively trying to promote new talent.


I agree. We didn't really get a chance to hear Tamar since her CD was not released and we don't know what was on it. I definitely enjoyed her when she was here in DC.
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Reply #8 posted 03/23/07 10:04am

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Poor Tamar? Please!

Girlfriend is going to do alright for herself, just you wait and see. She's got the talent. She's just got to put in the work! Her time to shine in her own right will occur and we'll all be saying, "Remember when Tamar was Prince's protege...my how she's grown!" wink
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Reply #9 posted 03/23/07 10:14am

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SexyBeautifulOne said:

Poor Tamar? Please!

Girlfriend is going to do alright for herself, just you wait and see. She's got the talent. She's just got to put in the work! Her time to shine in her own right will occur and we'll all be saying, "Remember when Tamar was Prince's protege...my how she's grown!" wink




Yeah, Im sure she´ll join the "heights" of Apollonia 6 and Ingrid Chavez, or how about Nona Gaye and Jill Jones - all big stars now! (sarcasm). I can only say that Sheila E sort of made it out of that list. But he generally loves them, works with them, promotes them and when he leaves them - they disappear.

This interview sounds familiar.. (I remember interviews with Tony M and Paul Peterson beling simliar)

http://www.billboard.com/...1003549832

Apollonia 6
Jerome Benton
Atlanta Bliss
Brownmark
Ingrid Chavez
Morris Day
Dez Dickerson
Candy Dulfer
Sheila E.
Sheena Easton
Carmen Electra
The Family (band)
Doctor Fink
Flyte Tyme (band)
Rosie Gaines
Mayte Garcia
Nona Gaye
Cat Glover
Jesse Johnson (musician)
Jill Jones
Eric Leeds
Tony M.
Madhouse (band)
Martika
Mazarati
Susannah Melvoin
Paul Peterson
The Revolution (band)
Levi Seacer, Jr.
Támar
The Time (band)
Vanity 6
Miko Weaver
Bobby Z.
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vinx98 said:

SexyBeautifulOne said:

Poor Tamar? Please!

Girlfriend is going to do alright for herself, just you wait and see. She's got the talent. She's just got to put in the work! Her time to shine in her own right will occur and we'll all be saying, "Remember when Tamar was Prince's protege...my how she's grown!" wink




Yeah, Im sure she´ll join the "heights" of Apollonia 6 and Ingrid Chavez, or how about Nona Gaye and Jill Jones - all big stars now! (sarcasm). I can only say that Sheila E sort of made it out of that list. But he generally loves them, works with them, promotes them and when he leaves them - they disappear.

This interview sounds familiar.. (I remember interviews with Tony M and Paul Peterson beling simliar)

http://www.billboard.com/...1003549832

Apollonia 6
Jerome Benton
Atlanta Bliss
Brownmark
Ingrid Chavez
Morris Day
Dez Dickerson
Candy Dulfer
Sheila E.
Sheena Easton
Carmen Electra
The Family (band)
Doctor Fink
Flyte Tyme (band)
Rosie Gaines
Mayte Garcia
Nona Gaye
Cat Glover
Jesse Johnson (musician)
Jill Jones
Eric Leeds
Tony M.
Madhouse (band)
Martika
Mazarati
Susannah Melvoin
Paul Peterson
The Revolution (band)
Levi Seacer, Jr.
Támar
The Time (band)
Vanity 6
Miko Weaver
Bobby Z.


They only disapear because they chose to.
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Reply #11 posted 03/23/07 10:28am

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I disagree, BL&B is not one of the worst songs on 3121.
It did get nominated for a grammy...didnt it?
It is also a beautiful song in my opinion.
Also, I think Tamar will have hew own success apart from P
as she can actually sing....whereas some of P's other women
looked good, but could not sing well. (appolonia.vanity.ingrid chavez)
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Reply #12 posted 03/23/07 10:32am

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thepope2the9s said:

I disagree, BL&B is not one of the worst songs on 3121.
It did get nominated for a grammy...didnt it?
It is also a beautiful song in my opinion.
Also, I think Tamar will have hew own success apart from P
as she can actually sing....whereas some of P's other women
looked good, but could not sing well. (appolonia.vanity.ingrid chavez)


Rosie Gains could sing though...
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Reply #13 posted 03/23/07 10:36am

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SexyBeautifulOne said:

Poor Tamar? Please!

Girlfriend is going to do alright for herself, just you wait and see. She's got the talent. She's just got to put in the work! Her time to shine in her own right will occur and we'll all be saying, "Remember when Tamar was Prince's protege...my how she's grown!" wink


I agree, she gon be awright. . . but she's actually been at it since she was a kid singing in Girls Tyme, the precursor to Destiny's Child. I think she left to pursue a solo career before they became DC and has since had various record deals that didn't pan out, even before her stint with Prince. I bet her and her momma couldn't deal with Matthew's overbearing control and agenda to make Beyonce the focal point at all costs. But Tamar is no slouch, cuz she got a BS in Music from USC so at least she did something with herself.

I'm not quite sure why it's taken her so long to catch on when she's been on the inside for awhile, makes me think that record companies don't know what to do with a real "vocalist" that may not fit the stereotypical R&B diva-in-training mold that seems to be a prerequisite for EVERYBODY nowadays. Individuality is not encouraged in the industry much, especially among young female artists.
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Reply #14 posted 03/23/07 10:37am

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vinx98 said:

thepope2the9s said:

I disagree, BL&B is not one of the worst songs on 3121.
It did get nominated for a grammy...didnt it?
It is also a beautiful song in my opinion.
Also, I think Tamar will have hew own success apart from P
as she can actually sing....whereas some of P's other women
looked good, but could not sing well. (appolonia.vanity.ingrid chavez)


Rosie Gains could sing though...


yeah, but she is fat! lol
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thepope2the9s said:

vinx98 said:



Rosie Gains could sing though...


yeah, but she is fat! lol


What does being fat have to do with it. B nice.
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Reply #16 posted 03/23/07 10:40am

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trc1 said:

vinx98 said:

Poor Tamar.

Imagine how excited she was when she got the call telling her that she would not only sing with the great man, but she would be appearing on one of his legendary albums?? This must have been one of the greatest moments of her life. The opportunity to stand out of the wilderness and record with one of the world´s greatest artists really presented a great chance for her to showcase her talents to the world, just like CAT, SHEILA E and others did. But what we get is a couple of DRAB songs on 3121 (most of us would agree that the Tamar songs on 3121 are the worst ones no?). And now, no one really cares about her. In fact she is much maligned, because we dont really want to hear HER songs on a Prince record, so we fastforward every time until we hear the real thing.

Poor Tamar

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I thinks she did a great job on 3121. Her vocals are different and new.


I completely agree. Everyone's so hard on 'Beautiful, Loved & Blessed', sure I don't like Prince resigning to a duet, but who better to help him out? That song's one of my favorites. Throughout the album, she's provided wonderful vocals in Love and the above I mentioned. I sing along with her on "Love" so I can hear Prince's voice. It's one of the songs on 3121 that stands out above the rest.

I'm not sure if I'd get Tamar's CD, if it ever comes out or if its already already, because she's not Prince, but I'm definitely a fan. She's helped Prince out so much and he's done the same for her. It's kinda sweet.
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Reply #17 posted 03/23/07 10:41am

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trc1 said:

thepope2the9s said:



yeah, but she is fat! lol


What does being fat have to do with it. B nice.


Jus kidding...Rosie was a singer P hired to compliment him...and it aint
my fault society sees fat folks differently than thin ones....for the record
Im on the heavy side myself.
Fact is, Tamar has talent and she is young...she needs to get a good break...
Rosie is one singer that probably can sing just as well...but it didnt happen
for her.....Tamar has time...she needs the right producer,the right timing....
I wish her well.
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Reply #18 posted 03/23/07 10:46am

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thepope2the9s said:

trc1 said:



What does being fat have to do with it. B nice.


Jus kidding...Rosie was a singer P hired to compliment him...and it aint
my fault society sees fat folks differently than thin ones....for the record
Im on the heavy side myself.
Fact is, Tamar has talent and she is young...she needs to get a good break...
Rosie is one singer that probably can sing just as well...but it didnt happen
for her.....Tamar has time...she needs the right producer,the right timing....
I wish her well.


Like I said, her cd didn't get released so we don't know where her career would have gone. Hopefully, those tracks will get released in the near future. P is the right producer. Just wrong timing on the release.
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Reply #19 posted 03/23/07 10:53am

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sexxydancer said:

I'd trade places with her,only 2 have had the Prince xperience!


It doesn't sound like it was a great experience to me.

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Reply #20 posted 03/23/07 10:54am

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vinx98 said:

SexyBeautifulOne said:

Poor Tamar? Please!

Girlfriend is going to do alright for herself, just you wait and see. She's got the talent. She's just got to put in the work! Her time to shine in her own right will occur and we'll all be saying, "Remember when Tamar was Prince's protege...my how she's grown!" wink




Yeah, Im sure she´ll join the "heights" of Apollonia 6 and Ingrid Chavez, or how about Nona Gaye and Jill Jones - all big stars now! (sarcasm). I can only say that Sheila E sort of made it out of that list. But he generally loves them, works with them, promotes them and when he leaves them - they disappear.

This interview sounds familiar.. (I remember interviews with Tony M and Paul Peterson beling simliar)

http://www.billboard.com/...1003549832

Apollonia 6
Jerome Benton
Atlanta Bliss
Brownmark
Ingrid Chavez
Morris Day
Dez Dickerson
Candy Dulfer
Sheila E.
Sheena Easton
Carmen Electra
The Family (band)
Doctor Fink
Flyte Tyme (band)
Rosie Gaines
Mayte Garcia
Nona Gaye
Cat Glover
Jesse Johnson (musician)
Jill Jones
Eric Leeds
Tony M.
Madhouse (band)
Martika
Mazarati
Susannah Melvoin
Paul Peterson
The Revolution (band)
Levi Seacer, Jr.
Támar
The Time (band)
Vanity 6
Miko Weaver
Bobby Z.


Yeah most of those people have nothing but GREAT things to say about their experience rolleyes

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Reply #21 posted 03/23/07 11:06am

IDEJJD

vinx98 said:

SexyBeautifulOne said:

Poor Tamar? Please!

Girlfriend is going to do alright for herself, just you wait and see. She's got the talent. She's just got to put in the work! Her time to shine in her own right will occur and we'll all be saying, "Remember when Tamar was Prince's protege...my how she's grown!" wink




Yeah, Im sure she´ll join the "heights" of Apollonia 6 and Ingrid Chavez, or how about Nona Gaye and Jill Jones - all big stars now! (sarcasm). I can only say that Sheila E sort of made it out of that list. But he generally loves them, works with them, promotes them and when he leaves them - they disappear.

This interview sounds familiar.. (I remember interviews with Tony M and Paul Peterson beling simliar)

http://www.billboard.com/...1003549832

Apollonia 6
Jerome Benton
Atlanta Bliss
Brownmark
Ingrid Chavez
Morris Day
Dez Dickerson
Candy Dulfer
Sheila E.
Sheena Easton
Carmen Electra
The Family (band)
Doctor Fink
Flyte Tyme (band)
Rosie Gaines
Mayte Garcia
Nona Gaye
Cat Glover
Jesse Johnson (musician)
Jill Jones
Eric Leeds
Tony M.
Madhouse (band)
Martika
Mazarati
Susannah Melvoin
Paul Peterson
The Revolution (band)
Levi Seacer, Jr.
Támar
The Time (band)
Vanity 6
Miko Weaver
Bobby Z.



now...give me an artist that has helped as many people as Prince has? tell me an artist that has personally set as many people up for a "chance" as Prince has? and tell me how many people on this list have you talked to personally about what they think about Prince? I'm not mad, even though this post sounds like it..but, I think he's done plenty of good for his Proteges. In fact, when Prince was honored by the NAACP, didn't he bring Sheila and Morris and Jerome and Tamar? I just think sometimes he gets a bad rap on his treatment of proteges.
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Reply #22 posted 03/23/07 11:13am

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I just think that the music Tamar wants to do and the ones Prince wanted to produce for her were two different things. Prince's music is not radio friendly but it had great arrangements and the vocals were clear. Tamar's new music with Kwame is definately more hip and radio friendly but sounds like everything other forgettable reusable sampled music that plays on the radio now. In the end Tamar has to do what she wants and I hope she is happy. I'm still cheering for her. Seeing her live I know how incredibly talented she is.
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IDEJJD said:

vinx98 said:





Yeah, Im sure she´ll join the "heights" of Apollonia 6 and Ingrid Chavez, or how about Nona Gaye and Jill Jones - all big stars now! (sarcasm). I can only say that Sheila E sort of made it out of that list. But he generally loves them, works with them, promotes them and when he leaves them - they disappear.

This interview sounds familiar.. (I remember interviews with Tony M and Paul Peterson beling simliar)

http://www.billboard.com/...1003549832

Apollonia 6
Jerome Benton
Atlanta Bliss
Brownmark
Ingrid Chavez
Morris Day
Dez Dickerson
Candy Dulfer
Sheila E.
Sheena Easton
Carmen Electra
The Family (band)
Doctor Fink
Flyte Tyme (band)
Rosie Gaines
Mayte Garcia
Nona Gaye
Cat Glover
Jesse Johnson (musician)
Jill Jones
Eric Leeds
Tony M.
Madhouse (band)
Martika
Mazarati
Susannah Melvoin
Paul Peterson
The Revolution (band)
Levi Seacer, Jr.
Támar
The Time (band)
Vanity 6
Miko Weaver
Bobby Z.



now...give me an artist that has helped as many people as Prince has? tell me an artist that has personally set as many people up for a "chance" as Prince has? and tell me how many people on this list have you talked to personally about what they think about Prince? I'm not mad, even though this post sounds like it..but, I think he's done plenty of good for his Proteges. In fact, when Prince was honored by the NAACP, didn't he bring Sheila and Morris and Jerome and Tamar? I just think sometimes he gets a bad rap on his treatment of proteges.
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Let me see. Not many. And I agree, he gets a bad rap about the Pro's. I don't think it's P, I think it's them.
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Reply #24 posted 03/23/07 11:20am

IDEJJD

trc1 said:

IDEJJD said:




now...give me an artist that has helped as many people as Prince has? tell me an artist that has personally set as many people up for a "chance" as Prince has? and tell me how many people on this list have you talked to personally about what they think about Prince? I'm not mad, even though this post sounds like it..but, I think he's done plenty of good for his Proteges. In fact, when Prince was honored by the NAACP, didn't he bring Sheila and Morris and Jerome and Tamar? I just think sometimes he gets a bad rap on his treatment of proteges.
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Let me see. Not many. And I agree, he gets a bad rap about the Pro's. I don't think it's P, I think it's them.



Just the fact that we can have a "protege" collection puts Prince way ahead of most artists..just my opinion...
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IDEJJD said:

trc1 said:



Let me see. Not many. And I agree, he gets a bad rap about the Pro's. I don't think it's P, I think it's them.



Just the fact that we can have a "protege" collection puts Prince way ahead of most artists..just my opinion...


you make a very good point. Sure, I usually think of Prince above all others, but I can't ignore the fact that his proteges have helped him a lot in the past.

Like Dez providing background vocals for Little Red Corvette (one of my fav. Prince songs), he made it really great to listen.
And w/o the Revolution, 1999 would just sound like Manic Monday (or should it really be the other way around?)
Rosie did wonderfully in Diamonds & Pearls, and Tamar's really helped in the 3121 album.

And let's not forget Lisa & Wendy...
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DreamyPopRoyalty said:

IDEJJD said:




Just the fact that we can have a "protege" collection puts Prince way ahead of most artists..just my opinion...


you make a very good point. Sure, I usually think of Prince above all others, but I can't ignore the fact that his proteges have helped him a lot in the past.

Like Dez providing background vocals for Little Red Corvette (one of my fav. Prince songs), he made it really great to listen.
And w/o the Revolution, 1999 would just sound like Manic Monday (or should it really be the other way around?)
Rosie did wonderfully in Diamonds & Pearls, and Tamar's really helped in the 3121 album.

And let's not forget Lisa & Wendy...


I think Rosie, Lisa & Wendy contributed more. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Sheila E. too.
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trc1 said:

DreamyPopRoyalty said:



you make a very good point. Sure, I usually think of Prince above all others, but I can't ignore the fact that his proteges have helped him a lot in the past.

Like Dez providing background vocals for Little Red Corvette (one of my fav. Prince songs), he made it really great to listen.
And w/o the Revolution, 1999 would just sound like Manic Monday (or should it really be the other way around?)
Rosie did wonderfully in Diamonds & Pearls, and Tamar's really helped in the 3121 album.

And let's not forget Lisa & Wendy...


I think Rosie, Lisa & Wendy contributed more. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Sheila E. too.


I've been crazy about Little Red Corvette from first listen, so I could't help bringing that up. But you're right, the three you mentioned have contributed more.

And you can't forget Sheila E, she's great at what she does. (Actually, at the GMA concert, I think I thought Tamar was Sheila E. when Prince had her sing the 2nd song).
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Reply #29 posted 03/23/07 12:05pm

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oh there is no doubt, the proteges have given plenty back to Prince as well..
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