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PrintableTo those dissing Prince for not being there for Mayte after the loss of their child, there are so many possibilities as to why he could not be there for her. One is that Prince very likely does throw himself into his music in order to express emotions that he does not feel comfortable with expressing verbally to another. Another is the fact that the child had an inherited genetic disorder, and IF it was discovered that the defective gene came from the father, you know it's possible that Prince blamed himself for the loss of the child and perhaps felt that if he was around Mayte during this time that he would look into her eyes and see the blame towards him as well. It's hard enough to blame yourself for the loss of a child, but even harder when you feel that blame might come from the one you love. Those are only two possibilities.
Regarding their relationship, Prince is, has been, and always will be a very private person. Regarding him not allowing Mayte to call him, while I wouldn't be able to accept that in my relationship, I can sort of understand why Prince was that way, or is that way. Prince once commented that he has music running through his mind all the time, that he even dreams about music. As a writer, I know that if I am in the middle of writing something and am interrupted by either the telephone, or my husband, or my children, I can lose the vein of what I was writing and it takes me awhile to be able to get back to it. Prince has no set schedule as to when he composes his pieces of art, and never knows when the moment will hit him to compose something new. Mayte might have innocently called about something, just to say "I love you", and Prince may have been in the middle of a composition, and even though he might have appreciated her words and the sentiment, he might have lost the feel or the vibe of what he was composing at that time, and a masterpiece would be lost. I mean even the bathrooms at Paisley Park were wired to record at his command, in case inspiration hit while he was in the shower or something. So it's not outside the realm of possibility that the reason he asked Mayte to not call him, to wait until he called her, was because he himself never knew when inspiration was going to hit and he would be in the middle of composing a new song. It was safer to wait until he called, because it wouldn't be during the birth of a new song that way. Just my .02. | |
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LittleRedCorvette said: Stymie said: 1. Maybe one day he will but seriously, their relationship is none of our business. 2. No one can treat you any way you don't allow them to. 3. And? 4. "Victim" implies something done to someone against their will. 5. I can concede that but once again, if her story's true, what part did she play? Women do not allow men to beat them up, however the woman is manipulated into believing it is her fault that it occurred or are told over and over again that it won't happen again. In essence, they are brainwashed into believing they are at fault. Mayte commented in the interview that she was young and thought the relationship was supposed to be this way, and had no other way to judge how a relationship was supposed to be. Now it could be that Prince manipulated the situation and made her feel all relationships are like that, or it could just be that it was as she stated, she was young, inexperienced, and really had no way to judge how a relationship should be. | |
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Stymie said: LittleRedCorvette said: Women do not allow men to beat them up, however the woman is manipulated into believing it is her fault that it occurred or are told over and over again that it won't happen again. In essence, they are brainwashed into believing they are at fault. Mayte commented in the interview that she was young and thought the relationship was supposed to be this way, and had no other way to judge how a relationship was supposed to be. Now it could be that Prince manipulated the situation and made her feel all relationships are like that, or it could just be that it was as she stated, she was young, inexperienced, and really had no way to judge how a relationship should be. I take it you've never been in an abusive relationship? Well of course not, because you would get the hell out of there. Have you ever feared for your life? Do you do all that you can to prolong your life? Go to the doctor? Take medicine for illnesses if it's required? Eat fairly healthy? Exercise? Would you say a four year old child who is in the care of her father and is raped, but doesn't tell anyone and remains in the home is at fault? A woman in an abusive relationship does not stay because she enjoys being beaten. She is manipulated into believing it is her fault that she is being beaten. She also believes that if she leaves the husband or boyfriend or whoever will kill her or her kids. Men who abuse their wives often cut that wife off from contact with the outside world, from family, and from friends. He doesn't allow a phone in the house, even in case of emergency. He often moves the family around a lot, often from city to city or even to different states. He doesn't allow the wife to work, telling her he prefers her to remain home taking care of the house and kids. She has no income, no means of self-support. The husband may begin by putting her down on a daily basis, telling her she can't do anything right, telling her no one else would ever want her but him. The woman, because she loves her husband and doesn't understand where it all went wrong, often puts up with the verbal abuse, and may even begin to believe. This is his means of conditioning her for what comes next. One day he may get so angry with her that he hits her, just once. He is immediately remorseful. He tells her he is sorry, may even buy her an expensive piece of jewelry to make up for it. But he also begins the conditioning here as well by telling her, "Why do you do what you do to make me so angry! If you hadn't done what you did, I would never have hit you! Can't you see if you just do what I said, you wouldn't have gotten hit." So he begins training her to believe that it was her fault. She begins thinking "If I would have just cleaned the house the way he told me to instead of the way I do it all the time, it wouldn't have happened." Often times these women come from homes in which the father was abusive towards the mother, or there was alcoholism in the family which created an element of chaos and uncertainty, as well as an element of "keeping peace". Or the woman may have experienced abuse as a child, and already had elements of conditioning in place in which she accepts the blame for others actions, or believes she causes people to act in certain ways, or believes that she really isn't any good and she's lucky just to have this man. Also, once the cycle of abuse has begun in the household, the man/woman/whoever will maintain tight control. There is a high incidence of abusive individuals killing loved pets just to show the one he is controlling that if he can kill a pet that he loves so dearly and has never hurt before, he can kill her too or any children involved. It really is an issue of control Stymie, and though people often wonder why these women stay in abusive relationships and don't get out, it's because they don't see a way out. It's because they are conditioned just as POWs are conditioned to act in certain ways. To place the blame on these women for remaining in an abusive relationship is to ignore the years of conditioning these men put on these women, or even their families before. To place the blame on these women for remaining in these relationships is to ignore the very fear they feel for their lives and the lives of their children if they leave. There are many stories, too many, of women who finally did get up the courage to leave, and were murdered when they did so. Most women are murdered by their estranged abusive husbands or boyfriends, than are murdered by strangers or in any other situation. [Edited 12/29/06 8:38am] | |
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LittleRedCorvette said: Stymie said: Well, I resepctfully disagree. If someone puts their hands on you and you don't get the hell out, how are you not allowing someone to continue their bad behavior? Even if I had never ever been in a relationship, I would know what would make me happy and what would make me sad and not being able to talk to my man would make me sad. If you do whatever it takes to stay with someone at the sacrifice of yourself, it's your own damn fault.
I take it you've never been in an abusive relationship? Well of course not, because you would get the hell out of there. Have you ever feared for your life? Do you do all that you can to prolong your life? Go to the doctor? Take medicine for illnesses if it's required? Eat fairly healthy? Exercise? Would you say a four year old child who is in the care of her father and is raped, but doesn't tell anyone and remains in the home is at fault? A woman in an abusive relationship does not stay because she enjoys being beaten. She is manipulated into believing it is her fault that she is being beaten. She also believes that if she leaves the husband or boyfriend or whoever will kill her or her kids. Men who abuse their wives often cut that wife off from contact with the outside world, from family, and from friends. He doesn't allow a phone in the house, even in case of emergency. He often moves the family around a lot, often from city to city or even to different states. He doesn't allow the wife to work, telling her he prefers her to remain home taking care of the house and kids. She has no income, no means of self-support. The husband may begin by putting her down on a daily basis, telling her she can't do anything right, telling her no one else would ever want her but him. The woman, because she loves her husband and doesn't understand where it all went wrong, often puts up with the verbal abuse, and may even begin to believe. This is his means of conditioning her for what comes next. One day he may get so angry with her that he hits her, just once. He is immediately remorseful. He tells her he is sorry, may even buy her an expensive piece of jewelry to make up for it. But he also begins the conditioning here as well by telling her, "Why do you do what you do to make me so angry! If you hadn't done what you did, I would never have hit you! Can't you see if you just do what I said, you wouldn't have gotten hit." So he begins training her to believe that it was her fault. She begins thinking "If I would have just cleaned the house the way he told me to instead of the way I do it all the time, it wouldn't have happened." Often times these women come from homes in which the father was abusive towards the mother, or there was alcoholism in the family which created an element of chaos and uncertainty, as well as an element of "keeping peace". Or the woman may have experienced abuse as a child, and already had elements of conditioning in place in which she accepts the blame for others actions, or believes she causes people to act in certain ways, or believes that she really isn't any good and she's lucky just to have this man. Also, once the cycle of abuse has begun in the household, the man/woman/whoever will maintain tight control. There is a high incidence of abusive individuals killing loved pets just to show the one he is controlling that if he can kill a pet that he loves so dearly and has never hurt before, he can kill her too or any children involved. It really is an issue of control Stymie, and though people often wonder why these women stay in abusive relationships and don't get out, it's because they don't see a way out. It's because they are conditioned just as POWs are conditioned to act in certain ways. To place the blame on these women for remaining in an abusive relationship is to ignore the years of conditioning these men put on these women, or even their families before. To place the blame on these women for remaining in these relationships is to ignore the very fear they feel for their lives and the lives of their children if they leave. There are many stories, too many, of women who finally did get up the courage to leave, and were murdered when they did so. Most women are murdered by their estranged abusive husbands or boyfriends, than are murdered by strangers or in any other situation. [Edited 12/29/06 8:38am] Sexually abused as child, raped in front of her two sons, beaten in an abusive relationship that was also emotionally abusive and yes, I got the hell out of it. It is not impossible to do. Never ever did I say a child who abused was at fault. Where in the hell did you read that in my statement? Anywho, obviously Mayte was strong enough to get out of her situation and since this has taken a pretty bad turn with my input, I'll bow out. | |
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wonder505 said: wavesofbliss said: if even half of this stuff is true, prince is still terribly screwd up and needs help. *shakes head in pity*
i agree that both mayte and mani had to know what they were in for, but it seems like they both come from backgrounds where be controlled and mindless was how they were raised so it wouldn't have seemed unusual for them to experience this sorta thing in a marriage. it's still fucked up, imo.  i don't understand the part in red. why do you say that? sorry about the crappy grammar. what i meant was that, form what they have said about their backgrounds and what i understand about their backgrounds, they come from situations that did not encourage independant behavior in them. becoming a dance because your mom expected you to, being a military kid, things like that suggest to me that she was not encouraged to be "what she wanted to be etc." it is a bit difficult to explain, i'm sure if i were a professional i'd have a better vocab for it. as for mani - if she was half the prince fan that any of us are,she would have known his hisotyr of behavior with women. also, or course working w/him and seeing the weirdness in the marriage to mayte would have clued her in, no? Prince #MUSICIANICONLEGEND | |
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Stymie said: LittleRedCorvette said: I take it you've never been in an abusive relationship? Well of course not, because you would get the hell out of there. Have you ever feared for your life? Do you do all that you can to prolong your life? Go to the doctor? Take medicine for illnesses if it's required? Eat fairly healthy? Exercise? Would you say a four year old child who is in the care of her father and is raped, but doesn't tell anyone and remains in the home is at fault? A woman in an abusive relationship does not stay because she enjoys being beaten. She is manipulated into believing it is her fault that she is being beaten. She also believes that if she leaves the husband or boyfriend or whoever will kill her or her kids. Men who abuse their wives often cut that wife off from contact with the outside world, from family, and from friends. He doesn't allow a phone in the house, even in case of emergency. He often moves the family around a lot, often from city to city or even to different states. He doesn't allow the wife to work, telling her he prefers her to remain home taking care of the house and kids. She has no income, no means of self-support. The husband may begin by putting her down on a daily basis, telling her she can't do anything right, telling her no one else would ever want her but him. The woman, because she loves her husband and doesn't understand where it all went wrong, often puts up with the verbal abuse, and may even begin to believe. This is his means of conditioning her for what comes next. One day he may get so angry with her that he hits her, just once. He is immediately remorseful. He tells her he is sorry, may even buy her an expensive piece of jewelry to make up for it. But he also begins the conditioning here as well by telling her, "Why do you do what you do to make me so angry! If you hadn't done what you did, I would never have hit you! Can't you see if you just do what I said, you wouldn't have gotten hit." So he begins training her to believe that it was her fault. She begins thinking "If I would have just cleaned the house the way he told me to instead of the way I do it all the time, it wouldn't have happened." Often times these women come from homes in which the father was abusive towards the mother, or there was alcoholism in the family which created an element of chaos and uncertainty, as well as an element of "keeping peace". Or the woman may have experienced abuse as a child, and already had elements of conditioning in place in which she accepts the blame for others actions, or believes she causes people to act in certain ways, or believes that she really isn't any good and she's lucky just to have this man. Also, once the cycle of abuse has begun in the household, the man/woman/whoever will maintain tight control. There is a high incidence of abusive individuals killing loved pets just to show the one he is controlling that if he can kill a pet that he loves so dearly and has never hurt before, he can kill her too or any children involved. It really is an issue of control Stymie, and though people often wonder why these women stay in abusive relationships and don't get out, it's because they don't see a way out. It's because they are conditioned just as POWs are conditioned to act in certain ways. To place the blame on these women for remaining in an abusive relationship is to ignore the years of conditioning these men put on these women, or even their families before. To place the blame on these women for remaining in these relationships is to ignore the very fear they feel for their lives and the lives of their children if they leave. There are many stories, too many, of women who finally did get up the courage to leave, and were murdered when they did so. Most women are murdered by their estranged abusive husbands or boyfriends, than are murdered by strangers or in any other situation. [Edited 12/29/06 8:38am] Sexually abused as child, raped in front of her two sons, beaten in an abusive relationship that was also emotionally abusive and yes, I got the hell out of it. It is not impossible to do. Never ever did I say a child who abused was at fault. Where in the hell did you read that in my statement? Anywho, obviously Mayte was strong enough to get out of her situation and since this has taken a pretty bad turn with my input, I'll bow out. I didn't say it was impossible to do, because I too got out of it. But women do stay because they are afraid for their lives. I'm sorry for all that you've endured. :hugs: I mentioned the child because it is along the same lines. A child remains because she has no other recourse, there are no other options available. A woman who is abused and stays sees no other recourse, and sees no other options available unless someone steps in and tells her of options, or until she realizes that if she stays or goes, her life is in jeapordy or the lives of her children. For me, it took my son to wake me up to what I was putting him through by staying. For others, it takes almost dying from a beating. And for some, it just takes finally having enough and becoming strong enough to take that first step to get away. It's not as cut and dried as it being the woman's fault in staying. She already blames herself for the abuse, why add to the self-blame she feels by blaming her for having not been able to leave when you or I or others may have felt she should have. As a side note, I too was sexually abused as a child, raped at the age of 12, and endured 10 years in an abusive (emotionally and physically) marriage. I don't blame myself for staying, and I'm proud of myself for having found the strength to get out of it when I did. Anyway, back to Prince. | |
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LittleRedCorvette said: Stymie said: Well, I resepctfully disagree. If someone puts their hands on you and you don't get the hell out, how are you not allowing someone to continue their bad behavior? Even if I had never ever been in a relationship, I would know what would make me happy and what would make me sad and not being able to talk to my man would make me sad. If you do whatever it takes to stay with someone at the sacrifice of yourself, it's your own damn fault.
I take it you've never been in an abusive relationship? Well of course not, because you would get the hell out of there. Have you ever feared for your life? Do you do all that you can to prolong your life? Go to the doctor? Take medicine for illnesses if it's required? Eat fairly healthy? Exercise? Would you say a four year old child who is in the care of her father and is raped, but doesn't tell anyone and remains in the home is at fault? A woman in an abusive relationship does not stay because she enjoys being beaten. She is manipulated into believing it is her fault that she is being beaten. She also believes that if she leaves the husband or boyfriend or whoever will kill her or her kids. Men who abuse their wives often cut that wife off from contact with the outside world, from family, and from friends. He doesn't allow a phone in the house, even in case of emergency. He often moves the family around a lot, often from city to city or even to different states. He doesn't allow the wife to work, telling her he prefers her to remain home taking care of the house and kids. She has no income, no means of self-support. The husband may begin by putting her down on a daily basis, telling her she can't do anything right, telling her no one else would ever want her but him. The woman, because she loves her husband and doesn't understand where it all went wrong, often puts up with the verbal abuse, and may even begin to believe. This is his means of conditioning her for what comes next. One day he may get so angry with her that he hits her, just once. He is immediately remorseful. He tells her he is sorry, may even buy her an expensive piece of jewelry to make up for it. But he also begins the conditioning here as well by telling her, "Why do you do what you do to make me so angry! If you hadn't done what you did, I would never have hit you! Can't you see if you just do what I said, you wouldn't have gotten hit." So he begins training her to believe that it was her fault. She begins thinking "If I would have just cleaned the house the way he told me to instead of the way I do it all the time, it wouldn't have happened." Often times these women come from homes in which the father was abusive towards the mother, or there was alcoholism in the family which created an element of chaos and uncertainty, as well as an element of "keeping peace". Or the woman may have experienced abuse as a child, and already had elements of conditioning in place in which she accepts the blame for others actions, or believes she causes people to act in certain ways, or believes that she really isn't any good and she's lucky just to have this man. Also, once the cycle of abuse has begun in the household, the man/woman/whoever will maintain tight control. There is a high incidence of abusive individuals killing loved pets just to show the one he is controlling that if he can kill a pet that he loves so dearly and has never hurt before, he can kill her too or any children involved. It really is an issue of control Stymie, and though people often wonder why these women stay in abusive relationships and don't get out, it's because they don't see a way out. It's because they are conditioned just as POWs are conditioned to act in certain ways. To place the blame on these women for remaining in an abusive relationship is to ignore the years of conditioning these men put on these women, or even their families before. To place the blame on these women for remaining in these relationships is to ignore the very fear they feel for their lives and the lives of their children if they leave. There are many stories, too many, of women who finally did get up the courage to leave, and were murdered when they did so. Most women are murdered by their estranged abusive husbands or boyfriends, than are murdered by strangers or in any other situation. What does this ^^ have to do with Prince again? Seems like a big jump from Mayte not being able to call him to women murdered by estranged husbands. 
BTW, I was thinking---in the Betcha By Golly Wow isn't Prince carrying around a cell phone waiting for Mayte to call & tell him if she's pregnant or not? (Or is it Prince that called her?) I'm wont to lean towards the "don't call me when I'm working" scenario moreso than the "don't ever call me--I'll call you".  | |
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[/quote] BTW, I was thinking---in the Betcha By Golly Wow isn't Prince carrying around a cell phone waiting for Mayte to call & tell him if she's pregnant or not? (Or is it Prince that called her?) I'm wont to lean towards the "don't call me when I'm working" scenario moreso than the "don't ever call me--I'll call you". [/quote]
Since you are using videos for a point, heres another phone call to Prince..remember When "the lady in white" called him in the bath tub?  that was in Under The Cherry Moon. Ms.Wellington.[Edited 12/29/06 9:34am] Desiigner "Panda" LES TWINS x YAK FILMS | Laurent ft Skitzo & Boom Squad Inglewood  (part 1)
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Hold the fuck up!!! WHOA GUYS
I'm reading rape, sexual abuse, murder, killing her and the kids, fearing for one's life. Can yall tell me what the hell this has to to with Mayte and Prince????? [Edited 12/29/06 9:43am] | |
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erm, it seems like that were discussing abuse - the difference between mental physical, psychological abuse.
apparently, some believe(i am one) that prince is/was mentally and emotionally abusive to mayte accordign to her comments in the article.  Prince #MUSICIANICONLEGEND | |
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RosesRred said: DevotedPuppy said: BTW, I was thinking---in the Betcha By Golly Wow isn't Prince carrying around a cell phone waiting for Mayte to call & tell him if she's pregnant or not? (Or is it Prince that called her?) I'm wont to lean towards the "don't call me when I'm working" scenario moreso than the "don't ever call me--I'll call you". Since you are using videos for a point, heres another phone call to Prince..remember When "the lady in white" called him in the bath tub? that was in Under The Cherry Moon. Ms.Wellington.
Yeah! Excellent point. And what about If a Girl Answers? Seriously though, I know videos are not "the end all be all representation of Prince's real life" but I just thought that video in particular was interesting to consider b/c the 'plot' was true and it does have the phone playing a role.
Edit: And I just noticed my avie shows Prince using a phone! Coincidence or Fate?!?  [Edited 12/29/06 13:33pm] | |
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Stymie said: LittleRedCorvette said: Women do not allow men to beat them up, however the woman is manipulated into believing it is her fault that it occurred or are told over and over again that it won't happen again. In essence, they are brainwashed into believing they are at fault. Mayte commented in the interview that she was young and thought the relationship was supposed to be this way, and had no other way to judge how a relationship was supposed to be. Now it could be that Prince manipulated the situation and made her feel all relationships are like that, or it could just be that it was as she stated, she was young, inexperienced, and really had no way to judge how a relationship should be. That's a little harsh, Stymie. It's not easy for some woment to just leave and for many different reasons. One big is is they have no support system and there are others, but I won't bother to go into them. It's just not as cut and dried as JUST GET UP AND LEAVE. I know this from personal experience. | |
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Sorry everyone. :blush: I did go off on a tangent. I was reading comments regarding people calling the way Prince treated Mayte as abuse and took offense to Stymie's remark that no one can treat you in a way that you don't allow, inferring that those that are in abusive relationships allow the abuse to occur. But in my defense, I did say "Now back to Prince."!!!  | |
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LittleRedCorvette said: To those dissing Prince for not being there for Mayte after the loss of their child, there are so many possibilities as to why he could not be there for her. One is that Prince very likely does throw himself into his music in order to express emotions that he does not feel comfortable with expressing verbally to another. Another is the fact that the child had an inherited genetic disorder, and IF it was discovered that the defective gene came from the father, you know it's possible that Prince blamed himself for the loss of the child and perhaps felt that if he was around Mayte during this time that he would look into her eyes and see the blame towards him as well. It's hard enough to blame yourself for the loss of a child, but even harder when you feel that blame might come from the one you love. Those are only two possibilities.
Regarding their relationship, Prince is, has been, and always will be a very private person. Regarding him not allowing Mayte to call him, while I wouldn't be able to accept that in my relationship, I can sort of understand why Prince was that way, or is that way. Prince once commented that he has music running through his mind all the time, that he even dreams about music. As a writer, I know that if I am in the middle of writing something and am interrupted by either the telephone, or my husband, or my children, I can lose the vein of what I was writing and it takes me awhile to be able to get back to it. Prince has no set schedule as to when he composes his pieces of art, and never knows when the moment will hit him to compose something new. Mayte might have innocently called about something, just to say "I love you", and Prince may have been in the middle of a composition, and even though he might have appreciated her words and the sentiment, he might have lost the feel or the vibe of what he was composing at that time, and a masterpiece would be lost. I mean even the bathrooms at Paisley Park were wired to record at his command, in case inspiration hit while he was in the shower or something. So it's not outside the realm of possibility that the reason he asked Mayte to not call him, to wait until he called her, was because he himself never knew when inspiration was going to hit and he would be in the middle of composing a new song. It was safer to wait until he called, because it wouldn't be during the birth of a new song that way. Just my .02. A couple of wacks to his head with his cell phone would relieve him of the constant music in his head. Of course, he'll also be unconscious. It'll give the man a good rest. | |
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wonder505 said: Hold the fuck up!!! WHOA GUYS
I'm reading rape, sexual abuse, murder, killing her and the kids, fearing for one's life. Can yall tell me what the hell this has to to with Mayte and Prince????? [Edited 12/29/06 9:43am] Here we go again, go back and read what people say. Stymie was talking about her personal experience. Even though, it has nothing to do with Prince and Mayte, I feel sorry for what she's been through. Does it always have to be related to Prince and do all fans have to say that he's perfect? If so, I'd like this rule to be posted somewhere. | |
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I dont see this as "abuse". If she chose to accept the marriage as is...then thats what she was willing to live with, unless
he promises otherwise to suck them in, then that's wrong. If he is more committed to his lifestyle of work ethics, thats his decision. I gather he doesnt want a traditional equal relationship. | |
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malbena said: wonder505 said: Hold the fuck up!!! WHOA GUYS
I'm reading rape, sexual abuse, murder, killing her and the kids, fearing for one's life. Can yall tell me what the hell this has to to with Mayte and Prince????? [Edited 12/29/06 9:43am] Here we go again, go back and read what people say. Stymie was talking about her personal experience. Even though, it has nothing to do with Prince and Mayte, I feel sorry for what she's been through. Does it always have to be related to Prince and do all fans have to say that he's perfect? If so, I'd like this rule to be posted somewhere. by my own admission i didn't read the post in its entirety, i just opened up the thread and my eyes glanced over all these terrible words and didn't know how it went from Prince's controlling over Mayte to that. but now i know. [Edited 12/29/06 16:37pm] | |
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Stymie said: sosgemini said: easily, the motherf*cker is f*cked up in the head. there are many many many other celebrities out there that don't do this sh*t to their women. prince is f*cked up. he lives in a loony world. his actions are considered disgusting when a real pimp does it (manipulates and controls a woman) and he should not receive a "get out of jail card for free" simply because he is prince. this sh*t is f*ckin' wrong. period. Don't worry Stymie. Take this interview with a grain of salt. Parts of it sound like BS based on other interviews she's done post Prince and her antics while with Tommy Lee. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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wonder505 said: malbena said: Here we go again, go back and read what people say. Stymie was talking about her personal experience. Even though, it has nothing to do with Prince and Mayte, I feel sorry for what she's been through. Does it always have to be related to Prince and do all fans have to say that he's perfect? If so, I'd like this rule to be posted somewhere. by my own admission i didn't read the post in its entirety, i just opened up the thread and my eyes glanced over all these terrible words and didn't know how it went from Prince's controlling over Mayte to that. but now i know. [Edited 12/29/06 16:37pm] And then, you're telling me I can't read. Wouldn't it make more sense to read the whole thing before making a comment that can hurt people or is it just your habit of just telling people what they should or shouldn't say... and by the why are you editing your thread? You also called me a liar remember. I don't edit anything. I have nothing to hide. | |
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malbena said: wonder505 said: by my own admission i didn't read the post in its entirety, i just opened up the thread and my eyes glanced over all these terrible words and didn't know how it went from Prince's controlling over Mayte to that. but now i know. [Edited 12/29/06 16:37pm] And then, you're telling me I can't read. Wouldn't it make more sense to read the whole thing before making a comment that can hurt people or is it just your habit of just telling people what they should or shouldn't say... and by the why are you editing your thread? You also called me a liar remember. I don't edit anything. I have nothing to hide. there's a big difference in not reading a post which i admitted, to reading a post like you did, and stating things I said when it does not exist anywhere in the post - that tells me that you have a reading problem. by the way i edit alot because i type really fast and want to make sure my point gets clear. like now. [Edited 12/29/06 16:47pm] | |
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wonder505 said: malbena said: And then, you're telling me I can't read. Wouldn't it make more sense to read the whole thing before making a comment that can hurt people or is it just your habit of just telling people what they should or shouldn't say... and by the why are you editing your thread? You also called me a liar remember. I don't edit anything. I have nothing to hide. there's a big difference in not reading a post which i admitted, to reading a post like you did, and stating things I said when it does not exist anywhere in the post - that tells me that you have a reading problem. by the way i edit alot because i type really fast and want to make sure my point gets clear. like now.
[Edited 12/29/06 16:47pm] Are you for real ... anyways STYMIE  I'm with you and I'm glad you got out of it, you did good girl, very strong and keep up with it. LOVE | |
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Ifsixwuz9 said: Stymie said: You know what? You guys could go back and forth on this topic forever but at the end of the day, whether P was right or wrong, Mayte allowed herself to be treated like this and probably did the shit happily. If one is 'fucked up' then so is the other. I know that my personal life is fucked up enough NOT to put on blast and I think Mayte is not only tacky but stupid as fuck for telling people this stuff.
Don't worry Stymie. Take this interview with a grain of salt. Parts of it sound like BS based on other interviews she's done post Prince and her antics while with Tommy Lee. Yeah you're right. I think the story is "ripening" and will continue to get further away from the truth in the coming years. | |
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origmnd said: I dont see this as "abuse". If she chose to accept the marriage as is...then thats what she was willing to live with, unless
he promises otherwise to suck them in, then that's wrong. If he is more committed to his lifestyle of work ethics, thats his decision. I gather he doesnt want a traditional equal relationship. Exactly. This supposedly also went on before they were even married. So, if she had a problem with it, then she shouldn't have married him. It really is quite that simple. Preggers or not. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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i just want to thank stymie and LittleRedCorvette for sharing their stories.
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sosgemini said: i just want to thank stymie and LittleRedCorvette for sharing their stories.
Ditto. | |
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Under no uncertain terms do I base my conclusions on one individual's interview. I don't believe Prince likes nor respects women. Not saying he's gay either. He doesn't live in a vacuum. He can't always control information about himself that gets out, and by the way, isn't posted here. Nothing more to say, other than enjoy his talent as a musician. | |
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LittleRedCorvette said: Stymie said: 1. Maybe one day he will but seriously, their relationship is none of our business. 2. No one can treat you any way you don't allow them to. 3. And? 4. "Victim" implies something done to someone against their will. 5. I can concede that but once again, if her story's true, what part did she play? Women do not allow men to beat them up, however the woman is manipulated into believing it is her fault that it occurred or are told over and over again that it won't happen again. In essence, they are brainwashed into believing they are at fault. Mayte commented in the interview that she was young and thought the relationship was supposed to be this way, and had no other way to judge how a relationship was supposed to be. Now it could be that Prince manipulated the situation and made her feel all relationships are like that, or it could just be that it was as she stated, she was young, inexperienced, and really had no way to judge how a relationship should be. I agree in the past My Husband beat me and my family said if he did so again there would be some shit Flying persay my Family or any of the family wont let him do so any more Also his Family his mom wasnt happy she was Worried about us both we was all Conserned about Jordan thats our son i just pray this doesnt Bruse him for life and Justin My Husband he, hasnt since thank god he was very Lost at the time i feel some can be depends on the person and he was very deppressed dealing with Deppression and hes much better now thank Gawd. Cause i was so Scard in Frightened of him and no one scars me i am a Strong person my mother raised me that way in i have a Attitude and cause i loved him in was conserned with his well being i didnt leave him and other differences is we have a 6 year old child so he had to think about him. but the Marrage is much better now i love him so much hes not controling in Demanding but u dont have to be to do that each person is different in deals with things differently. Hope every ones having a great New years or has a Amazing new years Grandfather Blessings things i saw as child with my Father he was a Good man then Just Drank and went down hill and had to leave us but i was told he loved us all very much he loved me and my Sibblings my Mother and Grandpa just didnt want to pull us down with his problems Thats True Love *Sigh* Siad he would come Back once he stopped Drinking he did i was 16teen then he left again Back to California and has never came back.  Drinking can be a Crule thing and my Father is very lost i for give for every thing i know i will never see him again as hes not the same man when he drinks very dangerous to be Around it effects every one Differently and when my father is Sober hes very Laid back calm never gets Angery much. Well Blessings to every one | |
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Moving, and all that, but a lot of this stuff has nothing to do with prince, is this really the place.? | |
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thedribbler said: Moving, and all that, but a lot of this stuff has nothing to do with prince, is this really the place.?
Many concluded Prince's behavior abusive and it obviously has opened up old wounds for individuals logged on, and in view of the community support one gets on this site, I can't think of a better place. It was spontaneous. The interview is eye opening and reflects an unpleasant, painful aspect of human nature. | |
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xplnyrslf said: thedribbler said: Moving, and all that, but a lot of this stuff has nothing to do with prince, is this really the place.?
Many concluded Prince's behavior abusive and it obviously has opened up old wounds for individuals logged on, and in view of the community support one gets on this site, I can't think of a better place. It was spontaneous. The interview is eye opening and reflects an unpleasant, painful aspect of human nature. I agree. | |
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