Because he's a fucking parasite...that's why.
[Edited 11/11/06 1:50am]

Alliasan said:

Wrong. For your information, Larry Graham entered Prince's life when he was going through the loss of his only son, and Prince felt vulnerable. Larry came into his life and gave him some much needed spiritual guidance for the difficult time he was going through. There's your brick.

BlaqueKnight said:

right on, no argument here

Alliasan said:

....shut up.

HoneymoonXpress said:

I think he was in semi-retirement before Prince brought him back on stage, for that matter. Can anybody confirm this?

I don't think Mr. Graham was out to be a force of innovation or what.

meow85 said:

Damn! You NAILED IT. Seriously. That's exactly what it is that bothers me.

I've tried to like Larry. I really, really have. I didn't wanna be like other Prince fans who can't stand him, but I just can't help it.

There is something about that moustache'd smile and Prince's submissive nature around him that really feels uncomfortable and eerie.

tmo1965 said:

Due to Larry Graham, Prince started bible study. Back in the day, and probably at present, Prince was grateful for being shown the way. All of his preaching on song, concert and where ever he owed mr Graham.

As simple as that.

That is also the reason alot of old skoolers dislike Mr Graham; Prince revised old hits with new lyrics (he still does) and does not play old skool faves like Darling Nikki or Sexy MF. They think mr Graham stole their Prince.

It's kinda childish.

And selfish. As Prince did it all by himself,in a way. As I see it, mr Graham showed Prince the way to an answer he has been looking for a long time. His entire career he has been dropping silent and loud hints at his religious stance. He took us along for the ride, but now he starts revising some of that ride, which I think is a bit childish too.

And selfish, because even though he might consider his songs his own, they are also part of the people that love them. Putting them out means sharing. The good and the bad. It is just that what Prince considers bad is still perfectly good in my eyes.

HamsterHuey said:

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Larry didn't do anything Prince didn't allow or encourage him to do
Its as simple as THAT.
Not feelin' what he's doing? Stop buying his music - I did.

BlaqueKnight said:

No, it's not.

You're right to a point, but Prince was feeling vulnerable and depressed because of the death of his child, you [b]have to take that into account.
And it is true that very religious people hone in on those who are suffering a really big loss, because they know that those people are feeling out of control, and life no longer makes sense, and because of that, they've lost their will to fight (temporarily) Larry knew that, and so getting him to do some things that he wanted him to do was a lot easier than if he hadn't lost his child. Add to that the fact that Prince was a huge fan of his from his teenage years, and it was pretty much easy sailing for Larry.
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Sigh.

Converting. Jeez. He was a JW in lots of ways already. It just needed a guide and yes, Larry Graham was that guide. But if anyone of you think that Prince lets himself be guided towards something he does not want himself, then you are fooling yourself indeed.

I am very glad that for Prince personally that he seems happy with whatever he gets out of The Word, even though, in my eyes, his music became a bit more xenophobic. I always thought the song with the same title was kind of ironic, even though unintentionally.

I like his experiments in music, even though he already done some of those things, sometimes better (I'd take Eric Leeds' Times Squared over N.E.W.S. and that X-album combined, thank you). At least it takes him to places that I cannot follow (The Rainbow Children, Avalanche).

To me, Prince becoming JW took away the freeform Love4oneanother feel that much of his earlier work did have. I never felt he wished me going to hell cuz I just like his music, not his every message, as I conveyed it was in his eyes on tracks like 1+1+1=3.

But that is all Prince. He wanted to be thaught the bible, he wanted to preach. He wanted to learn. Too bad it is not to your liking but at least respect his wishes and do not kill the messenger.

Larry Graham is, besides a wonderful person, also a great musician that made some wonderful music. I still listen to lots of his music from the Graham Central Station days.

And people should understand they should be grateful, as that same output showed Prince some of the way that he let us join. GCS is basically the blueprint for the multi-racial, god loving bunch that became The Revolution. Prince listening to GCS is a big part of what he became later on.

Lovegod. LoveU.

BlaqueKnight said:

You try losing your newborn son to a genetic disease and see how hot you feel afterwards

HoneymoonXpress said:

You don't know me and you have no idea what I have lost in my lifetime. You act as if Prince is the only one who has experienced loss or that his loss is somehow more special or unique than others'? One thing I've never lost is my head. Anyone can make a bad decision here or there but trying to lay an entire lifesytle change on another individual is crazy. Prince has controlled and manipulated others throughout his entire career. There's no way a control freak gives up control like that without willingly doing so. You fanbots are way too far gone. No wonder you all live so deeply in Princeland. You're nuckin' futs. Maybe HE NEEDED A CHANGE? Like I said, you all don't know Prince. YOU DON'T KNOW PRINCE, YOU ONLY KNOW HIS MUSIC, so acting like you all know what's best for him is DUMB. He made all of his own decisions. Deal with it. Go to Vegas.

BlaqueKnight said:

You don't know me either. And furthermore, you don't know ANYBODY on this site enough to call them fanbots...you THINK YOU KNOW, but you don't know SHIT about me or anybody else on this site.

You act as if Prince is the only one who has experienced loss or that his loss is somehow more special or unique than others'?

What is WRONG WITH YOU? Prince is a HUMAN BEING. and ALL HUMAN BEINGS who experience that type of loss feel pain and suffering. HOW THE HELL DOES THAT MAKE HIM UNIQUE OR SPECIAL?? Did you SEE THE WORDS "special" and "Unique" anywhere in my previous post? No, you didn't.

One thing I've never lost is my head. Anyone can make a bad decision here or there but trying to lay an entire lifesytle change on another individual is crazy. Prince has controlled and manipulated others throughout his entire career.

Ohhh, I get it. So Prince had it coming, right? And losing his son was just karma for controlling and manipulating people. Remind me to be thankful that I'm not practising your religion.

There's no way a control freak gives up control like that without willingly doing so.

There is if that control freak suddenly feels OUT OF CONTROL when he suffers a loss as terrible as the death of his baby. I realize that words like emotions and heart are foreign concepts to you, but believe it or not, it IS possible to be a certain way most of your life and then have a change of heart when something bad happens to you, even if it's temporary.

You fanbots are way too far gone. No wonder you all live so deeply in Princeland. You're nuckin' futs.
Maybe HE NEEDED A CHANGE?

and losing his son was JUST the thing to make him change, wasn't it?


The only one who is fuckin nuts here, is you. That rant you just made has absolutely nothing to do with what we're talking about. For as long as I've been reading your posts, you've done nothing but make it your personal mission to set us "fanbots" straight, because you're convinced we're ignorant and we need straightening out. Well, we don't. It's YOU who needs to be straightened out. Because you lack a little thing called "compassion", you fail to realize that it doesn't matter who you are, when you're going through something horrible , you need the help and the companionship of a friend who is on your side to help you make better sense of the world. And that's what Larry Graham was for Prince. If you'd stop blaming me for being a fanbot long enough, you would've seen that I'm glad Larry came into his life. I may not agree with everything Larry told Prince, but then that's not the issue here, and it aint my business. The point is, he was there for Prince, and that's whats important. Prince is a happier person now, and that's all that matters.

BlaqueKnight said:

Isn't that what you do to other people's posts all the time? So then you should be used to it.





Honey, please stop bragging on yourself...you're good, but you're not that good, ok?




Yes, but one's choices can still be heavily influenced by the things that happen to you, or did you play hooky from school the day they taught that in English Lit? And it sucks when people won't stop responding about what you say, doesn't it? Now you know what it feels like when you do it to others. It's ok for YOU to respond, but its not okay for anybody else to respond to YOU, because after all, you're the one who "tells it like it is".



Yes, actually I do know for a fact that the loss of his child is the reason he went the direction he did. In fact, it seems to be quite obvious to everyone but you. And just because I say I know that, does NOT make me a fanatic. All you had to do was just put 2 and 2 together.

HoneymoonXpress said:

Nope. I almost never do that. I actually despise how people childishly fail to take a post as a whole idea. But just this once...for you.

Draw whatever conclusions you will about Prince's personal life or mine for that matter. You are absolutely free to do as you will; as am I. Larry is still Larry Graham despite the hate brigade of Prince fans that foolishly blame him for Prince's own life choices. He'd made his mark before Prince even made a record and he gets his respect amongst music circles of people who judge him according to his MUSIC. He gets Prince's respect as well. Maybe its the clueless fanatics who don't get it? Of course, if you're not one then it wouldn't offnd you now, would it?
Look, I no longer want to continue this ridiculous debate. Can't we simply agree to disagree? Yes? No?
[Edited 11/16/06 2:43am]

Ya know, I've always thought a big part of it was jealousy... like the fams were thinking, "why does Prince love Larry so much, but not me? I'm MUCH cooler than Larry!"

That makes me chuckle.

BlaqueKnight said:[quote]

HoneymoonXpress said:

Nope. I almost never do that. I actually despise how people childishly fail to take a post as a whole idea. But just this once...for you.


and Larry is also a Jehovahs Witness, whose mission it is to convert people to their religion. Larry told him to change "The Cross" to "The Christ", now if you can't see that then you're blind.




You're a cold cruel blackhearted motherfucker, you know that? You don't get it and you never will I guess...





You just LOVE to throw that word around, don't you? "clueless" etc. Look in the mirror pal, it's YOU who's clueless.






FYI Mr. smartass, it offends me becuase I USED to be one, and I understand how people feel, unlike you, who doesn't give a damn about people's feeling AT ALL.






Then I'll just consider this your concession and leave it at that.

PurpleKnight said:

Like I said, something just seemed wrong. I don't know what it is, and doubt I ever will. Not knowing the particulars of what was going on, I couldn't even hazard a guess.

Like you, I really did try to like Larry at least a bit, especially after seeing all the fammy backlash he was getting around here. Almost felt bad for the guy. But I just couldn't shake the wiggins I got from seeing Prince acting like a needy puppy around him.

BlaqueKnight, Honeymoon, you've both got valid points.

Now have some and stop arguing.

I've never had a problem with Larry.I like his 70s jams

didn't really care for that awful 'GCS2000' crap,though

Everyone (adults, too) has people in their lives (relatives, friends) that have influenced them in one way or another. You don't have to be weak-minded or brainless or a robot to be influenced by something or someone. That is just human nature. Unless you live in a vacuum, you are influenced by shit everyday.

I don't think anyone said Larry dragged Prince kicking and screaming down to the Kingdom Hall. I say Larry is a bad influence. You can disagree if you want and state why you do like him and why you think others don't.
One could argue that the only reason why some people do like Larry is because Prince likes Larry. That sounds like some true 'fan-bot' type shit to me.
I been around JWs my whole life. I know how the more 'skilled' ones work on a person. And, if you have a chink on your armor, they will find that shit and go to work on your ass. And some people go along. Prince went along.
Now musically speaking; look, I am not a musician. I just know what I like. I was never a fan of Larry Graham's stuff. I found it incredibly boring. So? -the fuck you gon' do about it? And anyone that says GCS2000 was good shit is smoking something.

The only thing I like from that album is "I Just Found Somebody To Love". It's a horrible album because he callaborated with Prince on it and Prince was in his shit hop mood that year with "New Power Soul".

Larry is capable of some great funk on his own without any of Prince's influence. On the other hand, Prince is also capable of some great funk of his own without Larry's influence. They are both better without each other, not only musically....but personally as well.

vainandy said:

Interesting how two talented musicians whose standard output rivals triple chocolate cake in it's fabulousness (well, mostly) can come together to create lukewarm pea soup.

sharonbell said:

I like LG as a musician but I've heard stories from ppl who've worked CLOSE with LG and they've said it has left them wanting, so 2 speak. I have GCS2000 and that's on Heavy Rotation when I want some Related Artist Funk.

As a few other ppl have mentioned: they DO NOT like LG becuz the "FEEL" he may have assisted Prince 2 convert 2 a JW. I'm not sure how TRUE or FALSE this is bit I've read/heard that also...

carlcranshaw said:

BlaqueKnight said:

Prince is NOT going 2 like my response but so be it. I've liked LG from a musician standpoint long before I ever heard of Prince. In my opinion, LG took advantage of Prince on several levels that I can't get into in this venue but I will say that when Prince was searching 4 answers 2 certain things in his life, LG was there 2 fill the VOID. I may not like LG's contribution 2 Prince, and it's obvious that a lot of u don't like it as well. The only thing that really counts is that Prince does like it, so that is that.

I almost never respond 2 personal things about Prince on this site, but LG just rubs me the wrong way. I dig his music but I do NOT care 4 him as a person as it relates 2 his approach with Prince. I never will.
[Edited 12/4/06 7:00am]