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Thread started 09/06/06 3:40am

mikek1

Did Sheila E really come up with the beat for 'Tambourine'?

Plz say it aint so eek eek
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Reply #1 posted 09/06/06 6:20am

AGNTHVC

according to per neilsen yes. track track was recorded in one take also

she was going to replace bobby z but bobby didnt know it at the time.
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Reply #2 posted 09/06/06 6:50am

mikek1

AGNTHVC said:

according to per neilsen yes. track track was recorded in one take also

she was going to replace bobby z but bobby didnt know it at the time.


please elaborate
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Reply #3 posted 09/06/06 6:55am

Giovanni777

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"coming up" with a beat doesn't mean she recorded it.

Sheila showed Prince a beat that he liked, and he recorded "Sexual Suicide" with his interpretation of it. Same thing could of happened with "Tambourine".
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Reply #4 posted 09/06/06 7:03am

mikek1

Giovanni777 said:

"coming up" with a beat doesn't mean she recorded it.

Sheila showed Prince a beat that he liked, and he recorded "Sexual Suicide" with his interpretation of it. Same thing could of happened with "Tambourine".


how does per know? has any enginer confirmed it or any of the revolution?

plus Prince normally credits Sheila e; e.g alphabet st, u got the look, pop life
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Reply #5 posted 09/06/06 9:01am

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Giovanni777 said:

"coming up" with a beat doesn't mean she recorded it.

Sheila showed Prince a beat that he liked, and he recorded "Sexual Suicide" with his interpretation of it. Same thing could of happened with "Tambourine".


As I suggest above, it's Prince on the skins, in that recording.
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Reply #6 posted 09/06/06 9:05am

AGNTHVC

mikek1 said:

AGNTHVC said:

according to per neilsen yes. track track was recorded in one take also

she was going to replace bobby z but bobby didnt know it at the time.


please elaborate


the prince documentary the first decade says that sheila played the drums to the track and it was recorded in one take from sheila . prince loved it and was going to replace babby z on drums. he was going to disband the revolution anyway in that time.
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Reply #7 posted 09/06/06 9:06am

AGNTHVC

Giovanni777 said:

Giovanni777 said:

"coming up" with a beat doesn't mean she recorded it.

Sheila showed Prince a beat that he liked, and he recorded "Sexual Suicide" with his interpretation of it. Same thing could of happened with "Tambourine".


As I suggest above, it's Prince on the skins, in that recording.



no it was sheila . . prince couldnt drum like that back then
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Reply #8 posted 09/06/06 9:50am

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AGNTHVC said:

mikek1 said:



please elaborate


the prince documentary the first decade says that sheila played the drums to the track and it was recorded in one take from sheila . prince loved it and was going to replace babby z on drums. he was going to disband the revolution anyway in that time.


Actually,...the correct wording used in Nilsen's DMSR uses Susan Rogers
as the source in

this quote:

When he started to hang out with Sheila
and saw how she played drums, that fired him up...


The rest goes on to say that the result of Sheila inspiring him was played out on the song "Tamborine." It dosen't mention that Sheila played or "came up
with the beat" for the song. shrug
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Reply #9 posted 09/06/06 9:51am

AGNTHVC

ONCE AGAIN I WILL HAVE TO RESEARCH IT I DONT HAVE THE BOOK WITH ME . .

but i believe it is sheila on the track
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Reply #10 posted 09/06/06 9:56am

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The Vault says this about Tambourine:

"the sketchy, minimalist arrangement contains little more than Prince's energetic live drumming, percussive bass playing, and handclaps (from a drum machine)."
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Reply #11 posted 09/06/06 10:33am

mikek1

metalorange said:

The Vault says this about Tambourine:

"the sketchy, minimalist arrangement contains little more than Prince's energetic live drumming, percussive bass playing, and handclaps (from a drum machine)."


One thing to consider is Prince recorded Tambourine, pop life and paisley park at near enought the same time, same place; Sheila plays drums on pop life maybe he used her for all three? But then why only credit her for pop life?

Maybe she was drumming in a certain way and that inspired to make it.
I haven't actually heard anyone say they know that she came up with the beat.

To the person who said Prince couldn't drum like that; Have you heard take me with you, for you, the 1999 album?
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Reply #12 posted 09/06/06 11:46am

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Reply #13 posted 09/06/06 5:45pm

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Perhaps he stole the beat from Sheila and recorded it himself.
[Edited 9/6/06 17:46pm]
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Reply #14 posted 09/06/06 7:34pm

ThePunisher

BlaqueKnight said:

Perhaps he stole the beat from Sheila and recorded it himself.
[Edited 9/6/06 17:46pm]
It wouldn't be the first time.
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Reply #15 posted 09/06/06 7:46pm

Jackeblu

I just read in DMSR by Per Nilsen he played the drums on Tambourine. Susan Rogers is quoted as saying "When he started to hang out with Sheila E and saw how she played drums, it fired him up...He played drums on Tambourine with such exuberance. He was gleeful that day and he loved the song, was in a great mood and pounded the hell out of the drums."

So there you go...he also played drums on Sexual Suicide after Sheila showed him the beat.
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Reply #16 posted 09/07/06 3:51am

mikek1

Jackeblu said:

I just read in DMSR by Per Nilsen he played the drums on Tambourine. Susan Rogers is quoted as saying "When he started to hang out with Sheila E and saw how she played drums, it fired him up...He played drums on Tambourine with such exuberance. He was gleeful that day and he loved the song, was in a great mood and pounded the hell out of the drums."

So there you go...he also played drums on Sexual Suicide after Sheila showed him the beat.


So she inspired that song but prince actually played it.. That boy is goooood!

Sexual suicide is different.Prince acknowledged Sheila Came up with the beat; that's different than influencing the style.
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Reply #17 posted 09/07/06 3:56am

mikek1

ThePunisher said:

BlaqueKnight said:

Perhaps he stole the beat from Sheila and recorded it himself.
[Edited 9/6/06 17:46pm]
It wouldn't be the first time.


Why what else has he 'stole'

For the amount of material Prince has wrote and recorded on his own he is extremely original. Didn't susan rodgers say he was always trying to get tightt sounding drum beats; so he was working hard on his own creating original stuff.

Now has Prince collaborated and not given credit..YES but 9/10ths of the time it's either Prince playing everything or having input to how the other members play..

e.g i need a slow rythm guitar for this part..you get the drift razz
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