Duggs said:

if that is your definition of success... i guess its subjective

adorable2 said:

its very subjective indeed. I just dont get what you mean by "standing on your on 2 feet". You wrote that based on Tamars involement with Prince thats not a good indicator of success

I disagree i think its a great indicator for Tamar, maybee not for someone else but in her case yes. People act like Prince feeds her, changes her diapers, and buys Tamar clothes. Not to metion Prince taught her how to sing, dance and act as well
I posted some of Tamar's (acomplishment/success indicators) Pre-Prince. You add that to what she did with Prince and her stock is rising, which again tells me that shes on the right path to success

Duggs said:

oh ok when (if ever) her album is finally released I will at least be able to say she was successful in getting an album on store shelves. until then.... i will still say she's done some exciting stuff but I don't consider her a success period.

adorable2 said:

All that matters is whether she considers herself to be successful.
[Edited 8/12/06 10:04am]

PurpleCharm said:

right i need a frame of reference for the word successful i guess.

adorable2 said:

FYI, Tamar said in her vibe article that shes quick NOT to say she is a success due to all the disapointments in her career leaving Girls Tyme, American Idol an such. So thats good enough for me.

Duggs said:

Oh you forgot the dissapointment of not having a release date for her album did she mention that? FYI I don't have a problem with Tamar thinking she's a success, I have a problem with people saying they think she is a success and listing a long line of credits that all involve someone else who is successful to boost their theory or definition of success. I KNOW I'm a success at what I do and I don't need to list anyone else to my credit to prove it. I don't even need a witness and I hope Tamar doesn't feel she needs to list her time spent with Prince as an indicator of her own success like some of you do. I could have never heard of the girl and if she came on this board and said she was a successful singer, I would have agreed just on her feeling she was a success alone but standing on stage with someone who people consider an icon, does not make YOU a success and I will stand by that no matter what you think. Musiq was featured on the Aftershow singing with P and the band and I don't in no way form or fashion think he was successful at his attempt in singing Sunny/ If You Want Me To Stay live. He stunk like year old collard greens! You think it made it any better just cause he was up there with Prince? Hell to the naw! But if he feels like he made some major accomplishment just because he was standing up there next to Prince bombing on stage, more power to him and I'll have whatever he's drinking.

adorable2 said:

you lost me on this one. i was just adding to what PurpleCharm said as far as Tamar is the only one to gauge hers success. And in the Vibe article she said she does not consider herself a success.

Also Tamar has never said her album does not have a release date. Everybody is assuming that she is not. And what does Musiq Solchild have to do with anything were discussing?
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Duggs said:

I was just using him as yet another example of someone who has been standing on stage next to Prince, but still shouldn't be considered successful in my opinion. Anyway like I have been saying for the past I dunno how many posts, who you're working with, having sex with, marrying, recording songs with or whatever else, doesn't make you a success. It's who you are and what you bring to the table as an individual. Therefore listing all the things Tamar has done with Prince doesn't sway me to say she is successful.

adorable2 said:

Musiq was a horrible example. He cant even sing the national anthem correctly.

while Tamar on the other hand was SUCCESSFUL at singing the anthem in front of 60,000 ppl in Shea Stadium. But since she works with Prince she gets not credit for that either huh

Your arguement is weak and you make a lot of assumptions, honestly you sound jealous Tamar earned everything that she has gotten.

Also Tamar agrees with you, she doesnt think she a success either.

Duggs said:

Wow jealous of what? I never said I didn't think she was a success, I said my definition of success is apparently different from some people on this post. So there I guess that makes me sound jealous but you on the other hand sound obsessed with driving home a point you have not yet succeeded in making. Anyway I guess like I said before unlike Tamar I consider myself a success at what I do, but not because of anyone and in some cases in spite of everyone (with the exception of God). I have no ill will toward Tamar as I don't know her all I am saying is you don't measure success based on other's acceptance. If you can't get that then you're the one with issues. But jealousy try again my dear never that.
[Edited 8/18/06 13:34pm]

adorable2 said:

No doubt i can accecpt that.
i only said jealousy because you brought up sex, and marraige and all that i apologize for that. I agree that success is standing on your on 2 feet. I believe that she has been doing that. Thats my only point

ok Duggs..fess up...what is your connection to Tamar? No doubt there is one the way u defend her so much. Not saying there is anything wrong in that, just a little unusual since the public knows so very little about her and her talents.

txladykat said:

I just wasnt introduced to Tamar from Prince, I seen her peform on the Lee Ritenour "twist of motown" tour, which lead me to her Angaza album.

So with the limited info we have, which i might add i got the bulk of from you . Im probally looking at the info alot differently. So i disagree with alot of things said about Tamar.

Duggs said:

yes, i did provide some background info her because i do agree with you. i think she is talented and deserves a chance. i just meant that in reading your varoius posts though, yours seem to be more of a "personal" nature.

txladykat said:

Well honestly I feel like a lot of the negative things we have seen written about Tamar is due to the fact that she is a darker shade than most are use to seeing next to Prince. I take that VERY personal, you have provided enough info on Tamar that shows she is talented.

Its like theirs quotes from Prince and Tamar all over the internet, yet ppl choose to ignore what they (P&T) say about themselves and form their own opinion.

I also wanna say that a truly believe Prince and Tamar are starting a movement to bring back the real music that everyone is waiting to hear.

I got some theroies about those 2 that ive been keeping to myself because i already know most wont understand...
[Edited 8/19/06 9:03am]

Duggs said:

I agree. I am even inclined to believe that Tamar being backed by a band influenced Beyonce to get her own backing band.

The music industry, as we know it, is about to bottom out. Just look at the Cassie fiasco. At some point, the public will no longer support the Cassie's and Ashanti's of the industry that are heavily promoted and given a bigger platform, while greater talents are relegated to niche genres like neo-soul and urban contemporary formats on radio.

PurpleCharm said:

Yep, the idustry is saturated with garbage. Built up like wall street did with the "junk bonds" so it will crash like wall street did. Bring on the Great Depression!!!!

I think there's a lot of hating on Tamar for no good reason. Take a chill pill folks.

Duggs said:

Duggs said:

Prince doesnt need Tamar to bring back "real music". He made that point with Musicology. As for believing what THEY say about themselves would be foolish. We all know Prince to "create smoke and mirrors" as if we could believe anything any artist out there has to say about themselves. Its all about spin and trying to make themselves more interesting. For example, I highly doubt that Tamar can speak five different languages. Maybe she can say a few phrases but does that mean she can speak them? Bullshit. Everybody does it, puts a spin on their otherwise boring lives. Celebrities are hype. Just regular people who are photographed and easily recognized mostly for infamous acts, seldom for their talent.

I do believe in an article I read it states she sings in five languages not actually speak them. I remember in school we were taught to sing songs in other languages, doesn't mean we speak them, but nice to know she could do that. Beyonce did it.

Also, at least Tamar can sing compared to some of these other artists like Britney Spears, The other simpson sister, Rihanna and Cassie.
[Edited 8/20/06 5:34am]

BobbyPin said:

She can SING in several different languages. Im glad you wrote what you did you prove my point wonderfully.

Im also glad you brought up musicology because thats when I personal went from being a Prince "yea hes a genius but to freaky for me type" to a Prince Fan. Before then i couldnt identify with the man.

And i dont know about Prince's "smokes and mirrors" that sounds like a liar, im not a fan of liars, anyhow i NEVER said Prince NEEDS Tamar to bring back real music. If your going to say something about what i wrote get it right.

Duggs said:

Look Mr/Ms ItakeeverythingaboutTamarpersonal, I can read and know you didnt say Prince needed Tamar. I was saying he didnt need her.

I did read she could speak different languages. I dont care if she can macrame her own dress and write in Swahili at the same time. The point was smoke and mirrors. Everyone makes themselves out to be more interesting than they really are. In fact its Princes speciality as if you didnt know. How do you take a puertorican girl and make her an egyptian princess? Prince writes her bio.

why do y ou think Tamar has not addressed her album on myspac or her website? She probably doesnt know what shes doing next.

She should get a tour, distance her self from Prince so she can prove she's not some lucky choir girl who got plucked off the street. I know 5 girls at my girls church who can sing equally or better than her. Tamar can sing but is she talented or gifted?

As for Tamar being negatively talked about because shes "a shade darker". If you didnt notice EVERYONE gets a negative bite here. All protegees are just lucky girls who look good and got plucked out of obscurity usually because they were dating Prince and he wanted to make them a star. I doubt he was dating Tamar due to the little sister references but to say that she gets negative jabs cos shes darker is just fucking stupid.

The only real crime she has committed on her own is her wardrobe. And thats it. Not cos shes black or fat or shows her tits or sings like a chicken. (No, I'm not saying shes any of those things.)

Speaking of protegees has anyone seen the one before Tamar lately? I forget her name.

BobbyPin said:

is it time for the duct tape dress?

BobbyPin said:

thats Mr.ItakeeverythingaboutTamarpersonal
I apologize for thinking you misread what i wrote.

You make some valid points i just dont think they apply to Tamar.

I dont know i just believe things are different now maybee im being naive about it.
I just see Prince entering the year of 06 and thinking to hisself what have i not done in my career i just got in the Rock and Roll hall of fame, an Image lifetime achievement award.

Well i(P) never had an album debut #1 nor have ive been successful in mentoring a new artist the RIGHT way.

One down one to go...

BobbyPin said:

Marva King? She was handing out calendars and cd's outside of the Tamar Roxy show back in January I believe. Where is Milena? DVS? The Fonky Baldheadz?