Ottensen said:

THANKYOU! I NEEDED TO HEAR THAT TODAY! SOMEONE SENT ME AN E-MAIL TODAY THAT SAID THE SAME THING 8-)PLEASE PRAY WITH ME! STAND BY ME! BELIEVE IN ME! I NEED YOU ALL I WAS NOT MENT TO DO THIS ALONE! GOD BLESS YOU BIBLE STUDY FOR TODAY IS JOHN CHAPTER 17 ALL VERSES IN JESUS'S WORDS ONLY! AND AS ALWAYS A MESSEGE TO MY KING! PSALM 45

Shyra said:

IF WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND THEN THE KINGDOM IS AT HAND FOR ME AS WE SPEAK! I TREAT ALL WITH LOVE! THE WAY THAT I PRAY THAT ALL WILL TREAT ME! BUT THEY ALWAYS SAY THE CLOSER THAT YOU ARE TO GOD & YOUR DREAMS THE OTHER SIDE FIGHT'S HARDER TO STOP YOU! BUT I AM NOT AFRADE OF THE OTHER SIDE BECAUSE MY MOTHER & MY FATHER GOD THEY GOT MY BACK!!!!! AND I PRAY THAT YOU DO TOO

I sent you an orgnote with the number of a place that might be able to help you with your money situation.

powerbaby said:

I meant no disrespect with my signature. It is something that I truely believe, and it was not intended to insult you. It's just another way of saying "Reap what you sow." Your doing God's work will reap you benefits, I'm sure. Peace and love.

Shyra said:

I DID NOT THINK THAT YOU DID SWEETHEART! I JUST PRAY THAT I DO REAP WHAT I HAVE SOWN! LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE

dustysgirl said:

THANKYOU! I WILL CHECK IT OUT I NEED ALL THE HELP THAT I CAN GET! GOD BLESS!

Shyra said:

I don't know about "all of us". Quite frankly I was interested in what Robin's been doing. I'm always interested in "where are they now" type stories. Michael Bland, Alan Leeds, etc.

Since this is a Prince fansite, the occasional amusing Prince anecdote is to be expected and that's fine up to a point.

However...

When the discussion began to take a different turn, some picked up on it and were moved to reach out. It's not confusing, really.

I appreciate your positivity.

wonder505 said:

hmmm let me see...try reading this thread from beginning 2 end~ummm its a big change as u go on...anyway...

powerbaby said:

And Robin, everything I said to you was God's way and I wasn't "trying" to understand. I do understand.


Robin, I was out of work for two years. I owed my landlord $8,000 and was about to be evicted. I had no phone and no car for six months. I never had to go dance. I never had to pimp myself out to a man. God provided EVERYDAY. In a matter of one months time, I paid my landlord ALL of her money, got my phone turned back on and now I have TWO cars. This was only just in the past couple of years. So I do understand but i also understand that when you are in a place where God needs to you pay attention to HIM, you don't need to concern yourself with trying to help others. I lost my job, my mother, car, phone, etc all in a two year span.

But see the great testimony is that I'm better than before and I NEVER waivered and I never compromised my faith through trying to gain money through sex or my sexuality period. You can't mix the world and faith in that manner.


YOu can't say, let me show my ass and Praise the Lord. Sorry. God isn't about confusion.

Robin, just pay attention to the demons that in your path and even on this site.
So none of my statements were about "trying to understand". I see you clearly sista.

I love you in Christ. And yes, I have your back!

powerbaby said:

We are here for you Robin. Please read Psalm 37 and meditate on clarity, faith, and deliverance. There is a prayer circle around you. Be blessed.

Robin, I just wish I had some money to wire to you.

Thinking of you.

Rhondab said:

NO MATER WHAT I WAS BORN TO SAVE GOD'S CHOSEN PEOPLE! THE LITTLE ONES ALL OVER THE WORLD! STARTING IN AFRICA! I WILL BUILD ZION! HEAVEN ON EARTH AND I WILL NEVER JUST THINK ABOUT MYSELF!!!!! I CAN'T SLEEP AT NIGHT BECAUSE I HEAR THEIR CRY'S! THEY NEED THE MOTHER IN ME! THE ANGEL THAT HAS BEEN BORN TO SET GOD'S CHILDREN FREE!!!!! SO PLEASE JUST LET ME BE! ME! GOD BLESS YOU! I KNOW WHO I AM & I KNOW WHY I'M HERE & I KNOW WHAT I MUST DO!!!!! I AM THE HOLY GHOST! THE HOLY SPIRIT THE LITTLE SISTER OF JESUS! GOD'S BABY GIRL AND I AM HERE TO FINISH WHAT MY BIG BROTHER JESUS STARTED! IT'S MY JOB

Rhondab said:

OHHHHH WOW BUT PRINCE CAN SHOW HIS ASS TO THE ENTIRE WORLD & CRAWL ON THE FLOOR BUTT NAKED! & YOU STILL LOVE & BELIEVE IN HIM!!! WOW!!!! AMAZING!!!! WHAT A DOUBLE STANDARD!!! WOW! NOW I SEE THE ONE NOT OF GOD IS YOU BABY GIRL!!! YOU!!!! YOU ARE NOT MY JUDGE! YOU ARE NOT AND WILL NEVER BE ME! I'M DOING IT MY WAY! GOD'S WAY! REMEMBER BEING BEAUTIFUL & SEXY IS NOT & WILL NEVER BE A SIN! I LOVE MYSELF! I LOVE BEING A WOMAN & A CREATOR! GOD KNOW'S MY HEART! AND ANYONE WHO WOULD EVER TELL ANOTHER SOUL NOT TO HELP OTHERS IS NOT MY SISTER OR MY BROTHER! YOU ARE THE ONE WHO NEEDS TO LOOK IN THE MIRROR! I PRAY FOR LOVE NOT HATE! SO PLEASE LEAVE MY WORLD IF YOU HAVE NOTHING NICE TO SAY! GOD BLESS YOU! & GOOD BYE! BIBLE STUDY FOR TODAY IS JOHN CHAPTER 8 VERSE #7
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Rhondab said:

This is a very narrow minded view. It depends on how you look at sexuality. And spirtuality for that matter.

And just to let you know Rhondab, I can see where you are coming from with wanting to protect Robin in all and I think that is admirable. No one wants to see her get in trouble with Prince or anyone, he obviously is not the sort of celebrtity that feels comfortable using his private life for publicity's sake, even I have read some stuff on here that made me think that Robin could get in some serious trouble with him, she does seem to lack a filter and seems to be quite an open book. I understand that some people do not have her best interest at heart so yes I agree that we should watch what we ask but Robin came here because she obviously wants to talk about her life and wants to say something. Should we just ignore her? I have to say I understand what you are trying to say but you come off as a little self rightious in your approach in wanting to protect her.

And Robin, I understand that alot of people, and alot of women, misunderstand you. You're sexuality and confidence can come across as very threating to alot of women but just keep blending sexuality and spirtuality and staying true to yourself because there are alot of women out there like me that understand where you are coming from.

babynoz said:

THANKYOU! GOD BLESS YOU!

Justin1972UK said:

AHHHHH THAT'S SO SWEEEEETTTT I AM GOING TO PUT MY MUSIC FOR SALE ON THE NEXT WEEK! MY NEW DOUBLE CD! TITLE FOR THE LOVERS I WILL LET YOU KNOW WHERE YOU CAN FIND IT! PLEASE EVERYONE SHOW ME YOUR SUPPORT! I NEED YOU! & GOD HAS GIVEN ME ALL THE LOVE & TALENT THAT I NEED! TO DO THE DAMMMMM THANG!!!! I WILL ALSO BE PROVIDING A P.O. BOX SO YOU CAN ORDER MY VIDEO SHOWS TITLE!!! NEVER JUDGE A BOOK BY IT'S COVER! AND I AM GOING TO GET MY OWN POWER ANGEL HOT LINE SO YOU ALL CAN CALL AND TALK TO ME! ONE ON ONE! SEEEEE GOD DID GIVE ME A NEW PLAN! AND AS ALWAYS I WILL CONTINUE TO SHAKE MY SEXY LITTLE ASS!!!!! AS LONG AS I CAN! AND THAT'S FOREVER LOVE FOREVER 8-)FOR ALWAYS & A DAY POWERBABY! LOOK OUT I'M COMING! GOD BLESS YALL
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Krystal666 said:

I LOVE PRINCE AND ALWAYS WILL AS MY FRIEND! I AM & HAVE ALWAYS SPOKE THE TRUTH FROM MY HEART! HE TAUGHT ME ALOT AND I AM GREATFULL FOR THAT! HE IS IN MY HEART AND ALWAYS WILL BE & BUT THE TRUTH IS THE TRUTH! THIS IS MY LIFE!

powerbaby said:

I know girl. We're listening...I think alot of us just don't want to see you get in trouble with him or get hurt by anybody. I think that is what Rhondab and ottenson were driving at. But you're life is very facinating and you and your life have alot to teach others. Keep on doing the damn thing the Power way!

powerbaby said:

I just finished my own Bible study of the book of John (I'd say it is my favorite gospel), so I went and looked up John 8:7. I guess that scripture is probably befitting for how you are feeling from some of this backlash. I hope I never hurt your feelings (or anyone elses ever for that matter here on this board or anywhere). I guess it's hard to get across with typing what you want to tell people in person.

powerbaby said:

I'm not religious but, finally, something to which I can truly say "Praise the Lord!".


PS This wildly inappropriate comment was brought to you by SDN's Insensitive Sexist Pig Collective - annoying the righteous since 1969.

Hi. Once again thanks for sticking around here even if things have gotten a little rough at times. If you don't mind my asking. do you and your daughter attend church? and if you do, what denomination is it?

dustysgirl said:

You know I find it very sad that anything against what somone has to say is considered bashlash or they are considered "haters" and the like. First of all, everyone is not going to agree, but that doesn't make them a demon or "against" you. Growth comes out of conflict. If there weren't people who didn't agree, then there is no way you can see yourself from all sides. How boring would your world be if everyone just listened to you, nodded their heads and went "yah-huh" with everything that you had to say say. People have said they don't agree with Robin's methods, but they have been respectful about it, I think. If she is going to put forth her story then she has to take the agreement with the disagreement.

Personally, Robin, I don't have a problem with you stripping or nudity for the matter. You have a beautiful body. I think the human body and sexuality is a beautiful thing and I hate that our world has degraded it so into something nasty and disgusting, because it isn't. However, I'm all for a woman's choice. If you love what you do and you respect yourself for it, then enjoy it and get what you can out of it. But when a woman says I strip and I hate it but that's all I can do to make ends meet, then I will tell her that you have choices.

To all, religion is a very delicate matter and everyone has a different idea of what God is and how God feels about certain subjects, especially christianity. When you present yourself as a highly "christian" individual and bible reader, but yet support a subject that many christians feel is taboo within that religion, then you have to be prepared that many will not agree with you. It doesn't mean that they are against you or are seeking to stop you from doing what you do. I don't get that anyone here wants to stop you on your mission to save the world, but be prepared that not all will agree with you. That's all. It isn't worth turning it into a "me against the world thing" like you're being persecuted.

I'm not Christian. I don't believe in the Bible, I am of a whole nother mother, but that's me. I believe truth is a pathless land. I don't seek to go out into the world and criticize people because they don't share my belief nor do I consider my faith a debatable topic. I work side by side with Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, etc. and if you're out there trying to help people, then that's all that matters. I support you on this, Robin.

I frankly don't care what anybody wrote before this and how everybody was Prince fishing, the point is, I felt in my lowly opinion, that this was getting out of control, this thread got way off the subject of Prince and into sexual abuse and pain. I saw a sistah needing some guidance just as a few others did and I wrote what I felt from my heart. Living in this world is not about ass scratching people to sacred oblivion. The friends I have in my space right now are not all these folks giving me warm noogies on the top of the head. They tell me like it is and they kick my ass when I get out of line and I own my shit, because I do get out of line from time to time. This whole Internet thing has gotten sick because everybody wants support and no constructive criticism. The minute someone says something someone doesn't want to hear everyone divides up on sides and draw a field like they're fighting a world war and the person wants to play "I'm so persecuted" game. I don't play that.

This is to anybody in general: You want to save the world, you save yourself first. You can't save a soul if you have personal issues you have not come to terms with because you will FAIL. You will crash face first into the dirt and spit on by the very people you call yourself trying to save. We are here on this planet to learn. We are here for our own soul evolution. Our experiences have happened to us for us to rise above them. If you are still screaming about them from the mountaintops then you have not risen above them. You cannot save people. You can show them the way, but they have to do the work. That's the way it's always been and the way it always will be. You can make a difference though. When you begin to do the work on yourself, when you close your eyes and travel deep within and be able to look at your true face in the mirror that's when it begins. It isn't growing up in the ghetto, it isn't getting sexually abused, it isn't getting evicted. It's nothing on the outside. Hardships isn't it. It's looking at your core self underneath your ego and all the bullshit you project out into the world. And we all have bullshit. When you can say that statement and own it, I mean own it and take responsibility for all that is you, then you have looked in the mirror. That's when you can see yourself as just as you are. Not good, not bad, just AM. When you start crying and making excuses and blaming other people, you have not done the work and the only thing you can save is a beetle from getting crushed.

If you think I'm talking shit or I'm against you or I'm a hater just trying to keep a girl down, then disregard this and keep stepping and do your thing. I'm only planting a seed as was planted in me a long time ago.

LQ

Krystal666 said:

What a pointed and well thought out response, K666.

However, I'm confused as to how woman's being sexually confident is threatening to other women, as it is not to any of the evolved, adult women that I know. .

Your comment comes across as a dig at women who simply want to support the idea that you don't have to place yourself in a degrading or psychologically inauthentic environment to pay bills....however it was intended

Krystal666 said:

There is most certainly much to be explored and learned from here; issues of love, pain, abuse, self-esteem, purity of heart and intention, the predatory nature of humans (in both child and adulthood), the power of expression/ testimony, clarity, emergence, and others. It's almost like a big old cauldron of sorts, just buuuuubbling over with a kind of psycho-spiritual intensity that has yet to be matched on any thread I've ever seen on this site . I will add, however K666, that what I was "driving at" in my prior posts is self-explanatory. No spinning or further interpretation warranted, though thank you for trying!
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LadyQ said:

That is the truth! This is the last I'm going to say regarding this on this thread, since this isn't in the P & R forum, but I try not to comment too much on religious threads because some people freak out!

I commented once about how Donnie McClurkin feels that he was "delivered from his sin of homosexuality," as written about in his autobiography, and some people jumped all over me, saying homosexuality is not a sin and all that. I was just repeating what McClurkin said about his own self.

This thread was originally started by Robin to ask her questions and what not, and when it started to turn quite personal, some of us had to step up on our soapbox (me included). Oh, well. I guess that is one of the points of internet forums, right? To conversate and debate.

I wanted to tell Robin a couple of things that I did not want ripped to shreds on here, so I orgnoted her. But since I never got response, I don't know if she ever even read them.

Ottensen said:

Why thank you...sometimes I have problems communicating exactly what I mean so I'm glad my message was clear.

As for digging at the women who think that stripping is immoral and degrading...I wasn't trying to diss them...that is fine if you find it degrading but don't assume that every woman feels that way. Sometimes it can be fun, and sometimes honestly you can get really turned on doing it too, some of the men are actually pretty sexy believe it or not, and then other nights you remember how much better you are that "this place" and you remember the irony of the situation of you going up to some man you wouldn't even talk to in reality and there you are asking him to take your clothes off for HIM!!. Obviously Robin didn't like it but think about the guts it takes to do something like that and the education in itself it is. She now knows it's not for her but at least she can say she did it...if anything it sure is an experience.

And with sexual women that feel good about their sexuality, yes I'm sorry but ALOT of women are threatened by that. I know cuz when I was a teenager I used act like a militant feminist and relished in believing that all strippers, porn stars, whatever were being degraded by a male biased society but in truth I secretly wished I could be that confident and open with my sexuality...I was so shy and a little bit of a tomboy and I always longed to have men look at me the way they look at really sexy girls. For one thing I think since I started dancing I really blossomed into a woman, learned how to flirt with men and it really feels right to me being very feminine and acting sexual. I think alot of women that rail against strippers and such deep down wish they could have the confidence to get up in front of a whole bunch of strangers and take off their clothes or go up to strange men and flirt with them. Robin feels good about herself and her sexuality and she just has that type of body that excites men...other women can be very jealous of that.

Also when Robin said she tried dancing and I said "Tell us about it" I didn't mean "Spill your guts out on this public message board so we can all judge you and gossip about you" I just felt like she wanted to speak about it so I just asked a question in which to get her to elaborate on it because the woman likes to speak her mind and I wanted to let her know that we were here and she wasn't just talking to herself. I certainly wasn't trying to make it sound like stipping was super cool and any woman strapped for cash should run to here nearest Gentelman's club even though she finds it degrading. I just said that I could see Robin doing it because A she's really sexy, B she knows how to talk to guys, and C she is REALLY strong and wouldn't shrivel up and die when she had to deal with the rejection that comes along with the job.

Krystal666 said:

No worries, BELOVED. Your point has been communicated exactly as you intended and your message has never been clearer .

Actually K666,
I also see a little change in your tone, for the better actually.


I know what Robin is talking about because, as I've stated, I've been there and done that. I know what its like to think your power is in your body and sexuality. I could tell you many, many, many stories about me and my sexual "strength ". I use to have men tell me that my eyes spoke of sex. Don't think I don't understand all of this babble. I get it COMPLETELY. I just realized that my body isn't my power, my mind is. I'm more powerful clothed AND even more sexy. I'm not separate from you and Robin. I'm with you. I'm not even trying to protect her but just saying...wake up sista. This is all looking really insane.

I've yet to see anyone state that women shouldn't feel sexy or be confident in their sexuality. Be sexy! And I'm glad that you've come into your own as far as understanding your sexuality. You're right so many women don't understand it but there is a line and limit to everything.

I don't down or dog strippers, etc. I use to do outreach with strippers to protect them. I keep stating, I get it.



As for coming off self-righteous, I really don't have a response to that. All I can see, I'm sorry you see it this way.

Your body is your body. Of course, do what you will. I just don't support exploitation of women regardless of the woman has bought into it as some empowering stance in which you and Robin have. I have FRIENDS who are currently prostitutes and they have bought into this empowerment thing in what they are doing. We disagree. The don't find me self-righeous and they do see my point.

Sexuality IS a beautiful thing because it comes from God but it also can be an unhealthy thing as well depending on the mindset of the person.

As for being narrow minded spiritually, well Jesus said that the way is narrow which means there's a direct path, and mindset that needs to be followed. I recalled hearing Erykah Badu say that there's not your path or my path or this path or that path. There's one path to the Divine. I'm narrow minded because even though there is LIBERATION in the Word and in the love of God, he definitely has one path. So, I don't find your comment negative. I am narrow-minded spiritually.

Its easy to use some aspects of the Word of God and not others but that's definitely another thread AND is something WE ALL DO to justify what choices we make including me. So we can holla to the hills how much we love the Lawd, doesn't mean we're on the right path as far as our justifying what choices we are making. We all need to renew our minds daily and we all need to reevaluate our choices and decisions, daily.

Just because someone feels good about what they are doing still doesn't mean they should be doing it. That doesn't make things right. "do what feels good to ya" isn't the way. I'm sorry. I don't retract one word or phrase I've stated on this thread to you or Robin. I really is all done in love for my sistas.

And to Robin, Who cares about Prince shaking his ass? Because I don't mention what some narcasstic, ego tripping man does that mean, I'm ungodly? There's been a double standard since creation began. So, you feel more empowered because you get to shake your ass like Prince, like a man?

What you want me to do is go, "You go Powerbaby, shake your ass, make your money...do the damn thing girl!"

I see your strength in your survival. I know that opinions are like...blah, blah, blah...its all about how we see ourvelves that matters.



Sorry, I'll pass ma. I said before, I have your back. Nothing has changed.

I simply state that its obvious that I see things differently. I'll keep empowering women in a different manner and you do it the way you feel best.


ya'll

Ottensen said:

Good. I'm glad we are all on the same page now. I'm really glad I didn't run off in a huff and took the time to explain myself because now I think we all understand eachother.

Isn't resolving conflict FUN!

Robin, I really feel for you and the situation that you are in at the moment. I really hope that you get everything that you hope for and need and that it comes to you soon.