sosgemini said:

thank you for clearing that up. yea diss her clothes, her music whateva thats fair game.
this thread was a low blow though have to call it like i see it.

sosgemini said:

Dang that is funny! and the truth!

sosgemini said:

sorry but vanity gets more props than cat on here and Vanity is slightly lighter than Cat. also i think that vanity gets more love as well because she is more exotic and was oversexed than Cat was.

as far as noni I read from a poster months ago that flatout said nona was ugly yet praise those twins and DJ Rashida in the same sentence. I also read other posters also said straight up Noni is ugly.

all i know is that on the org that Prince's lighter skinned associates gets more love on here. I been here for 10 years and I seen a lot.
of course no one isn't going say, I like Jill Jones or Vanity because they are light skinned. that is public suicide! but it just one of those things that you notice.


and some people maybe be hypersensitive as you called it because they know how it is not to be consider beautiful because being dark-skinned due to ongoing European standard beauty preference. this just dont happen in black but also latin and even asian communities that light is better. i see all of it firsthand. Tamar and and that dancer in Prince's Black Sweat video who is beautiful as well gets trash more on here than like DJ Rasida or Vanity and Apples.

i am out for now
[Edited 7/26/06 11:00am]

ladygirl99 said:

Thank you ladygirl.

I wonder why this thread didn't get locked. Someone started a thread in PM&M saying that Mani wasn't that attractive and it was locked, but an entire thread dedicated to Tamar's "problem' can continue to exist.

yep - and to be honest I can't believe the mods have let this one continue! Tamar is beautiful and perhaps the thread originater is just jealous.

And the comment about FAS is just plain nasty and low but I gues we are getting an insight into the source.

Duggs said:

Voidra said:

whats FAS?

sosgemini said:

Fetal Alcohol Syndrome

Hmmm...actually I think Tamar is rather attractive...she may not look like Vanity but she really does have a pretty face...expecially in person...

Graycap23 said:

See Gray, don't be surprised at some of the remarks from some of the "so-called" fans of Prince. Funny how the truth always comes out on the forums isn't it? I think you know where I'm going with this but of course the mods will delete it again if I mention it. There's nothing wrong with Tamar, those that comment on her looks are extremely jealous becaues she's a (blank blank), and that's all there is to it, point blank.
[Edited 8/1/06 14:01pm]

Graycap23 said:

Some of these comments of Tamar from some of these fans don't surprise me one bit, nothing new. She'll be fine.

Question said:

Uh-oh better watch that, the mods have been snippin away if anything regarding "race" is mentioned. Nothing wrong with Tamar, let them make their silly comments, doesn't matter, nothing but jealousy anyway. None of these offensive comments that's being posted will stop her from progressing in her career anyway. She'll be just fine.
[Edited 8/1/06 13:44pm]

ladygirl99 said:

I can't believe the mods let these posts stand since it's talking about "skin color". Shocking it can be discussed here. The bottom line is, that is how this world thinks, and yes you are right, members on the official and unofficial sites insulted the girl in the Black Sweat Video. I've seen countless of insults circulating about Cat, Nona Gaye, Mani and now Tamar. Seems to be a trend of jealousy among fans when a "Black Woman" or one who has those characteristics goes anywhere near Prince. It's all jealousy whether admitted or not and I'm sure he knows it.

But you know what, it's good that you see members for who they really are with the comments they make, so that when you sit next to them at a concert you'll know what they are really all about.

Complexion will always be a big deal among whatever female is around Prince publically, but I really don't think he cares how fans feel about it because it's not our choice who he associates with.

(Now if this post lasts over 10 minutes and not get deleted it will be a miracle Talking about race is part of life no matter how bad it gets at times)
[Edited 8/1/06 14:00pm]
[Edited 8/1/06 15:02pm]

silverandgold said:[quote]

ladygirl99 said:

BSK3601 said:

i cant speak for who's mod'ing the threads you all are talking about but could it be that those threads get totally "jacked" and the discussions become more about race (which belong in p&r) than the subject at hand...i think this thread is a perfect example of a thread that has stayed fairly on topic with race being a "minor" compliment to the original topic. hence the thread remaining open.

and folks, people are going to have differing views then you...isnt that was so wonderful about online forums as this? we all get to share our views?
[Edited 8/1/06 18:01pm]

silverandgold said:

Hmm...well, being a fan of Prince does not equate being a fan of Tamar; or, just because we like Prince doesn't mean we have to like Tamar. It doesn't go hand-in-hand like that, especially when she just came into the picture. Many of us like and appreciate her talent so far. Some are irritated at the sight of her on stage, and her style (looks, voice, clothing,etc) just isn't appealing to every Prince fan, and it's not going to be. That doesn't make them "so-called" fans of Prince however. Tamar is not that established just yet anyway, and is still just another "protege" to most at the moment. But Prince is going to be well respected by his fans no matter what happens with Tamar's career. Personally, when I read about her or listen to her music, Prince doesn't even come into thought. She may be associated, like so many others, but she has nothing to do with the love and respect I feel for him.


Even though I don't think all negative comments about people's looks are based on jealousy, people still shouldn't make fun of Tamar's natural appearance. Like anyone, that's very disrespectful to her, not as an artist, but as a human being. She has her own unique physical features, like everyone. And cruel statements about her face are not necessary.

WaterInYourBath said:

I don't think silverandgold's post has anything to do with anyone being a fan of Tamar. I think her post speaks to individuals that call themselves fans of an artist that built their career around racial harmony and love4oneanother but then turn around and make racially offensive comments about his associates looks...then show up at his concert like they are down with what he's all about.

It is very obvious that many have a problem with Tamar being a protege of Prince's because of the way she that looks ...dark-skin with traditional African features and because she has a sexy role. I think people would have less problems with her looks if she played a role like Boni or Rosie, singing and playing the keyboard. However, Prince has her next to him shaking it up just like the twins in sexy clothing. Someone that looks like Tamar has never played that type of role in Prince's world and some people are freaking out about it.
[Edited 8/1/06 20:00pm]

WaterInYourBath said:

but thats the glory of this website...folks are free to share their views on the subject (ie prince or in this case tamar)...the issue is that folks arent willing to agree to disagree and they turn the debate personal (ie, going after folks for their views...)

if we all kept the topic on the subject (ie prince & tamar) then we wouldnt get folks (on both sides) feeling all frustrated about each other's opinions.

IMHO.

PurpleCharm said:

but dont those folks have the right to share how they feel? as much as we disagree with them?

sosgemini said:

Yes, but its also good to point out the REAL reason some people don't like Tamar, especially when they will never admit that reason.

wonder505 said:

but you cant prove what other's are thinking...and that in turn either turns into folks baiting or flaming...its best just to be confident in our own views and let dying dogs lay...lie...lye.

sosgemini said:

Oh yeah. I agree. If people want to criticize about how Tamar's voice sounds, or her choice of clothing, or anything that they hear/see her do, then those people have the right to do so. She's in the public's eye now, and criticism is all part of the territory (People shouldn't dog her out though. What's the purpose?). Not everyone is going to like what she does, and that has nothing to do with those people being jealous of her being close to Prince, or whatever. We talk about the man himself, both positive and negative! That's the purpose of this site.....Discussion!

But to talk about how far apart her eyes are? Come on....U have to admit, that is wrong. I don't like that at all.

sosgemini said:

If you think it's ok for people to make racially offensive comments about Tamar or any other associate of P(Robin, Nona, Cat, etc), then I have nothing further to say to you on this subject.

PurpleCharm said:

That is REALLY jacked up. And to think this is a person who actually has the authority and certifaction to "nurture" young minds????

Layers of wrong.

PurpleCharm said:

i never said folks should be allowed to make racially offensive comments. and folks (for the most part) arent...if anyone makes a racist comment then report the damn post to the org moderators...but thats not whats going on here...

this is the common conversation in regards to tamar:

orger 1 says, "I dont like tamar...i think she is ugly".

orger 2 says, "your just a racist and dont like tamar because she is dark-skinned".

orger 3,4,5,6 say, "yes...orger 1 is just a racist".

ummm, hello hello hello? conjecture judge...conjecture... orger 1 has ever right to say they think that tamar is ugly...its an opinion...its the stuff that follows with folks implying intent that results in discussions turning racial...how the hell do you know orger 1s intent was?

and you know what? if someone is trolling and baiting folks with their tamar bashing then report that person to the org moderators and let them get rid of the person...but just because someone is saying, "tamar is ugly" doesnt mean they are baiting, trolling or a racist.

this whole racist stuff on this site is really getting out of hands...folks are being way way way too hypersensative.
[Edited 8/2/06 5:41am]

sosgemini said:

Yeah, but like I said before, had Tamar not have the physical characteristics she has and was one of the "usual" he's been seen with in the past dancing and shaking next to him, none of these threads would have been titled "Tamar's problem" okay. it would have been titled "Tamar, hot sexy and caramel with vanilla", get my drift?

Please don't play like it's not all about the fact that these threads and comments which some are not so nice, aren't based on the fact that she is a darker-skinned Black Women Prince is proudly, and let me stress that "P-R-O-U-D-L-Y introducing to the world as his protege, and if fans don't like, then that's just too damn bad now isn't it?.

Also, there is no reason why race can't be discussed here especially if you state folks have "differing views", so that means I and others defending Tamar have a right to give our opinions as to say why we think they feel that way about her regardless if it brings up the race factor, because the "race" factor has a lot to do with why many of them are making those insulting comments, I'm just bold enough to call them out on it and not beat around the damn bush, that's all.

silverandgold said:

1) sure we can discuss tamar and the race issue but *that* has to be discussed in the p&r forum...you want to address the "darkskinned" topic as it relates to her go right ahead and create a thread on it in the p&r.

2) i personally think the dislike of tamar is that some feel she is another larry graham...she is taking the spot that folks want to see prince in. the hit& & run shows were all about *her*...and folks are frustrated about that...just like they were frustrated to see prince concerts turn into mini sly reunions.

but whatever the case is, its a lot healthier to bring our own personal views to the table rather then making assumptions and turning discussions against each other...cause thats when the discussions end and folks end up just "talkin loud...while saying nothing."

now lets go play in the sunshine...deal?

PurpleCharm said:

Exactly, and there it is, why front knowing it irks the heck out of you seeing him with a black woman shaking her thang next to him then come to a Prince fan site and talk so bad about how she looks? Isn't it about the music or her talent? If you talked about the way she sings, that's one thing, but to talk about her skin color and why did he pick her as his protege that's not his usual type and blah, blah blah is another.

Then saying "oh he should have picked this caramel or vanilla flavored chick from the past and so you decide to post pictures of caramel/vanilla flavored females purposely because it annoys you that he didn't pick what you thought he should have as his protege. Now my comments are not race-baiting, but to make some of you aware that you pretty much come off as "silent racists." The kind of fan that shows it behind a computer screen but only "show your love4oneanother" side when you attend his concert.

If you're a Prince fan then you know he's really about the music, and he may have introduce you to some ladies with the physical features you're used to seeing in the past,and most of you accepted them with no problem, but now that the skin tone changed for his newest protege is no reason to start having hissy fits and making threads just to insult her,

(now if this post last for 5 minutes it will surely be a miracle)
[Edited 8/2/06 7:46am]

sosgemini said:

I'm sorry but your comment in # 2 made me laugh. I wonder if people felt that way when he tried to push Nikka Costa's career? Not hardly. Frustrated by the hit and run tours with Tamar? No way, I've been to 2 of those shows and I must say I loved it. Prince was very personal with his fans at both shows and played guitar entirely through both shows and sang some songs with her as well.

Fans just need to get used to the new Prince in town and stop trying to go back 20 something odd years wishing he could fulfill their "personal" fantasy so to speak. Apparently those type of fans have a void somebody else needs to fill, get over it, it's a new Prince in town, with a new protege and her name is "Tamar" Watch out now!

BSK3601 said:

, just keepin' it real, that's all.
[Edited 8/2/06 7:47am]