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PrintableGaryMF said: sonofblade said: I'm not a huge Andre fan or anything, but he did write all of Jody Watley's hits, which are a hella lot better than Uptown or party up. | |
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blackguitaristz said: sonofblade said: It was supposedly Partyup. But there are stories about half of the Dity Mind album regarding others writing the songs. The worst being Andre Cymone actually writing Uptown. Cymone has never written anything half as good so I am sure thats bullshit. The reason that the name "The Time" is not used is because I bet Prince owns it. That is why the name was "Morris Day and The Time" when they were on the road and making money independently of Prince. The first 4 albums are credited to The Time because Prince was over all of those. Its About Time is independent of Prince, NPG, Paisley Park or any other business Prince business connection - which would explain why it is Morris Day getting top billing with no mention of The Time. It may also explain why that album is so badly produced. Well, to chime in on this; Andre wrote the music to Uptown, not the lyrics. Andre bit the music from The Rolling Stones hit "Miss You" cuz he knew that P worshipped Mick. He had no intention on keeping the song for himself. What fucked it up for him was that P didn't give him co-writing credit, which is all Andre wanted in the first place. After Andre quit after the Dirty Mind tour, P went in and cut the music to "Do Me, Baby" which the music, the melody and parts of the lyrics was also written by Andre alone. The main reason P cut "Do Me, Baby" when he did was cuz he was pissed at Andre for quiting. "Do Me, Baby" is a cut Andre wrote when he and P was doing session work for Pepe Willie around 76. One of the main reasons Andre quit was because of P taking credit for full authorship on songs when in some cases, it was a joint effort. This happened to Dez as well. So, to add salt to Andre's wounds, P turned right back around and cut "Do Me, Baby". I cant say tat I believe any of that. Andre has proven questionable at best since leaving Prince. | |
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sosgemini said: yes..yes you can copyright jam sessions but that wasnt my point..my point was that members within the band would improvise during jams....prince would then take those ideas and incorporate them into songs...without permission.
Andre wasnt upfront. I have seen and read enough interviews with him where the question of the break with Prince has come up and not ONCE has he ever cited song writing credits. In fact, no other Prince associate has in print or on tape. And then, there is no evidence to back any of this up. For example if Andre had ever come up with anything half as good as Do Me , Baby or Uptown, I might give him the benefit of the doubt. Shit, the best song he ever recorded was given to him by Prince..What turns me off is that they complained about years later not getting the credit that they deserves but while they were with Prince they didn't seem bother by it and like WTF??
this just isnt the case..andre left right away..and he has always been upfront...sonny t and tommy b sued right after they left the npg. wendy & lisa have always been upfront about it....dr. fink has never had beef with not getting credit for his contributions..he was simply explaining the creative process in the housequake article...he isnt asking for anything. blind item comment: i know an associate was promised compensation from prince for prince's "borrowing" of others music....but when it came time to pay the check was never in the mail...that, IMHO, is admition on Prince's part. We can't expect this stuff to blow-up on the media....most of these kats are still working in the industry..they negotiate but its all kept private..because thats the smart way to handle your business..just like w&l did w/ power fantastic..the cd came out w/ only prince's name credited....then all of a sudden new cd's were made that credited w&l along with it...these things will proably continue to happen...but we aint gonna know about it... unless prince forgets to mail the check. | |
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