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Printablesextonseven said: BEAUGARDE said: 'Sometimes I Get Lonely' is Monte Moir joint not Jam & Lewis and is better than most of the songs on CD.
Right. Monte works for Flyte Tyme. Wrong Monte does not work for Flyte Tyme. He departed after the first Janet Jackson album. | |
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Prince does very well writing & producing Morris because Morris' character is based on a character in Prince's mind. Morris' character is a BIG part of The Time. And maybe Morris has a hard time releasing the character without Prince. Has any1 seen Morris in various TV shows & movies, the character always seems 2b trying 2 hard 2b cool & funny, not quite the character from The Time's CDs, but an exageration. Morris D. Day is the king of Cool and a P.I.M.P.  |
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BEAUGARDE said: DavidEye said: Actually,the title track was planned as the second single but at the last minute,Warners chose "Chocolate" instead.They should have went with their earlier choice,because "Chocolate" bombed as a single. Do U really think Pandemonium would have done better? Maybe they sould have picked Donald Trump (Black Version) or Sometimes I Get Lonely. I just think if wasn't 4 the rotten remixed video for Chocolate, it would have done better. I think "Pandemonium" (the title track) is a solid jam.As a single,I think it would have done much better than "Chocolate",a silly,gimmicky track that sounded out-of-date in 1990 (in 1982,it probably would have been a smash). "Sometimes I Get Lonely" would have made a great single.It's sorta like a sequel to their 1982 hit "Gigolos Get Lonely Too". | |
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BEAUGARDE said: What I meant was the singles that were released were the Prince songs, so what was the purpose of insisting that Jam, Lewis & Jesse were included on this production. Most of The Time's Cds are just Prince & Morris anyways. Jam & Lewis never wrote for The Time before, Morris Day maybe but not The Time. Daydreaming was the worst Cd for Morris (produced by Jam & Lewis) up until Pandemonium. So again, what was the purpose of Jam & Lewis? I understand what you're saying and I actually agree with much of it,but let's be real.Prince's controlling ways is what tore the band apart in the first place.With 'Pandemonium',he was willing to step back and let the guys in the band (Jam and Lewis,Jesse,Monte,etc) contribute their own songs and ideas.If he had done the entire album by himself (writing and producing all the songs),it is unlikely that the reunion could have taken place and let's face it,the Time without Jam and Lewis is useless. As for 'Daydreaming'....Jam and Lewis did not produce the entire album,they only produced the two best songs ("Fishnet" and "Love Is A Game").I agree with you,the album sucks for the most part,but you can't blame Jam and Lewis.Their two contributions are the albums's highlights. | |
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sluvah said: sextonseven said: Right. Monte works for Flyte Tyme. Wrong Monte does not work for Flyte Tyme. He departed after the first Janet Jackson album. "Sometimes I Get Lonely" was still published by Flyte Tyme. According to Jam & Lewis' site, Monte is listed as the writer with Jimmy and Terry. | |
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DavidEye said: BEAUGARDE said: Warners should have stayed out of it. The Time was a Paisley Park group and the songs that were released as singles were the Prince tracks anyways. 'Chocolate' would have done better if they hadn't remixed the video like they did.(another remixed Prince penned jam was Patti LaBelle's 'Yo Mister')
I think "Chocolate" was a poor choice for a single.A better follow-up to "Jerkout" would have been the title track ("Pandemonium") or "It's Your World". I TOTALLY agree. SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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Everyone who posted on this thread has good valid points. I agree with a lot of them. Overall, Dave hit it on the head when it came to P's control. Sure, although Andre was the one who originally came up with the idea of them (Andre and P) producing The Time. Andre said P, at first, didn't even want to get involved with the project. Andre wanted a vehicle for more of his material to get out and make some money. Much like the premise of The Rebels. U see that didn't last. Once P started to see what Andre was doing, THEN P jumped in and took over, writing MOST of the material. Of course, the lyrics to "The Stick" is Lisa's and "After Hi School" is completely Dez's. Like "Do Me, Baby" is Andre's cut, "Girl" was a cut Andre had since 79. P retooled it with some new lyrics. So, again, it came down to control. I think it was very cool and smart of WB to insist that Jessie, who had good success as a solo artist and Terry and Jimmy, who had BLOWN UP producing Janet's "Control" album, should be involved on the album. They knew The Time with the o.g. members would sell a lot more than without them. Especially with those 3. P knew it knew too. SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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As always, BG, u have some cool anecdotes to share! I didn't know that 'dre wrote "Girl"... My author page: https://www.amazon.com/au...eretttruth | |
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I didn't know that Andre originally wrote 'Do Me Baby.' Great song. But it wouldn't be the same without Prince's falsetto. Speaking of Dez, was there ever a Modernaire album? Remember he had that brief cameo in Purple Rain and it was rumored he had a Modernaire album. But if it existed, it never hit the streets. All I was able to find on Dez was a Oneman cd. Anybody heard it? Is it any good? | |
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brothaluv said: I didn't know that Andre originally wrote 'Do Me Baby.' Great song. But it wouldn't be the same without Prince's falsetto. Speaking of Dez, was there ever a Modernaire album? Remember he had that brief cameo in Purple Rain and it was rumored he had a Modernaire album. But if it existed, it never hit the streets. All I was able to find on Dez was a Oneman cd. Anybody heard it? Is it any good?
i don´t think there was a modernaire album, but he released this year a collection of his work. even the 80ies stuff- like modernaire, is innit. | |
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So Urban have you listened to Dez's cd and if so, was it any good? As for Corporate World versus Pandemonium, I"m going to have to side with Corporate World. I've never heard it. But I like all the other Time albums that Prince produced. I thought Pandemonium was cool. But it lacked something. "Somtimes I get lonely" was a great ballad though. Perfect for Morris Day's limited vocal skills... | |
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DavidEye said: BEAUGARDE said: If Warners cares so much about The Time where is their 'greatest hits' or 'best of'? A greatest hits CD by the Time is long overdue.I can't believe that there isn't a compilation by now. It was suppose to come out in the late 90's on Rhino somebody put a stop to it | |
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Rhastus said: DavidEye said: A greatest hits CD by the Time is long overdue.I can't believe that there isn't a compilation by now. It was suppose to come out in the late 90's on Rhino somebody put a stop to it I wonder who that "somebody" was?   | |
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blackguitaristz said: Everyone who posted on this thread has good valid points. I agree with a lot of them. Overall, Dave hit it on the head when it came to P's control. Sure, although Andre was the one who originally came up with the idea of them (Andre and P) producing The Time. Andre said P, at first, didn't even want to get involved with the project. Andre wanted a vehicle for more of his material to get out and make some money. Much like the premise of The Rebels. U see that didn't last. Once P started to see what Andre was doing, THEN P jumped in and took over, writing MOST of the material. Of course, the lyrics to "The Stick" is Lisa's and "After Hi School" is completely Dez's. Like "Do Me, Baby" is Andre's cut, "Girl" was a cut Andre had since 79. P retooled it with some new lyrics. So, again, it came down to control. I think it was very cool and smart of WB to insist that Jessie, who had good success as a solo artist and Terry and Jimmy, who had BLOWN UP producing Janet's "Control" album, should be involved on the album. They knew The Time with the o.g. members would sell a lot more than without them. Especially with those 3. P knew it knew too.
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Murph Drag was released by NPGMC a few years ago as one of the monthly downloads. I burned it on CD-R.
In fact, I have the original Corporate World album on CD-R as well. It is a nice peice of work. | |
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DavidEye said: BEAUGARDE said: What I meant was the singles that were released were the Prince songs, so what was the purpose of insisting that Jam, Lewis & Jesse were included on this production. Most of The Time's Cds are just Prince & Morris anyways. Jam & Lewis never wrote for The Time before, Morris Day maybe but not The Time. Daydreaming was the worst Cd for Morris (produced by Jam & Lewis) up until Pandemonium. So again, what was the purpose of Jam & Lewis? I understand what you're saying and I actually agree with much of it,but let's be real.Prince's controlling ways is what tore the band apart in the first place.With 'Pandemonium',he was willing to step back and let the guys in the band (Jam and Lewis,Jesse,Monte,etc) contribute their own songs and ideas.If he had done the entire album by himself (writing and producing all the songs),it is unlikely that the reunion could have taken place and let's face it,the Time without Jam and Lewis is useless. As for 'Daydreaming'....Jam and Lewis did not produce the entire album,they only produced the two best songs ("Fishnet" and "Love Is A Game").I agree with you,the album sucks for the most part,but you can't blame Jam and Lewis.Their two contributions are the albums's highlights. Jesse and Morris made more of a contribution than Jam or Lewis. Jam & Lewis R great producers but let's not stupid about this |
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BEAUGARDE said: DavidEye said: I understand what you're saying and I actually agree with much of it,but let's be real.Prince's controlling ways is what tore the band apart in the first place.With 'Pandemonium',he was willing to step back and let the guys in the band (Jam and Lewis,Jesse,Monte,etc) contribute their own songs and ideas.If he had done the entire album by himself (writing and producing all the songs),it is unlikely that the reunion could have taken place and let's face it,the Time without Jam and Lewis is useless. As for 'Daydreaming'....Jam and Lewis did not produce the entire album,they only produced the two best songs ("Fishnet" and "Love Is A Game").I agree with you,the album sucks for the most part,but you can't blame Jam and Lewis.Their two contributions are the albums's highlights. Jesse and Morris made more of a contribution than Jam or Lewis. Jam & Lewis R great producers but let's not stupid about this actually they weren't on any of the Time albums until Pandemonium Ice cream castles wasn't the highest charting album, but it did sell the most copies | |
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sonofblade said: blackguitaristz said: Everyone who posted on this thread has good valid points. I agree with a lot of them. Overall, Dave hit it on the head when it came to P's control. Sure, although Andre was the one who originally came up with the idea of them (Andre and P) producing The Time. Andre said P, at first, didn't even want to get involved with the project. Andre wanted a vehicle for more of his material to get out and make some money. Much like the premise of The Rebels. U see that didn't last. Once P started to see what Andre was doing, THEN P jumped in and took over, writing MOST of the material. Of course, the lyrics to "The Stick" is Lisa's and "After Hi School" is completely Dez's. Like "Do Me, Baby" is Andre's cut, "Girl" was a cut Andre had since 79. P retooled it with some new lyrics. So, again, it came down to control. I think it was very cool and smart of WB to insist that Jessie, who had good success as a solo artist and Terry and Jimmy, who had BLOWN UP producing Janet's "Control" album, should be involved on the album. They knew The Time with the o.g. members would sell a lot more than without them. Especially with those 3. P knew it knew too.
No way is Do Me Baby an Andre Cymone song Go back and reread some Prince history and you'll see what transpired over that song. My author page: https://www.amazon.com/au...eretttruth | |
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OMG y'all... both peeps/groups are talented. Prince is FAB, The Time is FAB
so pls. stop arguing! *lol* Nasty girls, dance, dance, DANCE! | |
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BEAUGARDE said: DavidEye said: I understand what you're saying and I actually agree with much of it,but let's be real.Prince's controlling ways is what tore the band apart in the first place.With 'Pandemonium',he was willing to step back and let the guys in the band (Jam and Lewis,Jesse,Monte,etc) contribute their own songs and ideas.If he had done the entire album by himself (writing and producing all the songs),it is unlikely that the reunion could have taken place and let's face it,the Time without Jam and Lewis is useless. As for 'Daydreaming'....Jam and Lewis did not produce the entire album,they only produced the two best songs ("Fishnet" and "Love Is A Game").I agree with you,the album sucks for the most part,but you can't blame Jam and Lewis.Their two contributions are the albums's highlights. Jesse and Morris made more of a contribution than Jam or Lewis. Jam & Lewis R great producers but let's not stupid about this You're downplaying Jam and Lewis' role in the Time.Morris and Jesse have both said that,when Prince fired Jam and Lewis in 1983,they knew that the band would never be the same.That's why there was no Time tour in 1984.Morris and Jesse didn't wanna tour without two of the core members (J&L) in the band.None of us know who really contributed ideas to the studio recordings,but as a live act,The Time is nothing without Jam and Lewis. | |
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sonofblade said: blackguitaristz said: Everyone who posted on this thread has good valid points. I agree with a lot of them. Overall, Dave hit it on the head when it came to P's control. Sure, although Andre was the one who originally came up with the idea of them (Andre and P) producing The Time. Andre said P, at first, didn't even want to get involved with the project. Andre wanted a vehicle for more of his material to get out and make some money. Much like the premise of The Rebels. U see that didn't last. Once P started to see what Andre was doing, THEN P jumped in and took over, writing MOST of the material. Of course, the lyrics to "The Stick" is Lisa's and "After Hi School" is completely Dez's. Like "Do Me, Baby" is Andre's cut, "Girl" was a cut Andre had since 79. P retooled it with some new lyrics. So, again, it came down to control. I think it was very cool and smart of WB to insist that Jessie, who had good success as a solo artist and Terry and Jimmy, who had BLOWN UP producing Janet's "Control" album, should be involved on the album. They knew The Time with the o.g. members would sell a lot more than without them. Especially with those 3. P knew it knew too.
No way is Do Me Baby an Andre Cymone song Pepe Willie has confirmed that "Do Me Baby" is an Andre Cymone composition.In 1979,he heard Andre playing it on piano. [Edited 11/3/05 5:15am] | |
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Rhastus said: BEAUGARDE said: The Time without Jam & Lewis is worthless! R U out of your mind?! B4 Pandemonium Jam & Lewis is on 1 of The Time's CD. And it wasn't their most successful (Ice Cream Castles) either
Jesse and Morris made more of a contribution than Jam or Lewis. Jam & Lewis R great producers but let's not stupid about this actually they weren't on any of the Time albums until Pandemonium Ice cream castles wasn't the highest charting album, but it did sell the most copies They (Jam & Lewis) are on What Time Is It? Morris is clearling talking 2 Terry in 'The Walk'. And I never said anything about the highest charting album, I said most sucessful. |
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DavidEye said: BEAUGARDE said: The Time without Jam & Lewis is worthless! R U out of your mind?! B4 Pandemonium Jam & Lewis is on 1 of The Time's CD. And it wasn't their most successful (Ice Cream Castles) either
Jesse and Morris made more of a contribution than Jam or Lewis. Jam & Lewis R great producers but let's not stupid about this You're downplaying Jam and Lewis' role in the Time.Morris and Jesse have both said that,when Prince fired Jam and Lewis in 1983,they knew that the band would never be the same.That's why there was no Time tour in 1984.Morris and Jesse didn't wanna tour without two of the core members (J&L) in the band.None of us know who really contributed ideas to the studio recordings,but as a live act,The Time is nothing without Jam and Lewis. If I remember correctly Jesse said he would stay as long as Morris stayed. Morris left and Prince offered Jesse the lead position and we all know what came next, their solo careers. And if U ask me they were still singing Prince songs. It's funny now, isn't Morris running around with his fake ass version of The Time (still with no Jam & Lewis) now and where the hell is Jesse? But your right as a live band they were by far better than any band! I wonder why Morris & Jesse felt that way, it's not like they were apart of Flyte Tyme. They were added to group by Prince. That's who they came 2 work with (for). |
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BEAUGARDE said: DavidEye said: You're downplaying Jam and Lewis' role in the Time.Morris and Jesse have both said that,when Prince fired Jam and Lewis in 1983,they knew that the band would never be the same.That's why there was no Time tour in 1984.Morris and Jesse didn't wanna tour without two of the core members (J&L) in the band.None of us know who really contributed ideas to the studio recordings,but as a live act,The Time is nothing without Jam and Lewis. If I remember correctly Jesse said he would stay as long as Morris stayed. Morris left and Prince offered Jesse the lead position and we all know what came next, their solo careers. And if U ask me they were still singing Prince songs. It's funny now, isn't Morris running around with his fake ass version of The Time (still with no Jam & Lewis) now and where the hell is Jesse? But your right as a live band they were by far better than any band! I wonder why Morris & Jesse felt that way, it's not like they were apart of Flyte Tyme. They were added to group by Prince. That's who they came 2 work with (for). U must not be a musician, 'cause if you've ever been in a band, regardless of when you were added, you form a certain bond that can be hard, if not impossible , to replace. Believe me, it's not a good feeling. Sometimes, it's all about chemistry. For instance, people still remember the chemistry Prince had with Dez, Wendy and Lisa, and Andre, even though they're long gone. The original Time had that chemistry with each other, built from personal as well as musical experiences. Sometimes, people just vibe with each other - it doesn't come around often... My author page: https://www.amazon.com/au...eretttruth | |
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I'm sure that's true but again my point is didn't they know the deal? Jesse heard about Prince and wanted 2 work with him and got the chance and Morris already knew what deal was when he joined the band, right? I think Morris just got big headed! |
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BEAUGARDE said: Rhastus said: actually they weren't on any of the Time albums until Pandemonium Ice cream castles wasn't the highest charting album, but it did sell the most copies They (Jam & Lewis) are on What Time Is It? Morris is clearling talking 2 Terry in 'The Walk'. And I never said anything about the highest charting album, I said most sucessful. You may hear Terry's vocals on that album, but Prince recorded all the music. The first album that actually had someone besides Prince play an instrument was 'Ice Cream Castle'. | |
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sextonseven said: BEAUGARDE said: They (Jam & Lewis) are on What Time Is It? Morris is clearling talking 2 Terry in 'The Walk'. And I never said anything about the highest charting album, I said most sucessful. You may hear Terry's vocals on that album, but Prince recorded all the music. The first album that actually had someone besides Prince play an instrument was 'Ice Cream Castle'. What about the guitar solo in 777-9311? Sounds more like Jesse than Prince. And if the original members weren't on this album then I just lost all respect 4 The Time. |
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BEAUGARDE said: sextonseven said: You may hear Terry's vocals on that album, but Prince recorded all the music. The first album that actually had someone besides Prince play an instrument was 'Ice Cream Castle'. What about the guitar solo in 777-9311? Sounds more like Jesse than Prince. And if the original members weren't on this album then I just lost all respect 4 The Time. The guitar solo on "777-9311" is Prince imitating Jesse. I was disappointed when I first found out also. | |
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sextonseven said: BEAUGARDE said: What about the guitar solo in 777-9311? Sounds more like Jesse than Prince. And if the original members weren't on this album then I just lost all respect 4 The Time. The guitar solo on "777-9311" is Prince imitating Jesse. I was disappointed when I first found out also. Well P rocked that shit and Jesse can go 2 hell. Well The Time ain't shit then. Now I'm really gonna let loose on The Time members in future threads. |
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sextonseven said: BEAUGARDE said: They (Jam & Lewis) are on What Time Is It? Morris is clearling talking 2 Terry in 'The Walk'. And I never said anything about the highest charting album, I said most sucessful. You may hear Terry's vocals on that album, but Prince recorded all the music. The first album that actually had someone besides Prince play an instrument was 'Ice Cream Castle'. DAYUM! i didn´t know that- hell no! that´s too much, somebody slap me and tell me it´s a dream. | |
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