The beautiful women I interviewed for my documentary ALL had insecurities about their looks. The former Mrs. Missouri was labeled "plain" growing up and although she blossomed in college, she can't even leave the house to grocery shop without her makeup on. I believe she joined a beauty contest for reassurance. The other women believed they are beautiful not because they themselves see it in the mirror, but because they have heard others say they are. In other words, being beautiful to them is an abstract concept based on what others tell them.

There you go with my shameless plug, Krystal.

So now it's time for Bassdame and UptownDame to resume their stories! Gals?

Well, the only real "player" in the group was Robin. The calls for other Dames were legit boyfriends or just male friends. These calls sounded normal by themselves. But in the context of all the other calls, it sounded funny - like a collection of males - one after another after another after another. I think what I consider naughty on our part was laughing at the answering machine. Aside from Robin, it was all innocent.

So I can't answer your question about being a player - I myself can't imagine how anyone can have the energy to juggle people like that. I would imagine Prince would have been jealous - I don't know if he knew or not.

The closest I got to a date was taking a long car ride with one of the Paisley Park engineers. His name was Paul I think. He asked me out and I said I had a boyfriend. He asked if we could just be friends and could he just take me for a ride around town. I was stressed out and needed a break and I said yes as long as he understood we'd just be friends. It turned out to be cool like that.

I learned from him some insider Paisley Park stuff. The most significant secret I learned was that nobody took Prince's protege acts seriously. They were all a joke to them. He liked me however because I seemed like a serious musician who was all about the music rather than just shaking my booty around.

I think Robin liked the attention she got when guys bought her things. It made her feel special. I interviewed an exotic dancer in my documentary who enjoys that too. It's like, "See how special I am? Someone bought me this mink stole! That's how much they liked me."


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just a thought..it could be that the man assesed you and thought that was your value. to have your attention required a fur coat. not special but available if the price was right. personally nobody had enough money to get my attention cause material things and money wasn't what i was looking for. don't get me wrong there is a saying that if money doesn't buy you happiness then you don't know where to shop!! but i found out that i can't enjoy things that don't belong to me. it just drives me even more to get it for myself. to you younger women who are still "looking", remember never give up your power.
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I'm glad you said that because your previous statement about how when you were at work Robin was at the gym made me think otherwise. I feel that as women we need to do our best to take care of and provide for ourselves, that way you don't have to give up your "power" as you said or your self esteem.

Another thing I found out from creating the beauty documentary is that beautiful women can more easily fall into the trap of giving up their power. They have more of an opportunity to rely on their looks to survive and/or have a rich narcissistic man sweep her off her feet and take care of her financially. Eventually, beauty fades, the man moves on to a younger woman, the beautiful woman gets too old to model/shake booty, and she is lost by herself. Ultimately, it is the plain looking women who had to rely on their internal assets (i.e. brains, people skills, street smarts...) who end up being more happy in life. And they tend to get into more healthy relationships.

So you pretty young ones, listen intently to what Bassdame says.

I can totally relate to all of this Krystal. I too felt the insecurity coming from many of his lyrics growing up, and always felt the same way. Even though people tell me that I am attractive and have what they deem "bedroom eyes", I myself never felt that way.....

The beautiful women I interviewed for my documentary ALL had insecurities about their looks. The former Mrs. Missouri was labeled "plain" growing up and although she blossomed in college, she can't even leave the house to grocery shop without her makeup on. I believe she joined a beauty contest for reassurance. The other women believed they are beautiful not because they themselves see it in the mirror, but because they have heard others say they are. In other words, being beautiful to them is an abstract concept based on what others tell them.

There you go with my shameless plug, Krystal.

So now it's time for Bassdame and UptownDame to resume their stories! Gals?

Plug away artpal! You KNOW we're interested! I know I am!

OK Krystal, you deserve another Prince Robin sex mcnugget.
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Plug away artpal! You KNOW we're interested! I know I am!

OK Krystal, you deserve another Prince Robin sex mcnugget.
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Hmmmm...am I going to need me for this artpal?

Art Pal, when you interviewed these women for your documentary for instance the one who never leaves the house without make up, did you get the feeling that they enjoyed attenion all of the time?

I ask this question because when I began wearing make up in my teens I received alot of attention and although it was all complimentary it made me so uncomfortable that I stopped wearing makeup until adulthood. Even now when I go out to the store or somewhere by myself, I intentionally dress down, sans makeup,I'll even wear a hat or put my hair in a braid and wear big sunglasses. Don't get me wrong, when I spend one or two hours getting ready to go out to a club or something I love the attention but what I don't like is that attention at the grocery store. However, I know women who love that attenion ALL THE TIME and I just can't relate.

In the O magazine article an older woman interviewed stated that when she was young, she dressed for the world so to speak. She was always so concerned with who was or could be watching her that she never enjoyed the world around her. Now, that she's older and "invisible" she says that she can now enjoy her life. She says that she's even happier now than when she was young because she doesn't have to be burdened with her looks anymore.

You should pick up this magazine if you haven't already I think you'd enjoy it. Its the October issue dedicated to "Aging Brilliantly". There are lots of articles from older women dealing with aging lessons and issues.

Art Pal, when you interviewed these women for your documentary for instance the one who never leaves the house without make up, did you get the feeling that they enjoyed attenion all of the time?

I ask this question because when I began wearing make up in my teens I received alot of attention and although it was all complimentary it made me so uncomfortable that I stopped wearing makeup until adulthood. Even now when I go out to the store or somewhere by myself, I intentionally dress down, sans makeup,I'll even wear a hat or put my hair in a braid and wear big sunglasses. Don't get me wrong, when I spend one or two hours getting ready to go out to a club or something I love the attention but what I don't like is that attention at the grocery store. However, I know women who love that attenion ALL THE TIME and I just can't relate.

In the O magazine article an older woman interviewed stated that when she was young, she dressed for the world so to speak. She was always so concerned with who was or could be watching her that she never enjoyed the world around her. Now, that she's older and "invisible" she says that she can now enjoy her life. She says that she's even happier now than when she was young because she doesn't have to be burdened with her looks anymore.

You should pick up this magazine if you haven't already I think you'd enjoy it. Its the October issue dedicated to "Aging Brilliantly". There are lots of articles from older women dealing with aging lessons and issues.

Hey VanitySixx, YES just like you I used to be very annoyed by the unwanted attention. I still sometimes wear a ponytail, no makeup, jeans and a T-shirt while I run around just to not be stared at. But at the same time...I feel bad...like I should be proud to look pretty and enjoy it...after all when I am an old woman part of me feels like I will look back with regret and not enjoy my youthful looks while I had them...then that concept goes to shit when I walk outside and have stupid pigs yelling at me and honking in their car. That kind of attention just makes me feel uncomfortable and makes me wanna go and hide.

Hey VanitySixx, YES just like you I used to be very annoyed by the unwanted attention. I still sometimes wear a ponytail, no makeup, jeans and a T-shirt while I run around just to not be stared at. But at the same time...I feel bad...like I should be proud to look pretty and enjoy it...after all when I am an old woman part of me feels like I will look back with regret and not enjoy my youthful looks while I had them...then that concept goes to shit when I walk outside and have stupid pigs yelling at me and honking in their car. That kind of attention just makes me feel uncomfortable and makes me wanna go and hide.

Some women tried all that stuff but found that dressing down only emboldened the harrassers because they seemed less intimidating. In fact it backfired and they only got more unwanted attention. Does that sound familiar by any chance?

OMG! Good point artpal! Actually now that I think about it. It is true. I find when I am dressed really nice, my hair styled and makeup looking good I get alot of stares but men usually don't say anythin. One time I was waiting for a bus reading a book and I had no make up on and was dressed really causally. This guy comes up to me and starts asking for my number like I'm some easy dumb woman...I said "I don't mean to be rude but I kinda just would like to read my book." He got all offended and didn't like being rejected I guess and said "Damn baby your not THAT good looking" Actually that comment through me offgard and I started laughing. He didn't like that too much eaither!

I don't mean to turn this into a race thing but I have noticed alot of black men throw a fit with me when they get rejected. Most white guys seem to just go away. But alot of black guys honestly always seem to have something nasty to say in return.
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OMG! Good point artpal! Actually now that I think about it. It is true. I find when I am dressed really nice, my hair styled and makeup looking good I get alot of stares but men usually don't say anythin. One time I was waiting for a bus reading a book and I had no make up on and was dressed really causally. This guy comes up to me and starts asking for my number like I'm some easy dumb woman...I said "I don't mean to be rude but I kinda just would like to read my book." He got all offended and didn't like being rejected I guess and said "Damn baby your not THAT good looking" Actually that comment through me offgard and I started laughing. He didn't like that too much eaither!

I don't mean to turn this into a race thing but I have noticed alot of black men throw a fit with me when they get rejected. Most white guys seem to just go away. But alot of black guys honestly always seem to have something nasty to say in return.
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