My view is not myopic towards Kate Moss. It's the fact that everywhere you look women are being given the false impression that you have to weigh less than 100 pounds or you're fat. And the sad part is that so many of them that are larger, but in good health, are falling for it.

Now as this relates to you, i'm willing to bet that you're not on some goofy diet, purging or doing cocaine to be that size. Am I right? That is your natural size. I'm talking about women that are trying to emulate someone who is abnormally skinny. Kate Moss in this case.

When I was coming up these were some of the women whose bodies were considered ideal...

if i couldn't have some chocolate and it was all in the name of losing weigh...then that's some weight i would have to keep. beauty comes from within. the moment you allow someone else to define your beauty ..you'll look like kate moss. who can't hold a candle to the beautiful elizabeth or marilyn.
later

All of a sudden, it became this...


That's quite a drastic change. To my eyes, those 2 women look seriously ill.


tA


Wow!! Things sure have changed. How do we change it back? I prefer that women are allowed to be curvy and real:cry:

We have so many eating disorders, complexes, nueroses, and unhappiness--all from trying to live up to an ideal that is not attainable for the majority of women. I say we need to learn to love ourselves and our bodies as we are meant to be.

I had been postponing going to the doctor because I didn't want to get weighed, knowing that I had gained weight since the last time I went. And you know what he said? He said that I was "on the thinner side for my height"!!!

Here's to having a candy bar!!!

uptown dame!!hey baby girl. you look awesome..i have this bad habit of thinking that because someone is on my mind they know it without me telling them!!dorky! you've been on my mind! you look awesome..just the same. can't wait to see you. artpal is the orchestrator of the renunion and i'm pushing for one soon..how about ny artpal! that seems like a central location. let's do it dames..i'm so ready, there's still so much music in us. k666 can certainly put her photo in the audiences "approved" beauty pics. she also qualifies according to my definition of beauty too. from within,artpal is petite but she's not anorexic. trust me..she has booty, petite of course but making a statement!!!
later

uptown dame!!hey baby girl. you look awesome..i have this bad habit of thinking that because someone is on my mind they know it without me telling them!!dorky! you've been on my mind! you look awesome..just the same. can't wait to see you. artpal is the orchestrator of the renunion and i'm pushing for one soon..how about ny artpal! that seems like a central location. let's do it dames..i'm so ready, there's still so much music in us. k666 can certainly put her photo in the audiences "approved" beauty pics. she also qualifies according to my definition of beauty too. from within,artpal is petite but she's not anorexic. trust me..she has booty, petite of course but making a statement!!!
later

bassdame said:

Yeah - I was thinking the same thing about Krystal666 when I saw tA's curvy beauties. And I think people would rather see Krystal666 dance on her stage rather than a little stick like me. I don't understand this obsession with little stick girls. I thought people liked big boobs and curvy hips - in fact men do in REAL life. And I really do get compliments about putting on weight. Reality and the model industry's fantasy just don't mesh in my experience.

How do we reverse this image? Stop buying that designer stuff and buy Dove products. And yeah - have a damned candy bar...

i love people that think like this! its so wonderful to hear that not everyone thinks that super thin is the shit. i aswell LOVE that dove ad, when i first saw it my eyes literally popped outta my head , cuz it REALLY shocked me. and it made me happy, cuz finally things look to be reversing, and the fact that alot of people are accepting it and thinking it beautiful kinda shocked me aswell, but i think thats great!

oh yea and hoorayyyyy for candy bars...and cake! lol

So Bassdame, and UptownDame, what's your next story?

She said she loved my voice, but that Prince thought I was no big deal compared to Rosie.

Dugen said:

Thanks, Dugen!

artpal said:

Well, where do I start? I guess the beginning.

How I got there:
While living in LA, I got a subscription to a magazine called Music Connection. It always had a pretty good "musicians wanted" section. I wasn't in LA long, but I kept my subscription. I believe it was around February or so the was an ad that read "Paisley Park Recording Artist looking for band, singers musicians." I knew they couldn't put Paisley Park on an ad in a well read mag unless it was for real.

I got a package together. At the time I was a full blown Rock & Roll Queen, I learned how to sing to R&B records, but there wasn't much R&B going on in my town. So, rock it was. I had some dance demos I did for songwriters and some video of me with my rock band included.

I heard nothing for 6 months. I figured it was over and done, but in September my phone rang and it was Robin Power. She said she loved my voice, but that Prince thought I was no big deal compared to Rosie. She wanted me though.

She explained that she was a rapper and that I would be counterpoint to her. Robin said that things were moving along and that she would be in touch. Again, 6 months of silence.

In March my phone rings again, Robin says get on a plane in 2 days. I said, "Ummm, I have job to inform. Give me a week." She wasn't thrilled, but she understood.

Robin explained that I would get my plane ticket, a per diem allowance and $100.00 for a showcase performance at the Glam Slam. I would be staying with her for the time being. She sent me the info on the other girls and a tape of some of the material.

I arrived in Minneapolis on St. Patrick's Day.

Next chapter: A whole new world...
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UptownDame said:

Prince always had to insert some sort of barb somewhere. I didn't know what emotional abuse was in those days but now I do.

Remember when he didn't believe my resume saying that I played the violin and made me send him a recording playing the violin? WTF was the point in that? I wasn't gonna play violin for this band.

At the same time, this was the reason that any subsequent compliments from him were golden.

artpal said:

Are you serious? Ugh, now I understand what you mean by him trying to rag on you girls. He seems like a pretty tough boss. If someone wasn't very secure with themselves it sounds like he could really get to you.

P.S. Love your advatar btw artpal!

OK,

I live in Chicago, I know Robin very well when she and I were younger but I lost trace of her in 88 or 89 after I got out of the US Air force. I don't know if this is going to help me in my search but I am at the end of my rope. Sorry I have little to add and I am just looking for help. I only found this site because every now and then I look to see if I could find anything info about her on-line. If anyone here is in touch with her please pass along my info (in my profile) and if she want to contact me she will.

I am really happy to finally see pictures and hear so many great things about her after all this time. Any help with contacting her would be great.

Thank you for your time and a place to ask this question.

Remember when he didn't believe my resume saying that I played the violin and made me send him a recording playing the violin? WTF was the point in that? I wasn't gonna play violin for this band.

P.S. Love your advatar btw artpal!

artpal said:

Artpal, did you know Sheila played the violin? In grammar school I think... and she got scholarships based on it too but didn't take them.

I used to think this was just "publicist bio fodder" but when I met her last year she told me how her dad made her take a "classical" instrument so she would have a more likely way to make a living as a musician, and she basically played it by ear even though she was in class.... and htey offered her scholarships for violin but she didn't pursue it.

I asked her if she still can play and she laughed and said "well give me a month or so"

I thought thas cool.
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Moonwalkbjrain said:

Sorry boys, I know this has turned into a chick flick.

So Bassdame, and UptownDame, what's your next story?

artpal said:

Are you serious? Ugh, now I understand what you mean by him trying to rag on you girls. He seems like a pretty tough boss. If someone wasn't very secure with themselves it sounds like he could really get to you.
P.S. Love your advatar btw artpal!

wehawk32 said:

Oh man!!! Who else is gonna pop in here? I'm sure the fans would like to know what she was like when you guys were younger.

I've been looking for her too! I'll send you an orgnote cuz I have some ideas.


[Edited 9/29/05 14:16pm]

OK,

I live in Chicago, I know Robin very well when she and I were younger but I lost trace of her in 88 or 89 after I got out of the US Air force. I don't know if this is going to help me in my search but I am at the end of my rope. Sorry I have little to add and I am just looking for help. I only found this site because every now and then I look to see if I could find anything info about her on-line. If anyone here is in touch with her please pass along my info (in my profile) and if she want to contact me she will.

I am really happy to finally see pictures and hear so many great things about her after all this time. Any help with contacting her would be great.

Thank you for your time and a place to ask this question.