dewalliz said: sosgemini said: the interesting thing about the org of late is that there are more people who share your view.... as long as we respect each other's personal taste then its all good.. its just the "haters" who have to call wendy and lisa "white chicks" or "carpet munchers" and what not to get their point accross who i have no time for... Oh I have the ulmost respect for others views just as long as they have the same for me and I be fighting with those pro W&L who bashing others for not feel the same about them. And I dont blame you if u dont have time for because people will always be people. umm..i was actually complimenting you on voicing your opinion sans any derogative statements.. Space for sale... | |
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dewalliz said: sosgemini said: the interesting thing about the org of late is that there are more people who share your view.... as long as we respect each other's personal taste then its all good.. its just the "haters" who have to call wendy and lisa "white chicks" or "carpet munchers" and what not to get their point accross who i have no time for... Oh I have the ulmost respect for others views just as long as they have the same for me and I be fighting with those pro W&L who bashing others for not feel the same about them. And I dont blame you if u dont have time for because people will always be people. Wendy and Lisa (i thought Wendy is half jewish because of her mom and also Lisa is half latina because of her mom too) could be black and also I still feel the same about their albums. If the musician has the good sound and yes sometimes voice then that what counts not the race because good music has no color. Back to Jill. I felt that Prince screwed her big time and yet he focus his energy and time on other chicks because of their looks not talented. Not only that he or his company didnt properly promote her, but he gave her a small role on Graffiti Bridge, and that because she was under contract with him she didn't able to explore other opportinutes. I have to hand to Jill for being patient and also subtle of putting up with Prince when comes to business side. I am glad that she finally woke up around the Graffiti Bridge era and finally realized who Prince really was and she no longer have to put up with his crap. Now I heard that Prince is starting making up people in the past like Dez, Wendy, and others and I hope that he could able to reach out to Jill and tell her how sorry he was and that he couldn't change the past of how he mistreated her but at least that he could able to focus on the present and future. A lot of people want a Prince and W&L reunion which that is their Kool Aid but I personally preferred want a Prince and Jill duet. Me too! I think that would be smoking, and probably more provacative than a W/L and Prince reunion. but since he doesn't want to be provacative anymore, that will probably never happen "Remember, one man's filler is another man's killer" -- Haystack | |
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dewalliz said: Jill has a great voice and also I wished that Rick James took her on instead of Prince and even though I like Prince and his music I felt that he improperly market her well actually Paisley Park. I felt that if she was under Rick's wing, since after all he worked with Jill's "older sister" Teena Marie, she would been well-known than she already had. She got the look and the voice too and she was very young at that time. It furious me sometimes that Prince had this potential star here but just didn't focus on her until it was too late but yet he managed to put his energy on talentless musicians. Too bad.
As for Wendy and Lisa they are talented of what they do best as composers and instrumentalists but I just couldn't get into their albums. However when comes to listening to who sings better I preferred Lisa over Wendy. It just too bad that Lisa was too shy to participated in more leading vocals at that time. Also speaking of them I agreed that they are too overated in my opinion and also isn't funny that the Prince albums that I like they have little or no input. And if Prince ever have a reunion and he obivious going to try to invite them, I hope that he going to invited Andre and Dez as well because they were my favorite bandmembers. "As for Wendy and Lisa they are talented of what they do best as composers and instrumentalists but I just couldn't get into their albums" Co-Sign. | |
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No! Jill is incredible! You are trippin and slippin. Don't talk aboutMs.Jill. You'll mess around and get your feelings hurt.Listen to the whole record then talk talk something ok!Talk about what u know. Talk about what u know! | |
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sofunky said: No! Jill is incredible! You are trippin and slippin. Don't talk about Ms. Jill. Listen to the whole record then talk talk something ok!Talk about what u know. Talk about what u know!
I agree^. You should hear the whole record before saying she cant sing. But like I said before listen to Violet Blue. Did you order a pizza ma'am? Prince- UTCM | |
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BeautifulOneJem said: sofunky said: No! Jill is incredible! You are trippin and slippin. Don't talk about Ms. Jill. Listen to the whole record then talk talk something ok!Talk about what u know. Talk about what u know!
I agree^. You should hear the whole record before saying she cant sing. But like I said before listen to Violet Blue. umm..wow, someone at npgmc heard your call for action.. Space for sale... | |
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Moonwalkbjrain said: so i just listened to mia bocca, didn't even listen to it all..she sounds horrible...this is the girl that yall give so much prasie to and i finally hear it and its like DAMN whatthehell were they talking about? whats about w/ all the jill hype?
HAAAAA!!! I told y'all muthafuckas Jill Jones sounds like a cat getting reemed out w/ a white hot fire poker!!! Granted, the person agreeing w/ me still worships Michael Jackson but that's beside the point!! | |
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blackguitaristz said: GCS4ever said: Jill Jones is from the same "overrated white girl who used to be with Prince" mold as Wendy and Lisa. Dont believe it? Check the level of respect that these women get among the black Prince fans against that of the white Prince fans. You will find a major difference. This isnt to say there are no good. They are. Just not great as some fans want them to be. Well, if we MUST bring race into this, Jill is half black. This I know from Andre Cymone, who I know personally and has worked with. Second, J.J. has always gotten much respect from the black folks that I know. The same black folks that give it up to Teena, gives it up to Jill. I see where u are coming from with the white folks digging Wendy and Lisa, but, Jill doesn't fall into the camp, from what I see. Don't even try to put Jill's yelping ass into the same category w/ the amazing Teena Marie | |
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CalhounSq said: Moonwalkbjrain said: so i just listened to mia bocca, didn't even listen to it all..she sounds horrible...this is the girl that yall give so much prasie to and i finally hear it and its like DAMN whatthehell were they talking about? whats about w/ all the jill hype?
HAAAAA!!! I told y'all muthafuckas Jill Jones sounds like a cat getting reemed out w/ a white hot fire poker!!! Granted, the person agreeing w/ me still worships Michael Jackson but that's beside the point!! ...and mj is the shit! Yesterday is dead...tomorrow hasnt arrived yet....i have just ONE day...
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i thought both Jill Jones and the Family were shit until I saw them live at Family Jamm. It gave me a new respect for both of those albums. noituloveryxesevolasildnaydnew
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CalhounSq said: HAAAAA!!! I told y'all muthafuckas Jill Jones sounds like a cat getting reemed out w/ a white hot fire poker!!! | |
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By the time she did her secong solo album, Vanity (yes, Vanity!) sounded as good as Jill Jones does on her Paisley Park album. After Wendy adn Lisa, she is the most grossly overrated Prince associate in history. | |
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CalhounSq said: blackguitaristz said: Well, if we MUST bring race into this, Jill is half black. This I know from Andre Cymone, who I know personally and has worked with. Second, J.J. has always gotten much respect from the black folks that I know. The same black folks that give it up to Teena, gives it up to Jill. I see where u are coming from with the white folks digging Wendy and Lisa, but, Jill doesn't fall into the camp, from what I see. Don't even try to put Jill's yelping ass into the same category w/ the amazing Teena Marie Too late. I already did, babygirl! SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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blackguitaristz said: CalhounSq said: Don't even try to put Jill's yelping ass into the same category w/ the amazing Teena Marie Too late. I already did, babygirl! Dig, am I saying Jill can blow just as hard as my girl Teena? Hell nah. Teena is on a higher plain, all around. What I'm saying is that the black folks that I know who digs Teena, ALSO digs Jill. SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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blackguitaristz said: blackguitaristz said: Too late. I already did, babygirl! Dig, am I saying Jill can blow just as hard as my girl Teena? Hell nah. Teena is on a higher plain, all around. What I'm saying is that the black folks that I know who digs Teena, ALSO digs Jill. I don't know about BG Baby. I'm sorry about Teena is far superior vocalist than Jill hands down and there's no question about it. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Oh well, there's also a first time for everything huh. | |
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Hotlegs said: blackguitaristz said: Dig, am I saying Jill can blow just as hard as my girl Teena? Hell nah. Teena is on a higher plain, all around. What I'm saying is that the black folks that I know who digs Teena, ALSO digs Jill. I don't know about BG Baby. I'm sorry about Teena is far superior vocalist than Jill hands down and there's no question about it. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Oh well, there's also a first time for everything huh. Is ANYBODY truly reading this? I NEVER SAID THAT JILL IS ON THE SAME LEVEL AS TEENA. I KNOW JILL CAN"T HOLD A CANDLE TO TEENA. TEENA IS THE SHIT! I said that, for the last time, THE BLACK FOLKS THAT I KNOW WHO DIGS TEENA ALSO DIGS JILL. Doesn't have anything to do with Jill being as good as TEENA. I know she isn't, never thought that she was, and she never will be. BUT, I still think J.J. can sang! SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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blackguitaristz said: Hotlegs said: I don't know about BG Baby. I'm sorry about Teena is far superior vocalist than Jill hands down and there's no question about it. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Oh well, there's also a first time for everything huh. Is ANYBODY truly reading this? I NEVER SAID THAT JILL IS ON THE SAME LEVEL AS TEENA. I KNOW JILL CAN"T HOLD A CANDLE TO TEENA. TEENA IS THE SHIT! I said that, for the last time, THE BLACK FOLKS THAT I KNOW WHO DIGS TEENA ALSO DIGS JILL. Doesn't have anything to do with Jill being as good as TEENA. I know she isn't, never thought that she was, and she never will be. BUT, I still think J.J. can sang! Whew!! SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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blackguitaristz said: blackguitaristz said: Is ANYBODY truly reading this? I NEVER SAID THAT JILL IS ON THE SAME LEVEL AS TEENA. I KNOW JILL CAN"T HOLD A CANDLE TO TEENA. TEENA IS THE SHIT! I said that, for the last time, THE BLACK FOLKS THAT I KNOW WHO DIGS TEENA ALSO DIGS JILL. Doesn't have anything to do with Jill being as good as TEENA. I know she isn't, never thought that she was, and she never will be. BUT, I still think J.J. can sang! Whew!! Calm down baby. Oeew, you know that's a turn on when you get excited. You better stop trying to get me in trouble you naughty axe man. | |
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blackguitaristz said: blackguitaristz said: Too late. I already did, babygirl! Dig, am I saying Jill can blow just as hard as my girl Teena? Hell nah. Teena is on a higher plain, all around. What I'm saying is that the black folks that I know who digs Teena, ALSO digs Jill. Nah, I think silly Prince fans like Jill Has nothing to do w/ liking Teena IMO | |
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I'm sorry but I think Jill's album is incredible, but it did come out too late, however I don't think Prince should take the blame for that, I mean he was SO BUSY working on so many other projects around 1984-1986 that Jill had to wait for hers, but even though it didn't get much shine, her album is still awesome IMO. | |
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CalhounSq said: blackguitaristz said: Dig, am I saying Jill can blow just as hard as my girl Teena? Hell nah. Teena is on a higher plain, all around. What I'm saying is that the black folks that I know who digs Teena, ALSO digs Jill. Nah, I think silly Prince fans like Jill Has nothing to do w/ liking Teena IMO Cal, listen. How in the world can folks be silly for diggin' J.J. who was ALL OVER one of P's greatest albums, 1999? Who was an essential part of his videos during this period and his break through film, Purple Rain? Cal, I think u need to come to the Z Cult Castle. There, u and I can talk! SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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Hotlegs said: blackguitaristz said: Whew!! Calm down baby. Oeew, you know that's a turn on when you get excited. You better stop trying to get me in trouble you naughty axe man. Just come and I'll fix it. SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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blackguitaristz said: Hotlegs said: Calm down baby. Oeew, you know that's a turn on when you get excited. You better stop trying to get me in trouble you naughty axe man. Just come and I'll fix it. Oeew BG Baby, I bet you can it. | |
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blackguitaristz said: CalhounSq said: Nah, I think silly Prince fans like Jill Has nothing to do w/ liking Teena IMO Cal, listen. How in the world can folks be silly for diggin' J.J. who was ALL OVER one of P's greatest albums, 1999? Who was an essential part of his videos during this period and his break through film, Purple Rain? Cal, I think u need to come to the Z Cult Castle. There, u and I can talk! Man, the bitch sounds like she's wailing in her sleep, having a nightmare | |
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Moonwalkbjrain said: so i just listened to mia bocca, didn't even listen to it all..she sounds horrible...this is the girl that yall give so much prasie to and i finally hear it and its like DAMN whatthehell were they talking about? whats about w/ all the jill hype? you don't have any taste. | |
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prodigalfan said: Which in my opinion, all of P's early female acts, were all about a female version of himself.
Now people say this, but I think it may only be true in the asthetic sense. A female version of Prince would want to play all the music on her album herself and wouldn't want him telling her how she sounds. Someone like Patrice Rushen, Jane Child or MeShell are much closer to than than ANY of the artists Prince produced. Prince made albums for girlfriends. Paisley Park was a giant vanity label. It was never going to be anything like LaFace Records, which was designed to be a real label. WB was trying to appease Prince and keep him working for them. Jill probably would have had a better chance with Quincy or Rick. Well, with Quincy at least. If Rick wasn't drugged out, he would have been a hell of a producer. He proved this on several occasions like The Mary Jane Girls and the single he produced for Mariah on the Glitter soundtrack ("All My Life"). | |
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BlaqueKnight said: prodigalfan said: Which in my opinion, all of P's early female acts, were all about a female version of himself.
Now people say this, but I think it may only be true in the asthetic sense. A female version of Prince would want to play all the music on her album herself and wouldn't want him telling her how she sounds. Someone like Patrice Rushen, Jane Child or MeShell are much closer to than than ANY of the artists Prince produced. BK Baby, I agree with the point you've made about Patrice and Meshell. However, I disagree totally with your inclusion of Jane Child based on her track record. When you look at the track record of both Patric and Meshell, there's no way I would even group her with them based on their experience, logevity, and success in the bussness. | |
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CalhounSq said: blackguitaristz said: Cal, listen. How in the world can folks be silly for diggin' J.J. who was ALL OVER one of P's greatest albums, 1999? Who was an essential part of his videos during this period and his break through film, Purple Rain? Cal, I think u need to come to the Z Cult Castle. There, u and I can talk! Man, the bitch sounds like she's wailing in her sleep, having a nightmare Yeah, yeah, I get it. U don't like J.J. SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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Hotlegs said: BlaqueKnight said: Now people say this, but I think it may only be true in the asthetic sense. A female version of Prince would want to play all the music on her album herself and wouldn't want him telling her how she sounds. Someone like Patrice Rushen, Jane Child or MeShell are much closer to than than ANY of the artists Prince produced. BK Baby, I agree with the point you've made about Patrice and Meshell. However, I disagree totally with your inclusion of Jane Child based on her track record. When you look at the track record of both Patrice and Meshell, there's no way I would even group her with them based on their experience, logevity, and success in the bussness. [b]Sorry, but I have to put her in there. I didn't include her because of her track record. I included her because she's a multi-instrumentalist who produces her own CDs. I have all three of her CDs (Jane Child, Here Not There, Surge). She plays keys, violin, drums and guitar and who knows what else on her records. Her music is experimental (funk, rock pop blends + indian music on some songs). She writes almost everything that appears on her records. She is a lot more like Prince than you think. I know you don't really like her music, but I know her music well. My compariosns are based on the aspects I mentioned. | |
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