OMG! Krystal!!!! YAY! What's new on the other side of MPLS?
Hey, who was the chic from Gangsta Glam? She was GORGEOUS!
Hats off to ANY girl who respects him, but won't put up with it!
Artpal hope you're well- how's DC? Bassdame nice to meetcha... What are you up to these days?

me
[Edited 7/28/05 15:42pm]

ScarletteP said:

Hey girl! Here it all is on the Gangster Glam video girl!

http://www.prince.org/msg/5/141814

Hey Scarlette!!!! Hey Laura!!!! Hey there Krystal!!!! Et all!!!

Interesting article. Not every woman who meets Prince is attracted to him. Not that he cares, but as much as I admire the musician, I am certainly not attracted to him.

You know - I shouldn't be quick to define what happened in that lounge. Nothing was said, so who knows what was really going on in his head. I'm just saying what was in my own head.

Also, according to Prince's choreographer and childhood friend (forgot his name too) Prince was standoffish in school - way before he was famous. I guess he was just defensive against any perceived future rejection. Since he was neglected as a child, those feelings make sense.

When I toured with Stacy I met a lot of other celebs. Some were cool and others standoffish. I could tell that they were the way they were before they got famous. It's hard to change your personality for whatever reason; be it as a reaction to fame or for any other reason.

artpal said:

I understand completly artpal! Belive it or not I appear very standoffish when I first meet people. I have always been that way since I was little too...just protective of myself and shy. I guess that is one of the reasons I like Prince alot to...I can relate to him alot I guess.....But actually I think your observation is right...that man does seem to LOVE female attention probably alot more than most men. I'm not talking just on a sexual level (although that is obvious of any man) but he just seems to like being around women. From what I get from his lyrics he seems to be a man that craves women's admiration and attention.
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Hey y'all-what musician do you know who has pursued a public forum for their music that is not egotisitcal and in need of adoration!!!? i was probably one of the most insecure shyest people you could have known, but hey the best way to face your demons is head on. i can't think of a more over the top place to stare your fears in the face than on a stage. do you guys remember madonna's truth or dare? warren beatty was her boyfriend at the time ..anyway he said something like what's the point of living if there's no camera around. think about how prince sometimes must feel trapped by his own hype and persona. artpal do you think you might've been disappointed if he did just talk to you instead of going through robin. what do you say to people when they've mythologized you. god forbid you open your mouth and something normal and mundane comes out. it's better sometimes to love the artist through their music because the reality can sometimes disappoint. does anyone get where i'm coming from with this. also in terms of "the island stuff", it was the single most destructive element at the time for us up and coming musicians when p. started this "i do everything" vibe. now that prince wrote produced, played, managed blah blah blah. now all of a sudden music cos.weren't interested in artist development, now you had to come as your own entity, not everybody could do that so whether you were a talented band or not-you'd better be coming to the table with songs already written produced and damn near waxed before the music drones would consider you. what do you guys think about that
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bassdame said:

I definatly understand where you are coming from. In alot of Prince's lyrics he seems preocupied with being a fantasy expecialy to women...maybe he would be just as disapointed if people had a normal reaction to him if he gave them a normal response?

hey-check this..i knew i had a problem when a video of his came on while i was in glam slam with robin. i guess she knew he was looking at us and so she grabbed my arm and said, stop and just look. the screen was above us so we had to look up like oooh. i kept on walking i'm just not the one. this has always been a problem for me. everyone always wanted to go backstage. my vibe was like for what?! unless i had some music to promote i just never was the one to stand around a la groupie because one thing was for sure i wasn't doing anybody. (the price i paid for being raised catholic, the nuns put the fear of God in me, concerning sex, it took all of my twenties to undo their work). unlike artpal i did have opportunities to hang out and talk with p., he's actually quite funny. don't get me wrong now..the day i walked into paisley i felt as though i had reached the mecca. the day that purple rain came out i promise you the next day i was wearing lingerie outside. my boyfriend looked like p. (don't ya think artpal) and he had a motorcycle. i was touched by p. on so many levels it wasn't even funny. he completely changed the direction and goals i had. i admire and respect him as a musician, performer and songwriter. but the real deal is and was this...in my life i have seen so many talented (i mean off the chart talent, comparable to p.), that i viewed him as a peer who made it. the whole paisley park experience was intimidating. on one level you're very aware of your abilities (or lack of), because after all some of the best musicians hands down were in the house. don't let me fool y'all, was i anywhere near the best bass player....hell no! but i had "the look" and could stay on the drummers foot. so there you are an adequate bassplayer surrounded by the best, very humbling and intimidating.then there's your woman thing all stirred up because when you walk into pp you can feel p. presence all through the place. then you see him and people i have to tell you before i met him he was a serious player in my fantasies. and so here is my fantasy and i go into musician mode..hey what's up. period! and that set the tone for my interaction with him. i refused to display or fall into the worship zone. it wasn't game for me that's how i really am, i actually prayed one time for the ability to be the adoring freak...didn't work. once this guy in the music industry told me i would never make it because i wasn't willing to play the game, i guess he was right. it was a sad day when i realized that the mpls experience was over for me. not because p. dropped the dames. by then i knew everyone, hadn't f'd. anyone and could have kept going on the ride regardless of the dames or not. before the dames i had a production deal with flytetyme with a group called mercedes. but i'd done everything you can do as an "adequate" musician. and as a musician in those circumstances your life is defined and controlled by whoever you were working for. i got off the rollercoaster. but i had one hell of a ride.. and absolutely don't regret a thing (well some things) but i would rather have been who i was and do the things i got to do than not. i will never be on a porch wondering what if....having said that- the feeling never goes away. i have a husband and two awesome adorable productions called kids and as much as i love them there is a space in my soul that they can't fill. i believe the best is always yet to come, but i was wavering in that mindset here in recent years, i didn't recognize myself and felt myself (THE JONI) struggling to get out and fit into my life again and then artpal came back into my life and she and i are getting ready to redefine ourselves yet again and poignantly with each other. watch babies we're still here and we're coming.
later

bassdame said:

Bassdame, I like your sh**!
I like your attitude and the fact that you have no regrets. And I like that you would not let yourself fall into that hero-worship rubbish!
You did it right girl... You and artpal both!
xo
Scarlette P.

Bassdame, that post was some kinda awesome! Thanks.

You and artpal are impressive the way you kept your cool in the various situations you described above.

I wish you ladies all the best.

bassdame said:

Thanks bassdame! I guess I fall into that idol worship thing...only with certain people tho... ...but I'm sure meeting your idol would change things. It is so cool you got to meet Prince, someone you admired a great deal before you met him...what a dream! Thank you for your stories and thanks for being honest!

bassdame said:

That is an extremely interesting point you make thathas never occoured to me, Prince being resposible for record companies dropping artist development...hmmm. Don't know what to think about that

JudasLChrist said:

Ironically - wasn't Prince given the opportunity for artistic development? I thought we was allowed some trial and error in the beginning. ??? I thought he had to change his sound to "crossover" more etc. Correct me if I'm wrong. Maybe he was allowed to develop as a producer as well as artist.

I think that when indie artists started making their own records (like rap artists), big record companies found it easier to buy up the successful ones rather than take a chance on lesser known artists. I remember the days when big companies wouldn't touch rap - until they obviously started making money. (Woo - that's how old I am!!!)

artpal said:

Artpal, I think you understanding is deadon the money. From my understanding, this is what I recall reading.

one thing about the rap and indie artist, one of the main reasons the companies picked them up was because these artist were selling their stuff out of the back of their cars. when they had sold a substantial amount on their own they then went to the record cos. with a "track record" and were therefore seen as less of a risk...think mc hammer
later

Hey there Bass! I think I met Sue Ann Carwell in '86 or '87 but I only knew her as Sue Ann = didn't know her last name. Jon and I were in a recording studio when a famous producer (forget his name - figures, huh?) was working with her. For some reason it was here in DC. Did Sue Ann have some reason for recording around here? It might have been that producer. I think this was before I met you. I'm just realizing the connection. I remember she and her pals were talking about something funny involving Prince.

So who the heck is Sue Ann and tell me more about her. Thanks!

yes sueann was recording in dc and staying with me!! she was a friend of p. and is from mpls. she has a glorious voice and an extremely turbulent life. ( i don't know about now, of course), her father was a drummer and i never really heard much about her mother..i want to say she was a dancer. i always had the impression that her dad ( Sticks) raised her. whenever little red corvette would come on she would point out that his whole vibe especially his dance moves came from her. there's a lot i could say about her, but most of it was so wild and so personal that i would feel as though i was violating her space and her right to leave the past behind. if i ever hear from her again and she has no hang ups about me sharing then i will in fact i would love too. her brother is tc!!!!how many of you knew that.!!??

hey girl i though i was getting some music from you..i'm ready ..how was the trip? how's nic cage? got your message just now we'll talk tomorrow. come on with the muzak, history is calling our name!!!

here's a funny story not about p. but about my flytetyme experience..okay i used to have extremely hairy legs..y'all would be surprised to know how many men love hairy legs!! anyway when i came to mpls the first time it was to be in the band mercedes..those girls including jimmy and terry were horrified by my legs. well of course even if i had considered shaving them, once i found out how much everyone wanted me to do it..it was the last thing i would do. they tried bribing me with money, new strings whatever..no was my answer uncategorically. i want y'll to know that the night of the mpls music awards they held me down (5 of them) and shaved my legs!! now of course i cringe at the thought of hairy legs. fyi..i dated eddie murphy (not f'd him but actually dated him, hung out with moms etc.) and i have to tell you that he LOVES hairy legs.
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laurarichardson said:

by the way..who wouldn't be insecure he's only about 5'4", around there somewhere..he has the napolean syndrome

bassdame said:

Wow - what a small world! Now I remember the producer (it's slowly coming back to me) - he was Tyrone Bronson the guy who did the Smurf. Did that material ever get released? I just remember the session where they spent a long ass time worrying about how the snare was processed. I don't ever remember how or why Jon and I were invited into the studio session.

What a small world.

Bass, you sure do stay up late. Yeah - still a musician you are.

Anxiety-question for you..believe it or not my 6 year old if a p fanatic. alicia k is her top female artist. anyway she sings and was devastated when p came here and she wasn't able to sing her alicia song! she practiced forever. she wants p to hear and see her. i want to go thru a channel that doesn't involve me..it will never be said that i'm trying to capitalize on former association. anyway any ideas where i can send her video where it will actually get seen. it's a hoot. having said that she's incredibly beautiful and can really sing. wow do i sound like the perpetual stage mother or what?! no it's not like that, but ....
hey where is everybody..i commit to posting and everyone rolls out! perhaps my responsed are too serious, hey it is what it is, i not giving dirt, the only reliable source for that kind of thing are the people who were there, gossip ain't my thing
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bassdame said:

I appreciate your stories! I didn't know you dated Eddie Murphy! LOL! Any more stories bassdame?

ScarletteP said:

co sign. i sooo wish i could be like that! cuz i know if i ever had the chance to meet him i'd be goo at his feet! lol

bassdame said:

woww thats crazy! what was it like dating eddie? is he 24/7 funny? is he an asswhole? is he romantic?

dating eddie was painful, i was very young and he was up and coming. he would send for me (i was in dc) to come to ny every weekend. i would sit in his dressing room and watch snl. before him i was interested in boys that were "cute". after him i learned that for me the most attractive thing in a man was power. of course one day he just stopped calling. i was new to the world of superstar behaviour, when they move on they move on without regard to the other person. i did leave a lasting impression on him though. in the next couple of years he tracked me down twice. he sent for me to come to la while he was filming the second beverly hills cops. there he supplied me with another revelation about myself. his lifestyle was opulent and it was cool to hang with him, however, it made me realize that i would strive to get my own stuff. because while it was good being around all that money it wasn't mine it was his and therefore fleeting at best. the very last time that he tracked me down, i didn't drop everything to be with him. i told if he wanted to see me come to dc my band would playing! so since i wasn't fawning- he hung the phone up on me! whatever. he was surrounded by people that catered to him. he was not as "on" as one would think. as a matter of fact he was just regular, except if things weren't going his way you're out. every now and then a glimpse of that brilliant sense of humor would appear and it was captivating. again i'm not the one to kiss ass, as far as i was concerned (and this is not ego), he should have been just as happy to be with me as i was to be with him. he wasn't doing me a favour. when i finally hooked up with robin and we were talking about people - his name came up , she laughed and said every fine woman in la has been with eddie. my only consolation is that the eddie i was with was pre-la. i know that i got a better side of him, sweeter. the la girls were fuc..i know that for a moment in time i was more- i wish him the best (and i can guaruntee that his wifes' legs aren't hairy and that he wishes they were)
every time i would see him he would give me his credit card and tell me to go shopping...i never did.
later

hey now i see you krystal, man i feel like i should know you..you have been a topic of discussion for me and artpal hasn't she artpal? anything about yourself you'd like to share. does anyone want to share or have any questions.

bassdame said:

Moi? No I'm nothing special just your female Prince fan horny for that sexy man's body! LOL! Well I guess I'm more than that...I'm a huge Prince fan...love his music and protgees...love the whole "Prince" world he created...seems so cool someone could do all this from my hometown...he just is facinating.

Didn't Eddie also date Vanity after she was with Prince?

bassdame do you have any more Prince and his women related stories? Those are my favorites. How did he act around women? Did he boss them around alot? What kinda women did he like? What kind of women did he dislike? He was such a playboy back then..I always wondered why.

Krystal666 said:

Oh gurl, you gotta STOP. Yr Killing me.

bassdame said:

"And my momma said that its good to be natural"-----Lenny Kravitz


No surprise here, dame. A lot of brothas love it; especially southren brothas. Say, you wouldn't happen to be a twin, would you?