vainandy said:[quote]


Did you also notice that Jimmy & Terry took the reality that Prince fired them very well?

you know just from my observation Prince's complaints about WB were similar to Jesse's complaints about Prince. WB tried to clamp Prince's creativity in the name of business just like P did to Jesse. And just like P, Jesse broke those "chains of slavery and struck out on his own. Now P has in the past bad mouth WB. I don't see anyone having any problems with that. Why jump on Jesse for doing the same thing? Hmm, somebody's been sneaking in the Purple Koolaid again.

laurarichardson said:

BlaqueKnight said:

I give her props for reminding me of the blazing guitar solos of the Isleys, Funkadelic, Cameo, but epecially the Isleys. Prince has to my untrained ear surpassed Ernie, but when Prince first came out, Ernie Isley was one of the great black guitarist that Prince was compared to.

prodigalfan said:

Thanks.

prodigalfan said:

Well, you got to keep in mind in the 80's that the androgyny look was vogue big time back then and and the guys were sportin it. The decade was so trendy because you had MJ, P, Funk, and Punk-Funk, and New Wave going strong and that influencing a blending a male and female fashions.Wow, you will never see guys dressed like that again.

Hotlegs said:

Thanks for restoring some of my dignity 'Legs.

prodigalfan said:

Nah, sorry. I'm 5'9 and Andre is about an inch taller than me.

blackguitaristz said:

Very well said. That trips me out a lot around here. A lot of the people in the "Music: Non-Prince" section seem to be pretty objective and knowledgeable about other artists and how Prince fits in with them in regards to funk. When you get to the "Prince Music and More" section or even the "Associated Artists" section, the fams seem to come out of the woodwork. When discussing funk, the only artists they seem to come up with are James Brown, Sly and the Family Stone, Parliament/Funkadelic, Graham Central Station, etc.....never artists like Brick, The Barkays, Rick James, Cameo, One Way, Lakeside, The Brothers Johnson, Roger and Zapp, The Gap Band, The Dazz Band, etc. (the list could go on and on).....in other words, the only funk a lot of them seem to know about is Prince's influences but yet they are supposed to be experts on funk.

As far as Hotlegs goes, she has more than proven her knowledge of funk around here and has voiced it many times. Anyone that dares to venture past Prince and ventures into the "Music: Non-Prince" section and enters a thread about a funk artist will see many of Hotleg's posts. In regards to Prince, Hotlegs is just like me, she is a fan and loves Prince but she is not afraid to call it like she sees it. She's a bad lady and one of my favorites.

I agree.

I sure did. Prince firing them turned out to be a blessing in disguise because they would never had become the huge stars they did if he hadn't.

Good observation and very true.

Damn, I never would have thought Andre was tall. That would make him taller than me. I'm 6'5 and have met very few people taller than I am.

vainandy said:

That's good info to know b/c Ms Legs has a habit of liking to climb on tall men sometimes .

vainandy said:

Ohh, I love it when you talk that way Vainandy

vainandy said:[quote]

Thanks Vain Baby!

Everyone knows I am the true funkexpert. No one can step to me on FUNK

kidcreole said:

Sorry but your are no match for the Funkologist Hotlegs.

vainandy said:

vain, u lost me, player. Since Andre is 5'10, how in the world is he taller than u and you're 6'5?

You're right, I misread your post. You said he was an inch taller than you, which is 5'9, and I was thinking you said Andre was a foot taller than you. I couldn't see any way in hell Andre was 6'9.
[Edited 4/26/05 20:20pm]

this is a great thread,
& I am NOT saying that because it confirms what pisses me off about that little purple man - like the "back & forth" that's been happening here. I think BOTH "sides" have some points, but I am more sympathetic towards Jesse, because he CAN play guitar, & it did seem like he got the "short end" of more than 1 "stick"..


I remember reading in (I think it was) that prince book "Possessed", where Jesse apparently thought that initially, The Time was going to be about "Jesse & Morris", a sort of "Hall & Oates"-type set up, but then it ended up (rather understandibly) being more about Morris out front. so on 1 hand, whatever Jesse's motivations where, he still made the choice to be in The Time. if Jesse thought he couldn't "get along" with prince, it's hard to imagine that he could not have gotten out sooner if he really wanted to.


yet again, I put more of this on prince & the little JEALOUS, insecure "bitch" he was at that time. GRANTED, prince did "put together" the group, wrote all the songs & whatever, but he was WRONG to break up this band.

I will probably always be ANNOYED at prince for breaking up 1 of the FUNKIEST bands ever in The Time. I have said MANY TIMES here on the org: those of you who never saw The Time on the Controversy & 1999 tours..
YOU MISSED OUT.
those boys were SO bad.. SO funky.. SO tight.
prince HAD to break them up.
back in the day I was a HUGE prince fan, but after those shows on those tours, everybody was talking about The Time, NOT prince. as BIG a prince fan as I was then, I could understand what people were saying because The Time DID tear it up on stage, & they looked DAMN GOOD doing it.
so jealous bitch that he was, he had to break up the "monster" he had created.
prince erasing Jesse's solo on Jungle L


today, prince has the FUCKING NERVE to say
"oh The Time has always been my favorite band"

oh yeah???
were they his "favorite band" when he was not putting their name on the marquee of certain venues, for fear of them showing him up???

if they are his "favorite band", why hasn't prince used any of his “industry clout” to help them release a REAL “Time” album – something the group hasn’t done in FIFTEEN years..

OF COURSE it's VERY EASY for prince to now say that The Time-
rather "Morris Day & The Time"
(& people.. there IS a difference between the 2)
is his favorite group..
they are his favorite group because they are no longer a THREAT to him on stage or on vinyl. they were no longer a threat the moment he sent Jimmy & Terry packing. "Morris Day & The Time" can still bring some funk today,
but it's NOT the same as the "prime" Time of 1981-83.


THANKS, prince.
(asshole!)

in re-reading my post, I see that part of it somehow did not appear..
what's missing is:


"prince erasing part/all of Jesse's Jungle Love solo sounds about right to me, it sounds just like something prince would have done then."

mltijchr said:

-----
Did'nt Prince just give them a spot opening for him in serveral major cities.
Did they not just appear on T.V with him,

I think are his favorite band. I think you are forgetting he wrote most of the songs and probaly made a good chuck of money off of them.

He likes them so much he let's them use the name the Time that he actually owns.

oh YES
it was SO GENEROUS of prince to allow "Morris Day & The Time" to share his sacred concert stage.. OH, Morris & the fellas should be doing cartwheels & thanking their lucky stars that prince deemed them worthy to play a few shows with him..

again : let's see prince have THE TIME - WITH JESSE & JIMMY & TERRY - play the same show. of course, we all know that this WON'T happen - for several reasons, but I would be shocked if prince let the ORIGINAL group play in the same show with him again. he'd be shakin' in his little purple g-string.


then in my initial thread, I did say that prince wrote & played basically everything on all 3 The Time albums. that's common knowledge.


your last comment I think actually helped me to realize why today (& for the last several years) it's "Morris Day & The Time" ; if prince owns the rights to "The Time", the current group can't use that without "paying" prince something, or some "legal thing" happening..
I had simply presumed that "Morris Day & The Time" has been used to show the difference between the current lineup with Tori & Freeze, et al
& the ORIGINAL lineup..


anyway you want to slice it, prince's jealously broke up 1 of the funkiest bands of all time.

I was always under the impression that after filming 'Purple Rain', the guys in The Time just couldn't take it anymore and disbanded on their own. Was it really Prince's decision to end the group?

sextonseven said:

from what I remember from the various legitimate sources
(& I'm sure others here will confirm or refute this)..
1st of course, prince fired Jam & Lewis, then Monte left on his own (mainly to continue working with Jam & Lewis);
not long after, Morris had decided too that he had had enough & started planning his "solo move", including hiring his own agent & moving to L.A.

once it became clear that Morris was not going to be in the group, that left basically Jesse & Jellybean & Jerome, plus the "replacement" members Mark Cardenas & Paul Peterson (on the keys & synths) & Gerry Hubbard (bass).

prince apparently had the (crazy) idea to have Paul front the band after Morris' departure, but this idea - not surprisingly - did not sit well with Jesse. prince & Jesse reportedly went out for a drive, & when they got back, that was basically it for The Time as they had initially been known.

of course, Purple Rain came out soon after.. & up to its release people were asking was the group breaking up but (prince's?) media people & everyone else around denied this. anyway, by the time the film came out, the group was over.

then of course, prince took Paul, Jellybean & Jerome & put them in The Family, while Morris & Jesse started their solo careers..


so based on what I know about the situation, the group it wasn't really prince's "decision" to end the group,
it was more like the result of the group falling apart & its remaining members wanting to GET THE HELL OUT after prince fired Jam & Lewis for missing that Texas gig on the 1999/"Triple Threat" tour..

mltijchr said:

-----
"it was SO GENEROUS of prince to allow "Morris Day & The Time" to share his sacred concert stage.. OH, Morris & the fellas should be doing cartwheels & thanking their lucky stars that prince deemed them worthy to play a few shows with him.."
-----
Yes, it was generous. 100 million dollar tour in front of 20k venues. It is a lot better than the casino circuit.

-----

"let's see prince have THE TIME - WITH JESSE & JIMMY & TERRY - play the same show. of course, we all know that this WON'T happen - for several reasons, but I would be shocked if prince let the ORIGINAL group play in the same show with him again. he'd be shakin' in his little purple g-string."

I don't think anyone is stopping Jimmy and Terry from performing with the Time.
You have to remember P has a really tight band now. This aint't the Revolution.
Your trying to take one guy who can only do so much on a stage and pit him against a whole band.

With the proper support P could the The Time a run for their money.

_____

I am pretty sure the guys have put their differences aside so I guess the fans can put aside their differences too. I don't the think P was going to continue to work with a funk to much longer after PR because you can't make as much money on a RnB bank as you can writing and producing for Pop groups. He was really pushing his pop side in the early 80's.

mltijchr said:

Mostly because Jam and Lewis have enough to do with their careers as the most successful songwriting and production duo of all-time. Maybe the other originals have moved on musically as well. I mean I love that group, but its gotta get old playin' "777-9311" for 20+ years.

You seem to take the Time's "break-up" a little too personally. That group made its funky mark and is done. Get over it...