Well 1st off....Prince more than likley "edited" Jesse's guitar solo for lp time purposes. Plus if you keep it simple on wax you can do more like. Also Prince has been reported saying WB used to be on him about numbeer of tunes,and song length. So Jesse, who at that time, had never really dealt with the Corporate structure of a label blamed the 1st person he could, Prince.

I mean I dug/dig Jesse. But he got a break because of Prince. He held his own afterwards. But 40% of his fame was due to his "Time" association. After he left the camp he had his band set up like the "Revolution". Prince had the color purple, Jesse had "pink". Prince had band issues. Jesse didn't pay his band!!!!

Matter of fact he bought Princes old mixing board for Jungle Love studios.The same one "jungle love" was recorded on. If I'm not mistaken he recorded his and TaMara and the Seen's 1st releases on that board. It's always easy to say how unfair Prince was after the fact. But truth is he got a chance most dream about,he could come out today and folks would check for him.

JQuad said:

All that sh*t you just said doesn't excuse rudeness. Refardless of what you say, as I said before there is a WAY TO DO SOMETHING.

BlaqueKnight said:

Exactly. Tell'em BK. The play hating by P wasn't called for period and that's the bottom line period.

How do you know Jesse isn't an a*@hole? or rude? That particluar story is one-sided. Do you have Prince's side of the story? Most people in Prince's position have to pull rank....those in Jesse's position at the time always say the power people are rude or a@$holes. But ok for the sake of disscussion how should it have been done?

JQuad said:

Don't get me wrong, I not saying that Jesse's shit don't stink. But, I have communicated with people who have worked w/ P and they know his shit don't smell like roses either. Basically, at the end of the day with P, its not about friendship its about buisiness and nothing personal. Once P is done with his purpose with you, he moves on.

StoneCitylives said:

Thank uuuuu

BlaqueKnight said:

BlaqueKnight said:

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He was the producer of the CD. He can do what he wants with the project. Just like WB could have put any of P music on the shelf or put in out in outer Burma.

As a P-Funk fan you must know that MCA kept the master tapes for a 1984 Funkadelic CD that George Clinton produced. The CD has never been heard and George can not get the master tape.

It is a business.

Well you have a chief and you have indians. Prince was the chief....he was the dude WB and management said fire...terry and jimmy....if WB said the songs are too long they didn't call Morris or Monte. Plus Prince put up the funds and his name was on the line. His way worked. We are having this discussion because his way worked. So he may have been arrogant when being questioned by some of his "indians" so to say. I'm sure Jesse didn't let the "Seen" play on the TaMara record. I'm sure daKraSH really didn't play on their record.

So we'll just have to wait until Prince does his autobio....,like Miles did with his I'm sure Prince will shock folks.

Unfortunately,Prince's controlling ways is really what killed The Time.If he had allowed them more creative control,and had not over-reacted and fired Jam and Lewis,they probably would have survived throughout the 80s.Prince has admitted that they were becoming "like Godzilla" and that they were the only band he was afraid of.It's possible that,in many ways,he felt threatened by them.

That's the key word, "bought". Prince didn't give him the board so Jesse owes him nothing and it was Jesse's talent that made those albums, not Prince's.

...and Johnny Cash had "black"...

DavidEye said:

Well Said.

vainandy said:

Tell'em Vain.

JQuad said:

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Co-Sign. He was the boss. He did not handle himself in a very professional manner but he was also 24 at the time.

Jimmy Jam said he owed WB a lot of money and that was the reason he came up with The Time in the first place. His ass was in a sling money-wise. He had a lot riding on the project.

JQuad said:

Look, I got this straight from someone who was PRESENT and that's Morris. Morris himself thought P's conduct was fucked up and sided with Jessie. That instance was no different than P taking the music to "Uptown" and "Do Me, Baby" from Andre. A cat whose family took P in and fed him and helped put clothes on his back. So whoever wants to justify P's behavior when he fucked over people cuz he had the power to do so, that's your right. But don't flip out if other's don't jump on the justification wagon. P doesn't hardly need ya'll to come to his defense.

I know Jesse live in Los Angeles but what is he doing?

Thank U, BG - was waiting for you to add your voice of reason to this thread

blackguitaristz said:

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Never mind that Morris was coked out his mind. Not the most realiable source of info but I don't think anyone on this topic is saying P was some sort of saint.

laurarichardson said:

Oh Boy....here we go again! Jesse's been labeled a "total druggie" now "Morris
was coked out of his mind" How can you make such an assertion? Did you somehow gaze into your crystal ball and see him do a few lines that particular day?

I can tolerate a bit of healthy specualtion..but why interject such negativity?
More dirt dishing, what's the deal with that? The issue of Prince trashing Jesse's guitar tracks aside, can we get back to discussing the music...please!


-kstrat-
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laurarichardson said:

On the night that I worked with Morris and Andre, neither one of them were on coke or any other type of drug.

blackguitaristz said:

Like my boy blaque mentioned earlier, the right thing to have done was just mute the parts P didn't want. All P had to do was do a rough mixdown of the version he prefered, and play that to Jessie. THEN, Jessie and P could have decided what should go down from there. True enough, P was the producer, BUT, it was Jessie's song. Jessie basically cut all of the tracks on that song alone, just like he ended up doing for Tamara's albums, etc. You don't treat someone that has worked with you, toured with you, with that type of disregard and disrespect. P could have easily said "This is what I hear. I think we should have it this long, blah blah." Then, all Jessie had to do was pick his favorite parts and spots of his solo and "edit" it all together to fit the time frame P wanted. But, after sections of Jessie's work was GONE, that would have blown the whole solo of what Jessie wanted. Jessie was waaay to good of a guitarist to pull that kind of shit on. He deserved more respect than that in that situation, period. If it was that bad for P to do some shit like that, he shouldn't have let Jessie cut the song in the first place.

JesseDezz said:

It definitely was time for his voice of reason to immerge.Thank you BG for letting people know the real deal.
[Edited 4/19/05 14:12pm]

Hotlegs said:

Your welcome, babe.

1st I am not condoning asshole behavior. Yet I realize that their is waaaay more 2 these stories than just Morris' side or Jesse's side. I mean dude isn't that much of a asshole if he looked out for his childhood friends and gave them a chance. Hell on the Mazarati project Prince,BMark and Sir Terry did that album not cause of Prince being a control freak but because it was less expensive to only fly 3 people to LA as opposed to the whole group.I'm sure the same applied for the Time.

I have always thought Jesse was a better guitar player.....but hell that's his only instrument....Jellybean is a better drummer than Prince....as much as Jesse may think Prince is an asshole, Jesse has former employees claming he's a deadbeat cause he didn't pay them!!!!
Bottom line he took a concept Prince came up with(his Time image) and ran with it. He rode the color thing on the heels of Prince and whole "Purple" phase. Every press pic during 85 his ass was in Pink....Probably a A&M decision....but he did nevertheless. I remeber him sitting on Video Soul discussing "pink is my fav color I think it's erotic!!!!" Hell it's wasn't bad marketing...it worked so I ain't mad. Plus he and Vanity were cool so I'm sure that rubbed Prince the wrong way. So as much as I them Jesse nor Prince can throw stones from a glass castle.

The bottomline is:

It's ALL Jerome's fault.

Eroticist said:

Hey leave me boy Jerome out it. He can help the fact that he's crafty with a mirror.

laurarichardson said:

:confuse:Now I'm not 100% sure if I'm right so correct me if I'm not, but I'm pretty sure Jimmy and Terry didn't produce Damita Joe. The whole vibe is different from her usual stuff for that very reason. I know Kanye West did some tracks on it.

MsLegs said:

Don't forget the MUSICALLY INTENSE TRIANGLE! LOL!

I just like the fact that we're talkin' about Jesse - it's hard to find much on the 'net about the man in pink!!! Back in '85, it was cool to have extended guitar solos on your records. Goin' back even further, think about the Isley's albums back in the day - you know that at least one song was going to contain some serious guitar soloing.

Those were the days