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Lisa Coleman & The Time Aight..so a few months back we got into this huge debate in the Prince: Music & More forum about how much involvement Lisa had with the time....W&L's official site mentions that Lisa was involved with the first two albums but doesnt explain how much...
For the life of me I couldnt figure out where I had read that lisa wrote some of the tracks and then, duh, i found it. Girlbroslandia.org mentions the following: http://www.girlbroslandia...index.html said: In Dave Hill's Prince biography A Pop Life Time keyboardist Monte Moir
attributes much of the songwriting on The Time's first album to Prince and Lisa Coleman, and you can hear her contributions directly on tracks like "The Stick," a perfect love song to a car if I ever heard one. so i was wondering if anybody knew about specifics of her involvement....Is that her singing back-up on "If The Kid Cant Make You Cum"? whats the dealio.. eeks..edit!! [Edited 3/16/05 15:12pm] Space for sale... | |
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she could haveplayed synchs on "get it up", "cool", "the stick" | |
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You know, I have read and heard on numerous occasions over the years that Lisa is all over the first Time album. I seem to recall some info at the copyright office backing this up, as well. | |
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4nowneway said: she could haveplayed synchs on "get it up", "cool", "the stick"
She also could have leaped a tall building in a single bound and split the atom - but she didnt! What kind of dumb comment is that? It means nothing without verification. Read Dez's book and get some facts from someone who was there. [Edited 3/17/05 6:29am] | |
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newpower4ever said: 4nowneway said: she could haveplayed synchs on "get it up", "cool", "the stick"
She also could have leaped a tall building in a single bound and split the atom - but she didnt! What kind of dumb comment is that? It means nothing without verification. Read Dez's book and get some facts from someone who was there. [Edited 3/17/05 6:29am] Vicious!!!!  I am not African. Africa is in me, but I cannot return.
I am not taína. Taíno is in me, but there is no way back. I am not european. Europe lives in me, but I have no home there. I am new. History made me. My first language was spanglish. And I am | |
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newpower4ever said: 4nowneway said: she could haveplayed synchs on "get it up", "cool", "the stick"
She also could have leaped a tall building in a single bound and split the atom - but she didnt! What kind of dumb comment is that? It means nothing without verification. Read Dez's book and get some facts from someone who was there. [Edited 3/17/05 6:29am] and monte moir wasnt there then?  Space for sale... | |
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that's definately her voice on "the stick" and "gigolos get lonely too" I think. The Org is the short yellow bus of the Prince Internet fan community. | |
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newpower4ever said: She also could have leaped a tall building in a single bound and split the atom - but she didnt!
Actually, you're wrong about that tall building thing... | |
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Lisa definately co- wrote "The Stick" with P. They share writing credit with ASCAP. As far as backing vocals, she's everywhere on the first Time album. P loved Lisa's voice, in a way, I think, more so than Jill's. Lisa's voice blended in better with P's voice and the type of cuts he was doing between 80 and 82. Jill has a much more powerful voice and distinctive voice than Lisa's, so it was harder to "shade" or blend in than Lisa. Lisa had a campy, sexy voice which was perfect for what P was doing back then. SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
nammie "What BGZ says I believe. I have the biggest crush on him." http://ccoshea19.googlepa...ssanctuary http://ccoshea19.googlepages.com | |
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blackguitaristz said: Lisa definately co- wrote "The Stick" with P. They share writing credit with ASCAP. As far as backing vocals, she's everywhere on the first Time album. P loved Lisa's voice, in a way, I think, more so than Jill's. Lisa's voice blended in better with P's voice and the type of cuts he was doing between 80 and 82. Jill has a much more powerful voice and distinctive voice than Lisa's, so it was harder to "shade" or blend in than Lisa. Lisa had a campy, sexy voice which was perfect for what P was doing back then.
funny that you say that..during the apple imac seminar lisa mentioned she uses a certain type of mic because she has a soft voice that needs amplifying.... thanks for the info..... Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: blackguitaristz said: Lisa definately co- wrote "The Stick" with P. They share writing credit with ASCAP. As far as backing vocals, she's everywhere on the first Time album. P loved Lisa's voice, in a way, I think, more so than Jill's. Lisa's voice blended in better with P's voice and the type of cuts he was doing between 80 and 82. Jill has a much more powerful voice and distinctive voice than Lisa's, so it was harder to "shade" or blend in than Lisa. Lisa had a campy, sexy voice which was perfect for what P was doing back then.
funny that you say that..during the apple imac seminar lisa mentioned she uses a certain type of mic because she has a soft voice that needs amplifying.... thanks for the info..... Cool! SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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blackguitaristz said: Lisa definately co- wrote "The Stick" with P. They share writing credit with ASCAP. As far as backing vocals, she's everywhere on the first Time album. P loved Lisa's voice, in a way, I think, more so than Jill's. Lisa's voice blended in better with P's voice and the type of cuts he was doing between 80 and 82. Jill has a much more powerful voice and distinctive voice than Lisa's, so it was harder to "shade" or blend in than Lisa. Lisa had a campy, sexy voice which was perfect for what P was doing back then.
Lisa has THE sexiest voice! Who else could mutter these (rather ridiculous) lines and pull them off like Lisa could? I'm just a virgin and I'm...on my way to be wed... but you're such a hunk...so full of spunk...  The Org is the short yellow bus of the Prince Internet fan community. | |
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newpower4ever said: 4nowneway said: she could haveplayed synchs on "get it up", "cool", "the stick"
She also could have leaped a tall building in a single bound and split the atom - but she didnt! What kind of dumb comment is that? It means nothing without verification. Read Dez's book and get some facts from someone who was there. [Edited 3/17/05 6:29am] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Ifsixwuz9 said: newpower4ever said: She also could have leaped a tall building in a single bound and split the atom - but she didnt! What kind of dumb comment is that? It means nothing without verification. Read Dez's book and get some facts from someone who was there. [Edited 3/17/05 6:29am] dont encourage him..and dont you start if  i know how much you love the girls..
so newpower, did you read the book? if so, share the knowledge.....i havent read it and im curious about her contributions.. please please please..  Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: Ifsixwuz9 said: dont encourage him..and dont you start if i know how much you love the girls..
so newpower, did you read the book? if so, share the knowledge.....i havent read it and im curious about her contributions.. please please please.. Who me? I didn't say anything. 
but... I don't know if I would put too much stock into the writing credits Prince filed with the ASCAP. He was known for giving people credit on songs they didn't have anything to do with. I do think she did background vocals. But I haven't read Dez's book so .... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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sosgemini said: Aight..so a few months back we got into this huge debate in the Prince: Music & More forum about how much involvement Lisa had with the time....W&L's official site mentions that Lisa was involved with the first two albums but doesnt explain how much...
For the life of me I couldnt figure out where I had read that lisa wrote some of the tracks and then, duh, i found it. Girlbroslandia.org mentions the following: http://www.girlbroslandia...index.html said: In Dave Hill's Prince biography A Pop Life Time keyboardist Monte Moir
attributes much of the songwriting on The Time's first album to Prince and Lisa Coleman, and you can hear her contributions directly on tracks like "The Stick," a perfect love song to a car if I ever heard one. so i was wondering if anybody knew about specifics of her involvement....Is that her singing back-up on "If The Kid Cant Make You Cum"? whats the dealio.. eeks..edit!! [Edited 3/16/05 15:12pm] It sounds like her..... I can hear her on "The Stick" too... | |
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blackguitaristz said: Lisa definately co- wrote "The Stick" with P. They share writing credit with ASCAP. As far as backing vocals, she's everywhere on the first Time album. P loved Lisa's voice, in a way, I think, more so than Jill's. Lisa's voice blended in better with P's voice and the type of cuts he was doing between 80 and 82. Jill has a much more powerful voice and distinctive voice than Lisa's, so it was harder to "shade" or blend in than Lisa. Lisa had a campy, sexy voice which was perfect for what P was doing back then.
Agree..... | |
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Ifsixwuz9 said: Who me? I didn't say anything.
but... I don't know if I would put too much stock into the writing credits Prince filed with the ASCAP. He was known for giving people credit on songs they didn't have anything to do with. I do think she did background vocals. But I haven't read Dez's book so .... We must be thinking of two different Princes. I know the one who DIDN'T give others credit for playing and writing in the early days because he & Warner were pushing the one man band image so tough he wouldn't hear of it. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: Ifsixwuz9 said: Who me? I didn't say anything.
but... I don't know if I would put too much stock into the writing credits Prince filed with the ASCAP. He was known for giving people credit on songs they didn't have anything to do with. I do think she did background vocals. But I haven't read Dez's book so .... We must be thinking of two different Princes. I know the one who DIDN'T give others credit for playing and writing in the early days because he & Warner were pushing the one man band image so tough he wouldn't hear of it. Oh great..a nice thread is about to turn into another argument. [Edited 3/18/05 20:51pm] The Org is the short yellow bus of the Prince Internet fan community. | |
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How much of a contribution others made to Prince's early works as well as the first two Time records has always sparked debate.  for trying to subtly suggest that my posting on the topic would spark a big dispute. Don't start with me, Peg. I wasn't bothering you. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: [color=blue][b]How much of a contribution others made to Prince's early works as well as the first two Time records has always sparked debate.
Only when YOU'RE in the conversation. Otherwise, it's pretty peaceful. oh, and uh, back atcha.The Org is the short yellow bus of the Prince Internet fan community. | |
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Ifsixwuz9 said: I don't know if I would put too much stock into the writing credits Prince filed with the ASCAP. He was known for giving people credit on songs they didn't have anything to do with. I do think she did background vocals. But I haven't read Dez's book so ....
Actually, to clarify that statement; He was mostly known for keeping the credit all to himself on really good songs and then throwing the contributors names on more obscure songs they didn't actually help with in a lot of cases.
In fact, wasn't there a W&L interview around the time of Girl Bros. where Wendy commented on this very fact regarding credit for things like Purple Rain versus Computer Blue. Btw, on a slightly unrelated note... who does ASCAP / the Copyright Office list as the writers of Mountains and Sometimes It Snows In April? | |
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Since Lisa's vocals are all over some of the earlier works, its not beyond comprehension that she would have contributed creatively to the projects as well. There seems to be a circle of people who believe that all the musicians around Prince perform like robots, only playing what he tells them to, when he tells them to. Anyone who has been in a band that has lasted longer than five minutes knows that the creative process does not work that way. Musicians bounce ideas off each other all the time, and very swiftly a that. Only when the time to cut the check comes around do the debates as to who did what seem to come about. I don't doubt Lisa contributed at all. The bottom line is still whoever writes the checks controls the liner notes. Regardless to what is written in any book and who says what, ultimately, he who writes the check gets the last word. WB wrote checks to Prince. Prince wrote checks to everyone else. Speaking of check writing, I hear Charles STILL wants his drum set.  | |
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BlaqueKnight said: Ifsixwuz9 said: Who me? I didn't say anything.
but... I don't know if I would put too much stock into the writing credits Prince filed with the ASCAP. He was known for giving people credit on songs they didn't have anything to do with. I do think she did background vocals. But I haven't read Dez's book so .... We must be thinking of two different Princes. I know the one who DIDN'T give others credit for playing and writing in the early days because he & Warner were pushing the one man band image so tough he wouldn't hear of it. Oh don't get me wrong it went both ways. But do you really think Vanity had jack to do with creating anthing on the Vanity 6 album? Well she gets writing credit on a couple of tunes. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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jtfolden said: Ifsixwuz9 said: I don't know if I would put too much stock into the writing credits Prince filed with the ASCAP. He was known for giving people credit on songs they didn't have anything to do with. I do think she did background vocals. But I haven't read Dez's book so ....
Actually, to clarify that statement; He was mostly known for keeping the credit all to himself on really good songs and then throwing the contributors names on more obscure songs they didn't actually help with in a lot of cases.
In fact, wasn't there a W&L interview around the time of Girl Bros. where Wendy commented on this very fact regarding credit for things like Purple Rain versus Computer Blue. Btw, on a slightly unrelated note... who does ASCAP / the Copyright Office list as the writers of Mountains and Sometimes It Snows In April? Yes. She said they were given writing credit for Computer Blue, and said they had nothing to do with it. But helped to write Purple Rain and received no credit. So like I said it cut both ways. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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BlaqueKnight said: Since Lisa's vocals are all over some of the earlier works, its not beyond comprehension that she would have contributed creatively to the projects as well. There seems to be a circle of people who believe that all the musicians around Prince perform like robots, only playing what he tells them to, when he tells them to. Anyone who has been in a band that has lasted longer than five minutes knows that the creative process does not work that way. Musicians bounce ideas off each other all the time, and very swiftly a that. Only when the time to cut the check comes around do the debates as to who did what seem to come about. I don't doubt Lisa contributed at all. The bottom line is still whoever writes the checks controls the liner notes. Regardless to what is written in any book and who says what, ultimately, he who writes the check gets the last word. WB wrote checks to Prince. Prince wrote checks to everyone else. Speaking of check writing, I hear Charles STILL wants his drum set.
I have my doubts about about Lisa's contributions (other than backing vocals) to the Time material because 1. Everytime this issue comes up her contribution changes depending on who is telling the story. First it was keys, then it was vocals, then it's lyrics. Never have I ever heard one person who was there at the time say she contributed to all three. 2. The Time Albums are very funky. And the synth lines just don't seem to be her style. Matt Fink ... yes. Lisa...no. And that's just my opinion based on everything she's done starting with ATWIAD all the way to the W&L solo efforts and the session work she's done with various artists I've heard. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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You don't think Vanity could have written lyrics on the V6 album? Maybe. Maybe not. What is fact is that she wrote the lyrics on her solo CDs. Prince is the main artist of the MN sound, but not the ONLY one. This absurd rumor that no one else but Prince writes is ridiculous.[/b] | |
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BlaqueKnight said: You don't think Vanity could have written lyrics on the V6 album? Maybe. Maybe not. What is fact is that she wrote the lyrics on her solo CDs. Prince is the main artist of the MN sound, but not the ONLY one. This absurd rumor that no one else but Prince writes is ridiculous.[/b]
Good for Vanity. I don't have any of her solo cd's so other than the songs that were in "Action Jackson" I don't know what they sound like. I never said Prince was the main artist in MN. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Ifsixwuz9 said: BlaqueKnight said: You don't think Vanity could have written lyrics on the V6 album? Maybe. Maybe not. What is fact is that she wrote the lyrics on her solo CDs. Prince is the main artist of the MN sound, but not the ONLY one. This absurd rumor that no one else but Prince writes is ridiculous.[/b]
Good for Vanity. I don't have any of her solo cd's so other than the songs that were in "Action Jackson" I don't know what they sound like. I never said Prince was the main artist in MN. Action Jackson (with Vanity) was just on tv this weekend! I taped it, so i can fast forward to her songs. She has so much charisma. I have the Skin on Skin cassette - it's pretty good! (even though Prince didn't write it). In the credits it says Special Thanks 2 "Prince.. for Dreams Come True." "All of me  give 2 thee down at your feet ...
The reassurance in your rhythm speaks 2 me." -------------------------------------------------------- "I wanna hold U, wrap U up in lace. And I wanna kiss U, kiss U all over your face." | |
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According 2 research by Per Nilsen, Prince openly asked his band 4 tunes. Prince turned some of Lisa's jams with him in2 material 4 The Time. "The Stick" was Lisa's song despite the fact that Prince is listed as composer with ASCAP. "After High School" was actually penned by Dez as well as the lyrics 2 "Cool" | |
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