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Printable EverlastingNow said: Kazama said: Not gonna touch on why Prince didn't use Dez in the studio more, 'cause I have no idea. I would've liked him to have had a bigger role in that respect. It's all subjective anyway, Prince obviously was taken with the girl's influence for a couple of years...many of his fans weren't. The new CD? I'll wait for solid details before I entertain that subject... [Edited 1/2/05 7:26am] It is pretty split on who was taken by the girl's influence. I think it's cool though that artists approach the girl's when they want that Revolution sound (Gwen Stefani, Van Hunt). I've been a fan since 1979 and I've seen all his bands live save for the Andre lineup and while they were all great, nothing in my opinion touches the Revolution. If you mean split as in this thread - I guess I could go along with that. If you mean split as in the general public - nah... The huge dip in sales for Prince with ATWIAD as opposed to Purple Rain would indicate anything but a split. It could also be argued that if their influence was truly split amongst Prince fans, then the girls would've done way bigger #'s in their own efforts back then. Everyone who followed that band knew W&L, but their sale's #'s have never been astronomical. [Edited 1/2/05 14:57pm] | |
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EverlastingNow said: Kazama said: And you're still on the "input" tip btw, which has been reiterated several times before that input isn't how they were being pitted when people initially drew comparisons. That's just some shit you used to slant the subject of who played better; which ironically you said Dez!
    I didn't slant any shit, you just keep trying to make some sort of point and I guess got lost somewhere in it yourself, I'll leave breadcrumbs next time sorry. I've never disputed that Dez wasn't a great guitar player and that he could solo like Wendy could not, but she could funk and brought a lot more to the table than Dez ever did. And for the record, Wendy is MY favorite guitar player in Prince's band but if you want to talk best Mike Scott is far and away the best guitar player he's ever had. I think I'm over this thread now, the horse has been beaten to death and is now glue so I'm sure our paths will cross again when this subject comes up right on schedule in a week.  Yeah you did! You askewed it when you started bringing up collabos, when nobody was comparing them that way. People thought she was a step down on guitar and here you go "she got to work with P, Dez didn't have that trust" blah blah yap yap - "she's worked with such and such" yap yap... What a fanboy (or girl)! 
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Kazama said: EverlastingNow said: It is pretty split on who was taken by the girl's influence. I think it's cool though that artists approach the girl's when they want that Revolution sound (Gwen Stefani, Van Hunt). I've been a fan since 1979 and I've seen all his bands live save for the Andre lineup and while they were all great, nothing in my opinion touches the Revolution. If you mean split as in this thread - I guess I could go along with that. If you mean split as in the general public - nah... The huge dip in sales for Prince with ATWIAD as opposed to Purple Rain would indicate anything but a split. It could also be argued that if their influence was truly split amongst Prince fans, then the girls would've done way bigger #'s in their solo efforts back then. Everyone who followed that band knew W&L, but their sale's #'s have never been astronomical. hold up..your talking about a completely different time period..this wantthe internet age..there were no forums such as this to spread the word....i still run into purple rain fans who are like (wendy and lisa had albums?).. heck, even at the sheila e b-day bash we could see a whisper amoungst the crowd (who is that? oh *that* wendy)...so to say all the fans of the purple rain height were hip to the wendy and lisa solo debut is a huge leap in reality... couple that with the fact that wendy and lisa's music followed no prior proven standard...the studios (and critics) loved each of their albums..but how the hell do you sell white-chick funk/rock/acoustic-pop..(and sometimes all in one song).... the marketing people didnt know what to do with it.....and thats where things went wrong....what was hot during that time? we had hard rock hairbands, teen bands (nkotb, debbie and tiffany) and then grunge.... it would have taken a stroke of marketing genious (or a shit load of marketing money like only a clive davis or that guy who was banging mariah carey that bankrolled her career) to get the girls enough attention to make them stars..... Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: Kazama said: If you mean split as in this thread - I guess I could go along with that. If you mean split as in the general public - nah... The huge dip in sales for Prince with ATWIAD as opposed to Purple Rain would indicate anything but a split. It could also be argued that if their influence was truly split amongst Prince fans, then the girls would've done way bigger #'s in their solo efforts back then. Everyone who followed that band knew W&L, but their sale's #'s have never been astronomical. hold up..your talking about a completely different time period..this wantthe internet age..there were no forums such as this to spread the word....i still run into purple rain fans who are like (wendy and lisa had albums?).. heck, even at the sheila e b-day bash we could see a whisper amoungst the crowd (who is that? oh *that* wendy)...so to say all the fans of the purple rain height were hip to the wendy and lisa solo debut is a huge leap in reality... couple that with the fact that wendy and lisa's music followed no prior proven standard...the studios (and critics) loved each of their albums..but how the hell do you sell white-chick funk/rock/acoustic-pop..(and sometimes all in one song).... the marketing people didnt know what to do with it.....and thats where things went wrong....what was hot during that time? we had hard rock hairbands, teen bands (nkotb, debbie and tiffany) and then grunge.... it would have taken a stroke of marketing genious (or a shit load of marketing money like only a clive davis or that guy who was banging mariah carey that bankrolled her career) to get the girls enough attention to make them stars..... People totally loved W&L back then, they were the "hot chicks" in P's band. The Purple Rain movie's plot involved them greatly. Hell, they even became icons for the gay & lesbian community for christ's sake while with the Rev. Don't make it seem like they had no noteriety, no buzz when they went solo. No internet in the '80's huh. I kinda already knew that. Magazine Publications? Music Videos? <--- I know they had some, 'cause I've seen a few. Maybe they weren't all over the place, but you're making it seem like they were totally underground back then, and I just don't agree with that. When their music follows no "prior proven standard", don't they set a standard with an initial release? Don't they follow that standard with later releases? [Edited 1/2/05 16:11pm] | |
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Kazama said: sosgemini said: hold up..your talking about a completely different time period..this wantthe internet age..there were no forums such as this to spread the word....i still run into purple rain fans who are like (wendy and lisa had albums?).. heck, even at the sheila e b-day bash we could see a whisper amoungst the crowd (who is that? oh *that* wendy)...so to say all the fans of the purple rain height were hip to the wendy and lisa solo debut is a huge leap in reality... couple that with the fact that wendy and lisa's music followed no prior proven standard...the studios (and critics) loved each of their albums..but how the hell do you sell white-chick funk/rock/acoustic-pop..(and sometimes all in one song).... the marketing people didnt know what to do with it.....and thats where things went wrong....what was hot during that time? we had hard rock hairbands, teen bands (nkotb, debbie and tiffany) and then grunge.... it would have taken a stroke of marketing genious (or a shit load of marketing money like only a clive davis or that guy who was banging mariah carey that bankrolled her career) to get the girls enough attention to make them stars..... People totally loved W&L back then, they were the "hot chicks" in P's band. The Purple Rain movie's plot involved them greatly. Hell, they even became icons for the gay & lesbian community for christ's sake while with the Rev. Don't make it seem like they had no noteriety, no buzz when they went solo. No internet in the '80's huh. I kinda already knew that. Magazine Publications? Music Videos? <--- I know they had some, 'cause I've seen a few. Maybe they weren't all over the place, but you're making it seem like they were totally underground back then, and I just don't agree with that. When their music follows no "prior proven standard", don't they set a standard with an initial release? Don't they follow that standard with later releases? [Edited 1/2/05 16:11pm] proven success is probably a better choice of words....when have two white female (hinted at lesbians) who play alt-rock/pop/funk/soul music been a success? heck, tina marie is the closest but even her music was more quantifiably funk/soul... Space for sale... | |
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and when you say "people" you mean what small fan base who still loved prince at that time had an interest in wendy and lisa...some of them bought their album...thats why they released three albums and had a huge following in Europe....
here in the states, the people moved on to the before mentioned sounds....but yes, new kids in the block sold a lot more then prince during that time...so they must have been more talented then dez, wendy and lisa and heck prince for that matter..  Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: hold up..your talking about a completely different time period..this wantthe internet age..there were no forums such as this to spread the word....i still run into purple rain fans who are like (wendy and lisa had albums?).. heck, even at the sheila e b-day bash we could see a whisper amoungst the crowd (who is that? oh *that* wendy)...so to say all the fans of the purple rain height were hip to the wendy and lisa solo debut is a huge leap in reality... couple that with the fact that wendy and lisa's music followed no prior proven standard...the studios (and critics) loved each of their albums..but how the hell do you sell white-chick funk/rock/acoustic-pop..(and sometimes all in one song).... the marketing people didnt know what to do with it.....and thats where things went wrong....what was hot during that time? we had hard rock hairbands, teen bands (nkotb, debbie and tiffany) and then grunge.... it would have taken a stroke of marketing genious (or a shit load of marketing money like only a clive davis or that guy who was banging mariah carey that bankrolled her career) to get the girls enough attention to make them stars..... As I sit here and read this thread several things came to mind when I came upon your post. 1) Wendy & Lisa were known back then by name. Hell they were on the cover of Rolling Stone with Prince in 1986. 2) If the "studios" loved their work so much why were they dropped from not one, but two recording contracts? (Virgin and Columbia, I believe it was.) The un-marketable because they were "white chicks playing pop/rock/funk" doesn't fly in my book because when "Fruit At the Bottom" came out they got plenty of radio play. which leads me to this: 3) When they put out their first album "Wendy & Lisa" they were playing that atmospheric guitar and piano stuff that worked ok on some Prince tunes but sans his vocals and creative input after a while it just sounds like creative elevator music. Then there was "Fruit" which sounded like a prince album without the straight out dirty guitar funk that prince was known for. (Best song on the album was "Satisfaction" and I think Jesse Johnson wrote/produced that.) But as stated in #2 they got airplay, ... with "Are You My Baby". Then they went back to putting out their style of music which is showcased on "EROICrAp". That psychedelic clusterfuck of folk songs from 1991 or so. Then their radio viability went away again. All in all they are good session musicians. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. I just don't see why some folks who post here feel the need to think that everybody has to kiss their asses for being good session musicians. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Ifsixwuz9 said: sosgemini said: hold up..your talking about a completely different time period..this wantthe internet age..there were no forums such as this to spread the word....i still run into purple rain fans who are like (wendy and lisa had albums?).. heck, even at the sheila e b-day bash we could see a whisper amoungst the crowd (who is that? oh *that* wendy)...so to say all the fans of the purple rain height were hip to the wendy and lisa solo debut is a huge leap in reality... couple that with the fact that wendy and lisa's music followed no prior proven standard...the studios (and critics) loved each of their albums..but how the hell do you sell white-chick funk/rock/acoustic-pop..(and sometimes all in one song).... the marketing people didnt know what to do with it.....and thats where things went wrong....what was hot during that time? we had hard rock hairbands, teen bands (nkotb, debbie and tiffany) and then grunge.... it would have taken a stroke of marketing genious (or a shit load of marketing money like only a clive davis or that guy who was banging mariah carey that bankrolled her career) to get the girls enough attention to make them stars..... As I sit here and read this thread several things came to mind when I came upon your post. 1) Wendy & Lisa were known back then by name. Hell they were on the cover of Rolling Stone with Prince in 1986. 2) If the "studios" loved their work so much why were they dropped from not one, but two recording contracts? (Virgin and Columbia, I believe it was.) The un-marketable because they were "white chicks playing pop/rock/funk" doesn't fly in my book because when "Fruit At the Bottom" came out they got plenty of radio play. which leads me to this: 3) When they put out their first album "Wendy & Lisa" they were playing that atmospheric guitar and piano stuff that worked ok on some Prince tunes but sans his vocals and creative input after a while it just sounds like creative elevator music. Then there was "Fruit" which sounded like a prince album without the straight out dirty guitar funk that prince was known for. (Best song on the album was "Satisfaction" and I think Jesse Johnson wrote/produced that.) But as stated in #2 they got airplay, ... with "Are You My Baby". Then they went back to putting out their style of music which is showcased on "EROICrAp". That psychedelic clusterfuck of folk songs from 1991 or so. Then their radio viability went away again. All in all they are good session musicians. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. I just don't see why some folks who post here feel the need to think that everybody has to kiss their asses for being good session musicians. i dont buy the "just good session musician" stance because other artist have declared their admiration...veruca salt, sheryl crow, d'angelo, lenny kravitz, qwen stefani have all expressed that they their solo work has influenced them... neil finn declared "give this woman a recording contract" about wendy... and for the record.."Waterfalls" was their biggest hit..at #25...I am not aware that Are You My Baby or anything else from FATB charted at all...The closest they have had to a chart hit since was "Closing of The Year" w/ Seal which charged at 75. So while you might have heard Are You My Baby the songs or the album was not as successful as the first album...(however, in england each album was recieved better and better).. Now, if my memory serves me correctly Virgin went through management changes at the time Eroica was released and the new marketing team did not know what to do with it...So it tanked...Interesting that a few years later Sheryl Crow would work a similiar sound to stardom..... now after the Virgin fiasco they did sign with another label..Trevor Hornz' ZZT label....but after seven years of Trevor refusing to call the album finished wendy and lisa begged out of the contract... so who know what would have happened if they were able to release something during that timeperiod (when strong female artists were allowed media attention..crowe, sarah mc, tori amos, bjork)... doyle bramhall II (before he married susannah) said, "if my debut album has 2% of the quality that Eroica has..I will be happy"...and thats why he sought out the girls to produce his debut ....now, your right to have your own views on the girls...but i tend to agree with doyle and other musicians assestment of them... Space for sale... | |
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and yeah the girls were on the cover of rolling stones....they were prince girls...we know that cause we are prince fans...
but the average person? or the old casual prince/purple rain fan? they were to remember that pic years later and think, "oh...i liked purple rain so much im gonna get this new album by wendy and lisa"..no, they moved on....wendy and lisa are obscure/cult artist.. as a dire hard wendy and lisa fan even im not dillusional to think that would carry them to success.. heck, if thats the case, how come madonna's donna and nikki or wham's shirley and pepsi didnt blow it big?  to a causal 80's person, wendy and lisa would be lumped into peoples collective memory as equal to them...[Edited 1/2/05 21:17pm] Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: Ifsixwuz9 said: As I sit here and read this thread several things came to mind when I came upon your post. 1) Wendy & Lisa were known back then by name. Hell they were on the cover of Rolling Stone with Prince in 1986. 2) If the "studios" loved their work so much why were they dropped from not one, but two recording contracts? (Virgin and Columbia, I believe it was.) The un-marketable because they were "white chicks playing pop/rock/funk" doesn't fly in my book because when "Fruit At the Bottom" came out they got plenty of radio play. which leads me to this: 3) When they put out their first album "Wendy & Lisa" they were playing that atmospheric guitar and piano stuff that worked ok on some Prince tunes but sans his vocals and creative input after a while it just sounds like creative elevator music. Then there was "Fruit" which sounded like a prince album without the straight out dirty guitar funk that prince was known for. (Best song on the album was "Satisfaction" and I think Jesse Johnson wrote/produced that.) But as stated in #2 they got airplay, ... with "Are You My Baby". Then they went back to putting out their style of music which is showcased on "EROICrAp". That psychedelic clusterfuck of folk songs from 1991 or so. Then their radio viability went away again. All in all they are good session musicians. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. I just don't see why some folks who post here feel the need to think that everybody has to kiss their asses for being good session musicians. i dont buy the "just good session musician" stance because other artist have declared their admiration...veruca salt, sheryl crow, d'angelo, lenny kravitz, qwen stefani have all expressed that they their solo work has influenced them... neil finn declared "give this woman a recording contract" about wendy... and for the record.."Waterfalls" was their biggest hit..at #25...I am not aware that Are You My Baby or anything else from FATB charted at all...The closest they have had to a chart hit since was "Closing of The Year" w/ Seal which charged at 75. So while you might have heard Are You My Baby the songs or the album was not as successful as the first album...(however, in england each album was recieved better and better).. Now, if my memory serves me correctly Virgin went through management changes at the time Eroica was released and the new marketing team did not know what to do with it...So it tanked...Interesting that a few years later Sheryl Crow would work a similiar sound to stardom..... now after the Virgin fiasco they did sign with another label..Trevor Hornz' ZZT label....but after seven years of Trevor refusing to call the album finished wendy and lisa begged out of the contract... so who know what would have happened if they were able to release something during that timeperiod (when strong female artists were allowed media attention..crowe, sarah mc, tori amos, bjork)... doyle bramhall II (before he married susannah) said, "if my debut album has 2% of the quality that Eroica has..I will be happy"...and thats why he sought out the girls to produce his debut ....now, your right to have your own views on the girls...but i tend to agree with doyle and other musicians assestment of them... ** Come on now, anybody that's seen Purple Rain more than once knew who Wendy and Lisa were in the 80's. Now in 2005 you may be hard pressed to find non-musicians or non-prince fans who know who they are/were. ** I never said "Are you my Baby" was their biggest hit. I said it got plenty of airplay, which it did. "Waterfalls" did not get the airplay that "Are You My Baby" did here. ** I don't live in England so I'm not talking about, nor do I know about what their albums did overseas. ** The fact that D'Angelo (prince wannabe) and Lenny kravitz (prince poser), et al., have praised their work is just fine and dandy which still spins right back to them being good session musicians. ** I don't know what went on with them and Trevor Horn so I purposefully didn't mention it, however they still got dropped from two labels (Columbia (a.k.a CBS Records) and Virgin. And just to keep this more in line with the title of the thread I think Dez's comment regarding them was referring to not seeing what the big deal was over their work. In other words -- they're good session musicians who caught a huge break with a high profile act -- what's the big deal with some people kissing their rears like they invented the piano and the guitar. . [Edited 1/2/05 21:17pm] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Ifsixwuz9 said: sosgemini said: i dont buy the "just good session musician" stance because other artist have declared their admiration...veruca salt, sheryl crow, d'angelo, lenny kravitz, qwen stefani have all expressed that they their solo work has influenced them... neil finn declared "give this woman a recording contract" about wendy... and for the record.."Waterfalls" was their biggest hit..at #25...I am not aware that Are You My Baby or anything else from FATB charted at all...The closest they have had to a chart hit since was "Closing of The Year" w/ Seal which charged at 75. So while you might have heard Are You My Baby the songs or the album was not as successful as the first album...(however, in england each album was recieved better and better).. Now, if my memory serves me correctly Virgin went through management changes at the time Eroica was released and the new marketing team did not know what to do with it...So it tanked...Interesting that a few years later Sheryl Crow would work a similiar sound to stardom..... now after the Virgin fiasco they did sign with another label..Trevor Hornz' ZZT label....but after seven years of Trevor refusing to call the album finished wendy and lisa begged out of the contract... so who know what would have happened if they were able to release something during that timeperiod (when strong female artists were allowed media attention..crowe, sarah mc, tori amos, bjork)... doyle bramhall II (before he married susannah) said, "if my debut album has 2% of the quality that Eroica has..I will be happy"...and thats why he sought out the girls to produce his debut ....now, your right to have your own views on the girls...but i tend to agree with doyle and other musicians assestment of them... ** Come on now, anybody that's seen Purple Rain more than once knew who Wendy and Lisa were in the 80's. Now in 2005 you may be hard pressed to find non-musicians or non-prince fans who know who they are/were. ** I never said "Are you my Baby" was their biggest hit. I said it got plenty of airplay, which it did. "Waterfalls" did not get the airplay that "Are You My Baby" did here. ** I don't live in England so I'm not talking about, nor do I know about what their albums did overseas. ** The fact that D'Angelo (prince wannabe) and Lenny kravitz (prince poser), et al., have praised their work is just fine and dandy which still spins right back to them being good session musicians. ** I don't know what went on with them and Trevor Horn so I purposefully didn't mention it, however they still got dropped from two labels (Columbia (a.k.a CBS Records) and Virgin. And just to keep this more in line with the title of the thread I think Dez's comment regarding them was referring to not seeing what the big deal was over their work. In other words -- they're good session musicians who caught a huge break with a high profile act -- what's the big deal with some people kissing their rears like they invented the piano and the guitar. . [Edited 1/2/05 21:17pm] because its "who" thats kissing their rears that matters...bonnie raitt, sheryl crowe, neil finn.....neil finn has been called his generations "best" songwriter by some critics..he praised wendy and lisa on their songwritting skills and collaborative style in interview after interview....something he didnt have to do..seal didnt just have them play instruments on his albums...they co-wrote music and arranged portions of his stuff...same with meshell ndgeochello (sic)...heck, even prince acknowledged it upon the release of girlbros..."nobody paints colors like wendy and lisa"..that was his responce when asked if he got their album...not, "did you buy kd lang's drag to hear wendy play guitar"..that was *his* responce to the *album*. you dont get that excitement and interest over donna and nikki (from madonna fame).....and if dez doesnt get *that*...well, i'll take prince's opinion on the matter before i do dez....and i respect the likes of neil finn, bonnie raitt and seal over dez' as well... but he has the right to feel how he wants...such as you....but im gonna keep on enjoying them colors... Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: because its "who" thats kissing their rears that matters...bonnie raitt, sheryl crowe, neil finn.....neil finn has been called his generations "best" songwriter by some critics..he praised wendy and lisa on their songwritting skills and collaborative style in interview after interview....something he didnt have to do..seal didnt just have them play instruments on his albums...they co-wrote music and arranged portions of his stuff...same with meshell ndgeochello (sic)...heck, even prince acknowledged it upon the release of girlbros..."nobody paints colors like wendy and lisa"..that was his responce when asked if he got their album...not, "did you buy kd lang's drag to hear wendy play guitar"..that was *his* responce to the *album*. you dont get that excitement and interest over donna and nikki (from madonna fame).....and if dez doesnt get *that*...well, i'll take prince's opinion on the matter before i do dez....and i respect the likes of neil finn, bonnie raitt and seal over dez' as well... but he has the right to feel how he wants...such as you....but im gonna keep on enjoying them colors... To be honest the only reason I know the name Neil Finn is because he gets mentioned everytime somebody expresses something that is not fanatical admiration for Wendy and Lisa's work (with or without Prince). I posted earlier in this thread and wondered how long it was going to take before this came up: "heck, even prince acknowledged it upon the release of girlbros..."nobody paints colors like wendy and lisa".." And just like clock work work... there it is. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Does anyone have any pictures what Dez looks like now? I have already seen a couple of photos on his website and I have seen him on his CD cover, but that was in 97? Plus does anyone have a picture of the group Lenny with his son? I wanted to know if his son looks anything like him and does anyone know if he is still with his wife Becky? | |
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TurnItUp said: Does anyone have any pictures what Dez looks like now? I have already seen a couple of photos on his website and I have seen him on his CD cover, but that was in 97? Plus does anyone have a picture of the group Lenny with his son? I wanted to know if his son looks anything like him and does anyone know if he is still with his wife Becky?
theres a thread on the kids band with a pic of him in this forum.... dont know the rest. Space for sale... | |
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TurnItUp said: Does anyone have any pictures what Dez looks like now? I have already seen a couple of photos on his website and I have seen him on his CD cover, but that was in 97? Plus does anyone have a picture of the group Lenny with his son? I wanted to know if his son looks anything like him and does anyone know if he is still with his wife Becky?
his son jordan is in the middle. "Thinking like the Keys on Prince's piano, we'll be just fine" | |
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Soulchild82 said: TurnItUp said: Does anyone have any pictures what Dez looks like now? I have already seen a couple of photos on his website and I have seen him on his CD cover, but that was in 97? Plus does anyone have a picture of the group Lenny with his son? I wanted to know if his son looks anything like him and does anyone know if he is still with his wife Becky?
his son jordan is in the middle. Thanks for sharing this. I didn't expect his son to be this young. I thought he would be 17 or 18. I don't know why I expected him to be a little older. He does favor his father a bit. Is Dez still married and he is still married to the same woman? | |
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TurnItUp said: Soulchild82 said:
his son jordan is in the middle. Thanks for sharing this. I didn't expect his son to be this young. I thought he would be 17 or 18. I don't know why I expected him to be a little older. He does favor his father a bit. Is Dez still married and he is still married to the same woman? he was a bit younger when this was taken. different band too. "Thinking like the Keys on Prince's piano, we'll be just fine" | |
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Soulchild82 said: TurnItUp said: Thanks for sharing this. I didn't expect his son to be this young. I thought he would be 17 or 18. I don't know why I expected him to be a little older. He does favor his father a bit. Is Dez still married and he is still married to the same woman? he was a bit younger when this was taken. different band too. They look like Hanson. | |
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misty2k said: are all American DJ's this dumb?
Pretty much. These two are exceptionally horrible, though. If prince.org were to be made idiot proof, someone would just invent a better idiot. | |
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