lets face it Prince looked like he was heading down the wrong path before getting involved with Larry..the music was faltering after TGE..Prince was looking awful physically in some of the recent video's ive seen from that period its scary how skinny and gaunt Prince was at the time..who knows why he looked like that.and one can only speculate on that...after what happened with the baby and his marriage to Mayte i think everything was crashing down on him and i think if it wasnt for Larry showing him a new way of life & religion i think something really bad could have happened to P..we sometimes make fun of Larry Graham but he could have saved Prince's life and we may have him to thank for Prince's return to form musically and most important health wise

u kno ur right we should b thankin him


MR GRAHAM IF UR OUT THERE THANK U!!!!!

Mazerati said:

Yeah..I wanna personally thank Larry Graham for ruining Prince's career...for showing him the "light of Jehovah"...for changing his whole persona.

Yeah...Thanks a fucking lot!!!

Couldn't give a shit about Larry, Prince makes his own decisions - if Larry influenced him, it's because Prince wanted to be influenced.

Larry made a couple of neat songs that have all dated terribly, and now he lives off of the name of Sly Stone by playing his songs.

And his wife is a loon.

LIKE FUCK!!!!

next topic...

I can only agree that during the Gold era P was hella way too damn skinny - on the VH1 Fashion Awards (red suit, singing P control) he looks ill. The pic where he's wrapped around Mayte's leg (which I can't find in the gallery for some reason) still gets me skurred, his neck is frighteningly thin


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Yes, thank you Larry Graham for bringing Prince into a deeper, more personal relationship with the Watchtower Society. Thank you for showing him that only the Watchtower Society is God's chosen people and anyone who rejects their message will be annihilated on judgment day. Thank you for showing him that Jesus died on a pole and not a cross and that the teachings of Christendom are the teachings of Babylon. Thank you for teaching him that it is better to let your children die then to give them blood transfusions. Thank you for teaching him how sinful it is to celebrate a birthday or play musical instruments in church. But most of all thanks for teaching him how stupid it is to read the Bible for yourself instead of letting the Watchtower Society translate it for you. Sounds like you've set him on the right path.

THANK LARRY GRAHAM! for turning Prince Jehova? I do not think Larry deserves thanks. Prince career would have went on fine without his input. Larry has always been an influence to Prince musically. Too bad it did not stay that way. The Grammy performance should get thanks, the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame induction performance & guitar solo give thanks too. Larry should be thanking Prince for the fact that no one will give him a second look if he was not hanging around him.

Well, Prince recorded some very bad music in the period Larry was in the band, but I think it had nothing to do with him. Maybe Prince was uninspired, and he gave too much of the production to Mr Kirk Johnson.
BUT I have to say that I am very happy with Prince now. After those Bible studies, he is much more ´clean´ now. He gives good interviews, concentrates on musicianship more than ever, gives space to band members, abandoned part of his androgyny and even writes better lyrics now...

Prince"Changed" was it because of Feeling DIRTY or Over-Working/Stress / or too Much Excess? Larry's way more Healthy? Natural living more Healthy a life...However Prince should STILL sing his songs AS IS.... My Opinion...How can ya never do Pussy Control Again? Irresistable Bitch,Erotic City,Head? How can ya think ya are 2 old or too tired for some Act? The ASS One? I Also Miss How Come U Don't Call Me Anymore....Larry is a Cool guy and Tina seems Nice... If Prince Stays or leaves The Jehovah's is His Choice....I don't Know Them Personally..They have Always Been Diplomatic and Friendly to the Fans...

Most inane thread I've ever come across.

The hate Larry Graham received is some of the most ridiculous shit I've ever seen around here. The premise that Larry Graham ruined Prince's music is half the reason other fan sites (not just Prince sites) think that orgers are over-zealous idiots.

psykosoul said:

I find it hard to believe that people on other fan sites care what orgers think.
And if they do, that's just kinda....nuts.

Some white folks always have something negative to say about black peoples positive influence on other blacks. You people think you know Prince and what he's about. I really don't believe the majority of yall here ever had a clue. The man is at peaceful place in his life and yes I'm sure Larry Graham had something to do with it. And no his GCS songs are not dated. They are still incredibly funky and inspiring today. You've probably never heard any of those records you're so quick to talk down. If you listen to them you will hear alot of Prince in them. Lay off the negative Larry posts. Those days are over around here!

sunlite said:

This is the honest to God truth!!!!

[snippage: flame removed--Dansa]

I just wanted to add this....Well, way back Prince was Religious and he wasn't Engaging. It was around 90 Graffiti Bridge time...Then remember Mavis Staples Gospel and remember SOUNDS OF Blackness? Optimistic...Ya See Prince was Always In The Light ya Know...Always around those Years....So like he had some Group around him at The MINNESOTA MUSIC AWARDS in early 90 something...

sunlite said:

hey im white and i started the topic!

btw,where is Larry Graham these days? Is he still a part of the Prince camp?

I'm white and grew up on nothing but black music and ALL of my friends were black back in the day and I am not from the little teenie bopper hip hip generation. The only white person that I considered to be as bad as myself was Teena Marie. That should give you some idea of my age. White people had treated me so bad for hanging with blacks that I didn't want to have anything to do with them. Now that I'm grown, the majority of my friends are still black but I also have white friends too. I finally realized there is SHIT in every race.

I love some Graham Central Station. For instance, "The Jam", "Earthquake", "It's Alright", "Release Yourself", "Water", "Foxy Lady" "Today"....shall I go on! I also love Larry's solo stuff like "Sooner or Later", "I'm So Glad It's Summer Again", "One In A Million", and "Just Be My Lady".

Larry is a very talented artist and is free to speak his mind in his music....BUT...to each his own. Don't try to convert someone, especially when they are at their most vulnerable after losing a child. Why do you think Jehovah Witnesses go door to door...to try to convert people. I tell them all the time, "I respect your religion but you need to respect mine and don't try to convert me. They don't care. In their eyes, they are right and the rest of the world is wrong. They have no tolerance.

It got to the point that I would turn off all the lights and the TV and pretend I was not home. Then, finally I said "fuck it...this is my house dammitt!" When I see them coming now I put in a gay porno movie in the VCR so they see it through the door. I don't have any problems with them at my door anymore.

Once again, Larry is very talented musically but he is a selfrighteous, judgemental, intolerant, sly snake on the personal tip! He needs to do his own thing, which nobody downs, and let everyone do their own thing.

Mazerati said:

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Sunlight said some not all white people. To a certain degree it is true. I think it is obvious that Larry had an influence on changing Prince's life. He looks great, seems to have a better public attitude, and has put out better music and taken the emphasis off of sex and business stuff that the public is not really interested in hearing about in the first place.

You change because you want to change but it helps to have an influence or mentor. It does not mean Larry is controlling P's mind.

sunlite said:

I don't remember anything about this thread having anything to do with whether or not Larry Graham was black or white or yellow or green. I think the point is that Prince has gone through some pretty significant changes--some good, some perceived as not good by some of his fans--and those changes seem to have occurred at a time that Prince was going through some rough stuff, and Larry was around. I personally miss the hell out of some raunchy Prince, and it stinks that it went away, but he seems to be in a better place now. We still have the old stuff, we can listen to that if that is what we want. But no where in this thread is anyone talking about having a problem with blacks influencing blacks...

alhiyh said:

Let me add that I am not trying to be confrontational here--I just think that the issue of Prince being at a better place very much overshadows whether or not it is "Larry's fault", regardless of the color of Larry's skin. I didn't say that very well in my last post! I am just glad The Kid is feeling better and has been eating again!

Larry's obviously been a good friend to Prince.

NouveauDance said:

Is his wife the one with that long hair doing those weird dance steps every now and then? She was at Paisley and just seemed to appear out of nowhere to dance then she was gone again. Looks like she had her night gown on too.

Lovesexy2 said:

That would be Tina.

hmmmm Should we be thanking Larry?

Yea, the same way Mark Chapman thanked Lennon for autographing his copy of Double Fantasy

FiveFootNine said:

Ruining Prince's career? Huh? The Kid did that just fine on his own with the battle with WB.

Now he's a JW with a sold out tour, so I don't see how Larry Graham and P's new religion has ruined his career at all whatsoever.

The LG hate here is so blind. People wanna believe that poor Princey was manipulated by this evil cult figure, when in reality he's an adult who made his own choice in the end.

jujubeans said:

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This is funny, yet accurate at the same time. I guess the only thing I would thank Larry for is getting Prince to use his name again. It was getting lame, hearing all the stupid symbol jokes.