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Printableteller said: cborgman said: teller said: FWIW, I didn't think the AIDS bit was funny either.
and the stuff about C, RD, and Pej being dragged to death? Eh...I can't speak for Ice, but I think he really hates those guys. That was one of those times that I looked the other way. Well, maybe I chimed in and vented once or twice when he was bitching about RD, just because RD pisses me off too sometimes, but I didn't find the outright hatred funny, no. It's close to the edge. well, honestly teller, i feel like your avoidance in your apology of the comments that were the most extremist and the most obscene is a bit of a soft pedal past them. labeling in a general way the camments as comedy is... i dunno. i have said my peace. thank you again for the apology, it does genuinly replace some of the respect i had lost for you in the last few days. i wish you the best. Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely. - Lord Acton | |
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cborgman said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: teller said: The "I hate spades" thread was about shovels. The "I hate coons" thread was about raccoons. Etc, etc, etc. IceNine used to pull this "PSYCHE!" thread shit all the time. Comedy!
But the Uptown Reporter thought it would be fun to lie to you instead. Whoever that is, for someone who went to the trouble to dig through all the archives and find only the worst possible crap, they somehow managed to omit the punchline. Extremely dishonest move, whoever you are...I'm not impressed...but the herd is impressed, so you're a star. The double entendre thing is done here all the time. I'm so retarded I thought the Spades thread was about the card game and went in to explain how to play it  the threads in question were jokes, yes, but disgusting and extremely offensive. i hold those in the same regard as the offensive joke thread. Everyone is free to make their judgements about any and everyone involved. Aarron, Ice, Chemmie...gee wonder what they'd have to say.
I am extremly disinterested in anything any of the three have to say on the matter. chemmie orgnoted me, and i could not bring myself to read it. aaron posted a very half-hearted apology about the AIDS comment, then continued right on attacking. he did not apologize for the gay slurs, because no one called those into question, indicating to me that his apology was false. he seemed only to be sorry for being caught, and sorry that he lost friends over the matter.
The same thing they said here, just not so subtle. I aint defending them so drop the gloves right there please. I don't like that kind of fucked up humor but they do. Hey
I get why this is tinged with such outrage. the dragging and AIDS and all that, those aint pretty subjects. They're hurtful and full of incredible pain. I am sorry for anyone who got hurt because of that shit and hope they can move beyond it and realize that they really don't care what those people think anyway. Believe me, I'm not minimizing, just adding my thoughts... as i said before, i have moved beyond it to some extent, and will continue to do so, but i feel that labeling such extremist comments as comedy is a softshoe around the real issues. When I said "wonder what they'd say" I wasn't referring to what their explanations would be here (if they even had any) but what did people expect they would say in a private environment. And I have never labeled those threads as high comedy... 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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Teller, I'm afraid I lost just about any shred of respect I had left for you. I wish I felt otherwise, especially considering the communicating we did while you were last AWOL from the Org.
That's all. If I started pointing out inconsistencies in your statements and logic, I'd be here all night.
Oh, there is one other thing: why don't you use your "kung fu" to create an IceNine.Org, since he inspires such fierce loyalty and admiration from your group? I think that would be a fine way to showcase his satire, wit, irony and comedy skills and at least everyone here would know what they're getting into if they chose to join... | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: cborgman said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: teller said: The "I hate spades" thread was about shovels. The "I hate coons" thread was about raccoons. Etc, etc, etc. IceNine used to pull this "PSYCHE!" thread shit all the time. Comedy!
But the Uptown Reporter thought it would be fun to lie to you instead. Whoever that is, for someone who went to the trouble to dig through all the archives and find only the worst possible crap, they somehow managed to omit the punchline. Extremely dishonest move, whoever you are...I'm not impressed...but the herd is impressed, so you're a star. The double entendre thing is done here all the time. I'm so retarded I thought the Spades thread was about the card game and went in to explain how to play it the threads in question were jokes, yes, but disgusting and extremely offensive. i hold those in the same regard as the offensive joke thread. Everyone is free to make their judgements about any and everyone involved. Aarron, Ice, Chemmie...gee wonder what they'd have to say.
I am extremly disinterested in anything any of the three have to say on the matter. chemmie orgnoted me, and i could not bring myself to read it. aaron posted a very half-hearted apology about the AIDS comment, then continued right on attacking. he did not apologize for the gay slurs, because no one called those into question, indicating to me that his apology was false. he seemed only to be sorry for being caught, and sorry that he lost friends over the matter.
The same thing they said here, just not so subtle. I aint defending them so drop the gloves right there please. I don't like that kind of fucked up humor but they do. Hey
I get why this is tinged with such outrage. the dragging and AIDS and all that, those aint pretty subjects. They're hurtful and full of incredible pain. I am sorry for anyone who got hurt because of that shit and hope they can move beyond it and realize that they really don't care what those people think anyway. Believe me, I'm not minimizing, just adding my thoughts... as i said before, i have moved beyond it to some extent, and will continue to do so, but i feel that labeling such extremist comments as comedy is a softshoe around the real issues. When I said "wonder what they'd say" I wasn't referring to what their explanations would be here (if they even had any) but what did people expect they would say in a private environment. And I have never labeled those threads as high comedy... i didn't mean to insuate that you did, and i apologize if it is interpreted that way  Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely. - Lord Acton | |
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cborgman said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: cborgman said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: teller said: The "I hate spades" thread was about shovels. The "I hate coons" thread was about raccoons. Etc, etc, etc. IceNine used to pull this "PSYCHE!" thread shit all the time. Comedy!
But the Uptown Reporter thought it would be fun to lie to you instead. Whoever that is, for someone who went to the trouble to dig through all the archives and find only the worst possible crap, they somehow managed to omit the punchline. Extremely dishonest move, whoever you are...I'm not impressed...but the herd is impressed, so you're a star. The double entendre thing is done here all the time. I'm so retarded I thought the Spades thread was about the card game and went in to explain how to play it the threads in question were jokes, yes, but disgusting and extremely offensive. i hold those in the same regard as the offensive joke thread. Everyone is free to make their judgements about any and everyone involved. Aarron, Ice, Chemmie...gee wonder what they'd have to say.
I am extremly disinterested in anything any of the three have to say on the matter. chemmie orgnoted me, and i could not bring myself to read it. aaron posted a very half-hearted apology about the AIDS comment, then continued right on attacking. he did not apologize for the gay slurs, because no one called those into question, indicating to me that his apology was false. he seemed only to be sorry for being caught, and sorry that he lost friends over the matter.
The same thing they said here, just not so subtle. I aint defending them so drop the gloves right there please. I don't like that kind of fucked up humor but they do. Hey
I get why this is tinged with such outrage. the dragging and AIDS and all that, those aint pretty subjects. They're hurtful and full of incredible pain. I am sorry for anyone who got hurt because of that shit and hope they can move beyond it and realize that they really don't care what those people think anyway. Believe me, I'm not minimizing, just adding my thoughts... as i said before, i have moved beyond it to some extent, and will continue to do so, but i feel that labeling such extremist comments as comedy is a softshoe around the real issues. When I said "wonder what they'd say" I wasn't referring to what their explanations would be here (if they even had any) but what did people expect they would say in a private environment. And I have never labeled those threads as high comedy... i didn't mean to insuate that you did, and i apologize if it is interpreted that way It wasn't but I wanted to make the distinction for anyone reading through... 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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Mods...are the deactivated members going to be let back to address this? 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Mods...are the deactivated members going to be let back to address this?
Which deactivated members? The ones that 9s listed above? [This message was edited Thu Feb 5 20:51:02 PST 2004 by AnotherLoverToo] | |
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teller said: Aerogram said: teller said: Aerogram said: Well, Chris Rock can pull it off because he also laughs at his own origins/group/race. Straight white male humor should also be about straight white males if you venture into race/sexual orientation "jokes". And from what I've seen, there wasn't a whole lot of that. So-called subsersive humor, to be truly subsersive, must raise above the clichés. Otherwise, it's just a couple of straight white guys laughing at the same old groups bigots joke about. I don't think that's very edgy.
You should have seen me and Supa flirting. What the Uptown Reporter missed was all the love.  Good for you if there was some of that, but comments are more about the perils of "controversial", "edgy" race/sexual orientation humor. It takes a tightrope artist to make it work if it desserves to work at all. Icenine is more cannonball than tightrope, whatever one thinks of his posting style. I'll take the cannon-ball, thank you very much. I love it--break the rules! Be an equal opportunity offender! But that's me. Actually, I suspect a lot of people find that stuff funny--they're just not allowed to admit it in public. Not sure if there was equal offending. Theoritically quite unlikely. In any case, if the goal was to be controversial, then you guys succeeded a bit too much. And as for the market for this stuff, it looks like there were few takers here. Can't be because we're all oversensitive bleeding heart liberals, eh? | |
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Teller, we are once again on the same wavelength. I'd love to offer you my complete and unapologetic support, but at the moment that is rather like an endorsement from Al Gore: it ain't gonna help ya any. 
I hope you'll fire up that software again sometime, and I hope I'll be on the invite list. | |
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2the9s said: This will be an ongoing feature.
Lie number 1: That this was an experiment in free speech, that the site was "unmoderated." The site was moderated on the most fundamental and offensive level: people's presence on this "open forum" was rigidly and ideologically "moderated," so that there would be only like-minded individuals present as the "kinks" were being worked out. You allowed curse-words, big whoop, that's hardly a clarion call for free-speech. And this was not a private forum or email correspondence or whatever. It was on a public message board. You typically evade the most substantial charge by turning this into an issue of "beta-testing." Speech in this situation was anything but free because it was not required to engage in argument or debate. It was not forced to think of the consequences of this speech or any other possible reactions than laughter. Anyone who doesn't agree that it is funny is called self-righteous. This is comedy drained of intelligence, which I agree is a hallmark of IceNine's posting style. As site designer and person who decided who would and would not be invited, this particular fault lies entirley at your feet teller, not with any of those who perhaps innocently signed up as a result of an invitation and who were not aware of the ideological vetting process they were subject to. Wow! Brilliant post!  When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading. | |
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teller said: cborgman said: teller said: FWIW, I didn't think the AIDS bit was funny either.
and the stuff about C, RD, and Pej being dragged to death? Eh...I can't speak for Ice, but I think he really hates those guys. That was one of those times that I looked the other way. Well, maybe I chimed in and vented once or twice when he was bitching about RD, just because RD pisses me off too sometimes, but I didn't find the outright hatred funny, no. It's close to the edge. Close to the edge? Fuck me.  When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading. | |
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AnotherLoverToo said: Teller, I'm afraid I lost just about any shred of respect I had left for you. I wish I felt otherwise, especially considering the communicating we did while you were last AWOL from the Org.
That's all. If I started pointing out inconsistencies in your statements and logic, I'd be here all night.
Oh, there is one other thing: why don't you use your "kung fu" to create an IceNine.Org, since he inspires such fierce loyalty and admiration from your group? I think that would be a fine way to showcase his satire, wit, irony and comedy skills and at least everyone here would know what they're getting into if they chose to join...  | |
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These are the words I'm trying to understand: whomever was genuinely offended by all this: I'm sorry for offending you. It started out rather harmless, and I won't apologize for the sick humor, but it was thoughtless of me to let it get out of control, to let it come to this, to mess up your org like this. I've caused so much headache around here...
If the sick humor genuinely offended some people - those people that you sincerely wish to apologise to for causing offence to them - then why do you refuse to apologise for the sick humor? . ALT+PLS+RTN: Pure as a pane of ice. It's a gift. |
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langebleu said: Teller
These are the words I'm trying to understand: whomever was genuinely offended by all this: I'm sorry for offending you. It started out rather harmless, and I won't apologize for the sick humor, but it was thoughtless of me to let it get out of control, to let it come to this, to mess up your org like this. I've caused so much headache around here...
If the sick humor genuinely offended some people - those people that you sincerely wish to apologise to for causing offence to them - then why do you refuse to apologise for the sick humor? . I'm sure that's what Ford Fairlane did too, before he disappeared into nothingness. 
Making jokes about racism, racists, homophobia and homophobes can be fun. Making jokes that are racist and homophobic are...    [This message was edited Fri Feb 6 4:00:55 PST 2004 by scififilmnerd]   FREE THE 29 MAY 1993 COME CONFIGURATION!
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teller said: IceNine. i love him.
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teller said: I created “The Center for Banned and Departed Orgers." The place actually has no proper name, but that's as good a name as any…here's the whole story as I see it:
Lie Number 2: That You Created TCFBADO With That Title and Aerogram Coincidentally Stumbled Upon This Title in His Thread Here. You could at least be fair to Aerogram here, especially if your intention is to clarify people's involvement with this little experiment in Utopia. I will speculate on your motives for not being honest about Aero's role below. But first let me expose this particular little "white" lie.
I and some others had been browsing that forum for a good week or so before it was exposed and I distinctly remember that you took your title from that thread that Aero created here on the Org. There was no coincidence about it. In fact, many of your members briefly panicked that you had been discovered, thinking Aero's thread was an allusion to Quaidbowel [please note crude humorous spelling of Quaidbowl. Hope you appreciate it teller. ] I think it's important to clarify that in order to clarify Aero's role in all this, which is even much less than you let on here.
As for why you fail to do this, I suggest this is because psychologically you are unable to be completely honest on any level about what that site was/is about. Aero, I suggest, was invited for no other reason than to add legitimacy to your venture without exposing its content. As you sought to increase your numbers, your criteria broadened to include those who you felt would not "squeal," as you say. By maintaining the fiction that perhaps Aerogram was more involved than many people would otherwise think you seek to cloud people's judgements further by feeding off his aura of legitimacy. Sure, you clear his name at other points, but not on this key issue. | |
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teller said: cborgman said: teller said: FWIW, I didn't think the AIDS bit was funny either.
and the stuff about C, RD, and Pej being dragged to death? Eh...I can't speak for Ice, but I think he really hates those guys. That was one of those times that I looked the other way. Well, maybe I chimed in and vented once or twice when he was bitching about RD, just because RD pisses me off too sometimes, but I didn't find the outright hatred funny, no. It's close to the edge. Where is that edge you talk about teller? It seems that with you and IceNine (whom you "love"... ahem) the edge is always near, but never crossed. You say you think IceNine really HATES these guys. Now, if you really "love" him, then it is very clear why you wouldn't dream of apologising to these people: You hate them too and gladly turned a blind eye so your beloved IceNine could vent his hatred of other people "freely". Yeah, "maybe you chimed in and vented once or twice" and "maybe" you didn't find the "outright hatred" funny, but hate like that combined with speech ("jokes") about dragging people from a different race behind cars untill they are dead, constitutes hate speech. It is immoral and possibly outright illegal. You may think that is allowed in the good ol' US of A, but racism and defamation isn't, certainly not when it is fueled by hatred. -- [This message was edited Fri Feb 6 5:40:42 PST 2004 by Abrazo] You are not my "friend" because you threaten my security. | |
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teller said: Lleena said: No, I didn't condone the content of everything that was posted.
Where would you draw the line Teller? You said it got pretty ugly in spots and it did, as we all know. You also state that you didn't condone some of the content, yet you overlooked it, allowed it to remain as the host. Where do you draw the distinction between not condoning something and allowing it to continue on your Web site? It was your baby, so to speak! I don't know Lleena. I once had a party where two of my best friends met for the first time and absolutely HATED each other. Days later they had nothing but evil, vile, shit to say about the other. I loved them both. I accepted it. Such is life. I saw Ice tear into you once--it broke my heart. But I think both of you are terrific in your own unique ways. I refuse to choose sides. Just because it was a forum instead of email or a party doesn't make much difference to me. It's all social behavior, and I won't apologize for loving You and IceNine at the same time. I got high on people using my software and lost my perspective--I enabled some org-attacking stuff directly--I know I fucked up in that respect. | |
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teller said: The "I hate spades" thread was about shovels. The "I hate coons" thread was about raccoons. Etc, etc, etc. IceNine used to pull this "PSYCHE!" thread shit all the time. Comedy!
I can believe you are trying to explain this shit away! If you hate shovels, then it's "I hate shovels" and if you hate raccoons, then it's "I hate raccoons". I read the fucking punchlines and the shit still was not funny.But the Uptown Reporter thought it would be fun to lie to you instead. Whoever that is, for someone who went to the trouble to dig through all the archives and find only the worst possible crap, they somehow managed to omit the punchline. Extremely dishonest move, whoever you are...I'm not impressed...but the herd is impressed, so you're a star. | |
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teller said: jessyMD32781 said: Chris Rock does make racial jokes but what he does NOT do and will NEVER do is make racist jokes. He lampoons racial relations more than the races themselves. The joke that you partially quoted in your statement is a misrepresentation of his humor.
 Yeah, I think you've got me there. Oh well... My wife calls my adopted hispanic brother a "spic" all the time. And he calls her a "redneck" and teases her about incest being in her lineage all the time...stereotypes...our current goal is to get him to call her a "bitch" one day. We're a hard-core family that enjoys a good low-brow bit of fun. And we all love each other. Very much. We don't have those hang-ups and eggshells. One the comic genius end of things, IceNine's thread: They call me 'The Fucker.' I know none of you people get the humor, and wouldn't consider it to be at Chris Rock's level, but for me, it was the funniest shit I've heard all week. Pure gold. Call me weird. your poor brother. | |
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teller said: Lleena said: No, I didn't condone the content of everything that was posted.
Where would you draw the line Teller? You said it got pretty ugly in spots and it did, as we all know. You also state that you didn't condone some of the content, yet you overlooked it, allowed it to remain as the host. Where do you draw the distinction between not condoning something and allowing it to continue on your Web site? It was your baby, so to speak! I don't know Lleena. I once had a party where two of my best friends met for the first time and absolutely HATED each other. Days later they had nothing but evil, vile, shit to say about the other. I loved them both. I accepted it. Such is life. I saw Ice tear into you once--it broke my heart. But I think both of you are terrific in your own unique ways. I refuse to choose sides. Just because it was a forum instead of email or a party doesn't make much difference to me. It's all social behavior, and I won't apologize for loving You and IceNine at the same time. I got high on people using my software and lost my perspective--I enabled some org-attacking stuff directly--I know I fucked up in that respect. I do recall telling him to go take a flying f*ck on a rolling donut.. Me and him will NEVER see eye to eye, but that's besides the point. A lot of people I have respect for were insulted on the site and it was hurtful to see. You invited your friends, frankly Teller, I'm GLAD I didn't get an invite because I wouldn't have stayed to watch such malicious and vindictive behaviour. The racist slurs were sick and made me want to vomit quite frankly... I enabled some org-attacking stuff directly--I know I fucked up in that respect.
Why was there an Org Watching forum? Wasn't this encouraging more attacks on Orgers? 
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MelissaC said: Teller, we are once again on the same wavelength. I'd love to offer you my complete and unapologetic support, but at the moment that is rather like an endorsement from Al Gore: it ain't gonna help ya any.
I hope you'll fire up that software again sometime, and I hope I'll be on the invite list. @ "like an endorsement from Al Gore." poor al gore. | |
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