AnotherLoverToo said:

Yep.

And as far as trust is concerned, he's done.

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

Edit: I posted a response here that, in hindsight, was inappropriate and should have been confined to a private orgNote or email. I apologize.
[This message was edited Wed Feb 4 6:50:31 PST 2004 by matt]

what a joke

AnotherLoverToo said:

My "participation" in Teller's site consisted mostly of reading posts by Melissa, who started posting there during her time away from the .org. I didn't even read the threads that got people upset until they were reposted here. The only reason my name has come up in this controversy is that I had an account on the site. Merely having an account there doesn't obligate me to patrol the entire place.

matt said:

i don't believe you

What is the point off going over this 24/7 it isn’t going to be resolved, what happened was just horrid. What is happening now is just as nasty.

Oh the controversy, hurry up prince give us some music that will give us something else to talk about.

Cheer up everyone

ElephantitisOfTheNuts said:

what a fucknuts

AnotherLoverToo said:

Co-sign

MelissaC said:

Publicly apologise, that's a good one!!! :Falloff: How about Matt and you and the rest of the scum publicly apologise to Dansa??

Teacher said:

I'm saying. Nobody actually seems geuninely apologetic for being part of that website. NONE of them.

MelissaC said:

... oh my god... it's gonna be a wonderful day, i swear it will... when this is what i read first thing in the morning...

i got tears in my eyes this is so damn funny...




oh, who gives a good damn... most of us have npgmc memberships or other memberships elsewhere... i'm mostly over at the npgmc, anyway... and i've been taking breaks from this place left and right... for months at a time... ...

yeah, that'll show us... ...




:tearsinmyeyesfromlaughingmymuthafuckin'assoff:...

thank you...

... i love you guys, i really do...



[This message was edited Wed Feb 4 6:34:09 PST 2004 by EllisDee]

Wow! And I thought all the drama and excitement was in the General discussion forum

MelissaC said:

Then you have no basis upon which to offer any assessment whatsoever of his moderation performance.

AnotherLoverToo said:

yeah melissa quit it you have no arguement no defence

Just to clarify it was "fat, stupid, ugly, RACIST bitch", you missed out one of the charming adjectives the KKKuaiders used, for Miss Dansa.

No offense to you or Matt, Mel C. (I've never had a cross word with either of you.) But "shut down the org for a month" my ass!

It seems that all of the stuff being touched on in this thread -- from you and Matt's sex life (which I can't believe is still effecting the org) to a few rogue orgers who like to badmouth people to issues between moderators to the moderating system itself -- is shit that needs to be dealt with among the parties involved as adults, as professionals, and IN PRIVATE! I come to the org to have a good time, some good conversation and, if I'm lucky, to get Fhunkin in bed. I don't hurt people and I protect myself from getting hurt because I observe the boundaries of simple tact. Why should I have to suffer the Org's temporary shutdown because a few grown-ass people I've never even met can't seem to deal with their own shit behind closed door?

Some of your suggestions are cool, but you all take that drama, deal with it and come back. I don't wanna see that shit.

Lammastide said:

Just to clarify... I've never posted about my sex life with Melissa, or even stated whether we have one. Because my love life is bit unconventional, people jump to the conclusion that the relationship is one constant orgy. That's not a safe assumption.

This confusion is part of why I get irritated at the "keep your private life private" line that gets posted ad nauseam. The fact that Melissa is my partner hardly qualifies as "private." Rather, people make assumptions about my private life and then get upset with me because of it.

And for the record, I don't want the .org shut down for a month.

matt said:

i think that people want you to keep your private life quiet because it seems like your relationship with melissa has affected some of your moderation decisions. ever since that statement of love thread and then your tackam's leaving the org nonesense, your ability to moderate has been called into question.

personally, i think that if you were truly being an impartial mod (if there even is such a thing) then you never would have started that 'tackam's leaving the org' thread in the first place. I have a hard time believing that you didn't think that people would react badly to that thread and see it as you using you position as moderator to make people feel bad or feel scared about expressing their opinion about your relationship with Melissa.

You could say that no one should have an opinion about your relationship with melissa because it is a private matter but, as has been mentioned by many people, you put it out there for critism. i don't think that Dansa was out of line with the post she made earlier. In hindsight, the two of you should have kept that shit private because neither of you have been able to cope with the fallout from it. and yes, all of this shit that's been going down today and yesterday is a part of that initial statement of love/tackam's leaving catastrophe. People are already pissed at the two of you for that and this recent shit just made it that much worse.

Granted, that quaidsbowl shit for brains website was disturbing but if it was just teller and icenine and a bunch of other "departed orgers" it wouldn't be such an issue but you and melissa were there too and from what's been going on recently, neither one of you have been holding this place in very high esteem. Or at least that's what it looks like.

Just for the record, I have been expelling alot of critism and sharp remarks but i do love this website and i appreciate all of the work that all of the mods put into it. the only reason why i'm being as vocal as i am is because i care about this place and don't want to see it destroyed because of people's foolishness. if i hated this place or anyone who ran it, i wouldn't even bother saying shit.

Again there's something problematic about the other site discussion threads on the controversies closing while the glowingly defensive one by moderator's polyamourite is allowed to remain.

Ben should apologise to Matt indeed.

MD7 said:

Dansa has locked and deleted other recent threads by Melissa. Aside from stuff such as flames and threats, I've generally taken a hands-off approach to threads concerning Teller's forum due to my connection with it.

It seems that I'm screwed either way here. If I moderate the threads about Teller's forum, I get accused of impartial moderation. If I don't moderate them, I get accused of impartial moderation.

matt said:

I understand, Matt. Your love life and your private sex life are, in fact, not identical. And I haven't pointed any fingers suggesting who's at fault for them becoming confused and rising to become such a central conversation around here. My point is that neither should be effecting org affairs to the extent they are. Lighthearted exchange, sure. Debate even. A lot of relationship matters -- especially unconventional ones -- are covered here, and yours is no different.

But where it comes down to finally reconciling the disproportionate conflicts, emotional fallouts and moderation issues that have developed here, that's something that should be done in a way that no longer disrupts the org. I know this ain't a paying job for y'all, but it's just gotten unprofessional, no?

And I'm glad you don't want the org shut down for a month.
[This message was edited Wed Feb 4 10:35:23 PST 2004 by Lammastide]

jessyMD32781 said:

I think I've already said this before, but anyway, I do regret posting the thread about Melissa leaving. The point of the thread was to express my sadness over Melissa's decision to leave. I also thought other people would want to know about her departure because Melissa has been posting here for eight years. But, as you suggest, some people took it to be some kind of scolding from the moderator, and that was not my intention. If I thought "people would react badly to that thread," then why would I post it?

You're correct to suggest that there's no such thing as an impartial mod. I think every moderator we've had has been accused of biased moderation.

In hindsight, the two of you should have kept that shit private because neither of you have been able to cope with the fallout from it.

I'm coping just fine. The fact that other people still can't get over a thread posted five months ago suggests that I'm not the one with a problem. Really, I'm amazed that it's not old news by now. Yet people keep dragging it up and making it an issue in discussions where it's of no relevance.

If you think my relationship is "shit," fine. That's you're opinion, and you're entitled to it.

You could say that no one should have an opinion about your relationship with melissa because it is a private matter

No. Stop right there. Do not put words into my mouth, please.

The fact that I have a relationship with Melissa is not a private matter. It's no more private than the fact that a person has a spouse. And I don't care if people express an opinion about it.

Yes, Melissa was somewhat upset/annoyed/whatever by some of things people posted. I, on the other hand, truly did not care. Melissa and I are not one and the same; we are separate people, and her thoughts are not mine.

I do take issue with people who imply that I should stay in the closet. "Don't ask, don't tell"? Screw that.

the only reason why i'm being as vocal as i am is because i care about this place and don't want to see it destroyed because of people's foolishness.

Let me gently suggest that you offer constructive feedback instead. It's easy to complain about what seems wrong, but it's much more helpful to us when people suggest what is right.

Lammastide said:

Things have gotten out of hand, yes. There's room for improvement on both the moderators' and the users' sides. If we do our part, will the rest of the community do theirs? Flames, lies, harassment, conspiracy theories, etc., won't make things any better.

matt said:

i can't fucking BELIEVE that you are still a moderator here

matt said:

i didn't say your relationship was shit, i said your thread was. i am being ALOT more constructive than many people, your gf included. i did offer suggestions such as: tell melissa not to speak for you, if you're getting crap for doing shady things then explain yourself, and don't act surprised when people have issues with you. read it again. there are many more upset orgers so obviously something's up.
[This message was edited Wed Feb 4 14:23:58 PST 2004 by jessyMD32781]

matt said:

This is exactly why your position is no longer tenable, you'll never regain the impartial credibility needed to be respected moderator.

[Flame deleted. --Matt]
[This message was edited Wed Feb 4 15:11:25 PST 2004 by matt]

Matt, i think your time is up.

MD7 said:

I read this before and I honestly don't remember there being a flame there.

bkw said:

we all think so.

hang up ya towel edit
[This message was edited Wed Feb 4 17:51:29 PST 2004 by kiss85]