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Reply #150 posted 09/16/20 8:03am

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themanfromneptune said:

I started this thread to ask how renew moderators, not to start a shitstorm against this or that moderator, please.

the anger was already there and has been for years, people are realizing just now that it's ok to strike back against this... this menace.

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Reply #151 posted 09/16/20 8:53am

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lustmealways said:

themanfromneptune said:

I started this thread to ask how renew moderators, not to start a shitstorm against this or that moderator, please.

the anger was already there and has been for years, people are realizing just now that it's ok to strike back against this... this menace.

exactly

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Reply #152 posted 09/16/20 9:00am

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Neversin said:

themanfromneptune said:

I started this thread to ask how renew moderators, not to start a shitstorm against this or that moderator, please.


Fuck 'em... If they refuse to explain their fascist ways then so be it...

Neversin.

[Edited 9/16/20 8:01am]

...and so it continues. Mods be snippin'...

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Reply #153 posted 09/16/20 9:57am

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themanfromneptune said:

I started this thread to ask how renew moderators, not to start a shitstorm against this or that moderator, please.


You mean "remove" not renew, correct?

I think the storm has been brewing and people are finally gettng a place to voice their concerns about the moderation on here. Of course in legacy Org style it escalates and spirals, but I get your point.

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Reply #154 posted 09/16/20 12:05pm

tmcjb

Yeah, definitely going to need to look for a new place to discuss Prince.

"Like the drummer said, you got to die."
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Reply #155 posted 09/16/20 12:21pm

laytonian

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I hoinestly think that most are sre starting to get fed up with Militant/CaseyRain.
For unstance there were too many times that he was caught presenting info as his own as exclusives (PR Deluxe, Vagina lyrics and some more so called "Exclusives") that he borrowed from other places that were discussing these things days and, in the case of the the Vagina lyrics months before he claimed it as his own exclusives, the lyrics were posted in a youtube video weeks before 1999 SDE was even anounced and confirmed to be real by someone posting in this thread. Almost a year later That VioletReality shit pretends that they have some exclusive.
I don;'t know, I think he;s just trying too hard to be seen as the number one source of info when he just repeats and then presents as his exclusives, as if he is some well connected person, what is posted on other groups or boards.
And then when some solid contributors here then get banned for speaking up against his ignorance and check him he bans them. The guy should really just go away.


Then there was the time that he had some "secret" thing but wouldn't reveal it until he had some large number of "likes" on whatever page (Facebook?) he was running at the time.
Cheesy, childish, unintelligent. I couldn't believe he had a FEW folks flocking to "like" while most of us just rolled eyes and left.

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Reply #156 posted 09/16/20 12:26pm

laytonian

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DiminutiveRocker said:


Right on point, both of you. nod If you want to pontificate on and on about a subject or post whole threads full pictures on a debate forum to your own liking then start a blog and turn off the comments.

Makes perfect sense to me.

That’s a good idea, because some threads just seem to be for informational purposes, and nothing to debate. JJ’s right, those types of long threads, full of pics, should be a blog instead.


And it was my comment on one of those, to the intro repeated ad nauseum, that got me put in a two-week jail.

ONE purpose of a moderator, at least from my purpose when I was an independent contractor for Prodigy, was to start discussions to insure there was site activity (we even got extra pay when we increased usage). BUT...just posting a lot of pictures over a span of interminable (30?) pages, doesn't start discussion. It is, in fact, creepy. Like a fan girl would do.

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Reply #157 posted 09/16/20 1:55pm

databank

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PennyPurple said:

lustmealways said:

The silence is deafening.

They don't care about you, they don't care about the site, they refuse to admit there's a problem. They're having a laugh about it as we speak.

And there will be a mass banning of all of us who posted in these threads. lol Watch and see.

lol lol lol

Just imagine... falloff

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Reply #158 posted 09/16/20 1:58pm

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Snip -> I was informed that the info I thought I had was in fact inaccurate.

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On a sidenote I saw that Kares' email to Neversin was snipped as being an "orgnote". Not cool. Really not cool.

[Edited 9/16/20 15:33pm]

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Reply #159 posted 09/16/20 2:22pm

DiminutiveRock
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laytonian said:

2elijah said:

DiminutiveRocker said: That’s a good idea, because some threads just seem to be for informational purposes, and nothing to debate. JJ’s right, those types of long threads, full of pics, should be a blog instead.


And it was my comment on one of those, to the intro repeated ad nauseum, that got me put in a two-week jail.

ONE purpose of a moderator, at least from my purpose when I was an independent contractor for Prodigy, was to start discussions to insure there was site activity (we even got extra pay when we increased usage). BUT...just posting a lot of pictures over a span of interminable (30?) pages, doesn't start discussion. It is, in fact, creepy. Like a fan girl would do.

It is a little creepy, agreed on that nod

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Reply #160 posted 09/16/20 4:58pm

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Before this thread gets locked, deleted, and most of us banned, it's time to ask for a change of the mods. Not just 1, but ALL of them need to be looked at, and the people that they've permabanned. I hope Ben will take the time to do this. Look at the members who have been banned over the last 3-4 months, and maybe release them from the ban.

Poppy's and 13 comes to mind, and many more. They voiced their opinions in P&R, and certain Mods didn't like their opinion. Again, if mods are going to post in threads, then do it as a poster and not a mod. The saying that 'never argue with a mod, mod's are always right, take it to org notes' just doesn't fly anymore, when they are posting and then have their friend do the dirty work for them and ban the posters.



There really does need to be a TOTAL changing of the guards.

2020=Change, the time is NOW to make the change.

And it's ridiculous that Kares and 23 isn't back yet. There is no reason why this hasn't been resolved yet.

[Edited 9/16/20 17:01pm]

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Reply #161 posted 09/16/20 5:08pm

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ThatWhiteDude said:

I recently discovered his channel, the violet reality and he has this "the facts you didn't know" thing going. He's acting like he's got insider facts that not even hard-core fans know. All the facts he presented are known. I gave him a second chance with Purple Rain "the facts you didn't know". Was disappointed again. The interviews with prince's associates aren't good either, I'm talking about the audio quality here. It's just not professional.


Just as a general note, I think those "facts you didn't know" videos are geared more toward the casual or non-fan.

I wrote a two-part article called 17 Prince Songs You Ain't Never Heard. Every other Prince fan dropped in and said, "I know this song already," having just scanned the list, and not reading anything. Yet at the beginning of the article I clearly said the list was for folks who may not know a slightly deeper cut. I suppose maybe that's what the "facts" videos are about. Just guessing.

Just puttin' it out there. Not endorsing or opposing anyone.

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #162 posted 09/16/20 5:34pm

laytonian

TrivialPursuit said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

I recently discovered his channel, the violet reality and he has this "the facts you didn't know" thing going. He's acting like he's got insider facts that not even hard-core fans know. All the facts he presented are known. I gave him a second chance with Purple Rain "the facts you didn't know". Was disappointed again. The interviews with prince's associates aren't good either, I'm talking about the audio quality here. It's just not professional.


Just as a general note, I think those "facts you didn't know" videos are geared more toward the casual or non-fan.

I wrote a two-part article called 17 Prince Songs You Ain't Never Heard. Every other Prince fan dropped in and said, "I know this song already," having just scanned the list, and not reading anything. Yet at the beginning of the article I clearly said the list was for folks who may not know a slightly deeper cut. I suppose maybe that's what the "facts" videos are about. Just guessing.

Just puttin' it out there. Not endorsing or opposing anyone.


The problem, therefore, isn't the content but the misleading titles.
It's clickbait to say "what you don't know" as much as those Facebook scam-tests that tempt gullibles into taking a test that claims "90% of people won't score 70% on this" -- and it turns out to be so easy that they show off their 100% score. wink

I purposely skip the "things you don't know" titles but might be intrigued by a title like "Here's 17 of Prince's best - have you heard them all?"

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Reply #163 posted 09/16/20 6:35pm

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Both Number23 and Kares appear to be reinstated as members, which is great news!

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Reply #164 posted 09/16/20 6:43pm

tmcjb

Wonderful. Still doesn't change the fact Casey is incompetent.

"Like the drummer said, you got to die."
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Reply #165 posted 09/16/20 7:24pm

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Moonbeam said:

Both Number23 and Kares appear to be reinstated as members, which is great news!


That is correct. They are back. And maybe you guy’s don’t want to hear it, and I’d understand if you don’t...the other Mods worked tirelessly to get them reinstated (not Casey. The other ones). Just an FYI...
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Reply #166 posted 09/16/20 8:38pm

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Interesting that mods "work tirelessly" to get people reinstated but will ban someone in the blink of an eye. hmmm

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Reply #167 posted 09/16/20 8:44pm

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DiminutiveRocker said:

Interesting that mods "work tirelessly" to get people reinstated but will ban someone in the blink of an eye. hmmm

I hear you. I'm just the messenger...

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Reply #168 posted 09/16/20 11:29pm

JorisE73

ThirdStrike said:

Moonbeam said:

Both Number23 and Kares appear to be reinstated as members, which is great news!

That is correct. They are back. And maybe you guy’s don’t want to hear it, and I’d understand if you don’t...the other Mods worked tirelessly to get them reinstated (not Casey. The other ones). Just an FYI...


So 50% is done. Now how about that Militant/CaseyRain problem? Becuase this still doesn't change anything, he'll keep doing this to others and since most in here just havce no trust in this guy and his shamelss wanking and self-plugging on here, how is that allowed?

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Reply #169 posted 09/16/20 11:41pm

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Guys, thanks for your support, I appreciate it!
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As I've mentioned in my email to the mods though, I wasn't just going to stand in the corner for however long Casey banned me for and then come back as if nothing's happened and keep contributing to the site.

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Just a few random thoughts before I go back to lurking mode until a real change:
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I strongly believe it's high time for some serious changes here and that change should start with the rethinking of some of the moderation policies and with the replacement of most of the moderators. Letting Number23 and myself back is all well (after all, we really haven't done anything that deserved banning us), but that doesn't solve any of the primary issues that continue to drive people away from the site.
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I’m tired of playing these kindergarten games for decades now, only so I’d have the privilege of being able to contribute to a site that doesn't seem to appreciate those contributions.

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One of the "features" that always drove me nuts is the self-locking threads. You have a decent conversation going, and then suddenly it's locked and it goes down the drain.
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Also, there should be an easily accessible place for threads or even just certain posts of constant, general interests so that basic things wouldn't have to be explained over and over again for every newbie. Things like the difference between a record deal and a publishing deal. Or what mastering means. Etc. I explained a few of these things in lengthy posts over the years but of course they're all down the drain as everything else. On the other hand: newbies should be welcomed, embraced and made to feel comfortable to ask questions instead of giving them the Bart-treatment.
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But the elephant in the room is the moderation. It really IS pathetic and works against the site's success. 'Snipping' great posts left and right just because they happen to be a bit off topic in a certain thread is ridiculous - it's natural that ANY intelligent debate and conversation goes outside of the main subject at least occasionally. After writing a longer post and then seeing it snipped just makes me go "ffs, why I am even contributing to this site? What's the point?" and it's one of the reasons I have already left the site several times before.
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Regarding Casey: can't help noting that Casey's blatant use of the org as a self-promotion tool for several years now is also ridiculous. To say the least, the guy has major issues and would need counselling instead of power over others. But it's really a shame that Ben lets his site degraded to become a vehicle for Casey's ego-tripping. I don't hate him, I don't wish anything bad for him, I will not try to take revenge or anything. It doesn't hurt me a bit if he's successful with his violet reality thing – it certainly isn't my cup of tea and his tactics are questionable but if some people enjoy that, so be it. But Ben giving him the keys to the org was a really stupid idea that should be rectified asap.
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There were a lot of pretty nasty posts against Casey and I'm sure he's read them. While I didn't particularly like the language and rudeness of some of them, it would be hard to deny there were valid points that people were trying to make. So I hope he's not suicidal, but I also think that the very minimum he should do is to hand back his mod privileges asap. He should be man enough to do that.
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We'd be fooling ourselves though thinking Casey is the only problem here. The site's in dire need of replacement of the majority of mods with people who are capable of providing unbiased, fair and consistent moderation – and it's also in dire need of restructuring (although I've no idea if any further changes are even possible on this same platform without having to make huge investments).
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Again: thanks for speaking out and demanding changes. Hopefully there will be some so we'll be able to engage in new and enjoyable discussions about one of the greatest artists of all time: Prince Rogers Nelson.

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[Edited 9/17/20 7:44am]

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Reply #170 posted 09/17/20 12:52am

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Kares said:

Also, there should be an easily accessible place for threads or even just certain posts of constant, general interests so that basic things wouldn't have to be explained over and over again for every newbie.

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Welcome back! And thanks for your post, full of great points.

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About the site: I think it's clear that Ben does't have the time to work on it. It's understandable. We all have busy lives. As a software engineer, I know that it would be possible to migrate the threads/posts to another platform, but it's probably not a one-weekend project. Our best option is to use what's available to us. A sticky for a FAQ? Or maybe even a forum dedicated to FAQs? But people usually go to "Prince: Music and More" and don't see threads in other forums... The wiki could be used for that, but everything in it would need to be deleted first.

[Edited 9/17/20 1:18am]

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Reply #171 posted 09/17/20 1:28am

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Kares said:

Just a few random thoughts before I go back to lurking mode until a real change:

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[Edited 9/17/20 1:07am]

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Amen, you have expressed better than me some points that I posted in the thread yesterday.

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Reply #172 posted 09/17/20 1:30am

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DiminutiveRocker said:

themanfromneptune said:

I started this thread to ask how renew moderators, not to start a shitstorm against this or that moderator, please.


You mean "remove" not renew, correct?

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Maybe could be a translation error, english is not my first language. I mean 'remove moderators and replace with new ones using new policies'

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Reply #173 posted 09/17/20 1:58am

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All the best, Kares. Thanks for your contributions to the site over the years. I completely understand you not wanting to post here anymore.

Hope you enjoy SOTT deluxe and the other goodies to come!
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Reply #174 posted 09/17/20 2:42am

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So, most of you demand change, yet it's taken nearly 6 pages of mostly foot stamping tantrums and name calling for anyone to post anything resembling a solution, or achievable ideas.

I hope you all get what you want, though I wouldn't hold your breath.

[Edited 9/17/20 2:44am]

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Reply #175 posted 09/17/20 2:53am

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mb71 said:

So, most of you demand change, yet it's taken nearly 6 pages of mostly foot stamping tantrums and name calling for anyone to post anything resembling a solution, or achievable ideas.

I hope you all get what you want, though I wouldn't hold your breath.

[Edited 9/17/20 2:44am]


Well removing Militant/CaseyRain would be a step in the right direction and then follow with other questionalble Mods in here and adress the issues here on the site regarding there behavior.

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Reply #176 posted 09/17/20 2:56am

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mb71 said:

So, most of you demand change, yet it's taken nearly 6 pages of mostly foot stamping tantrums and name calling for anyone to post anything resembling a solution, or achievable ideas.

I hope you all get what you want, though I wouldn't hold your breath.

[Edited 9/17/20 2:44am]

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No. First of all I started the thread asking to the prince.org "mantainers" how ask for the removal of moderators. And I still have no answer from anyone, after days.

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And I suggested also some solutions in changing policy for moderators on page 2 of this thread.

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Yes, the shitstorm against this or that moderator is useless, but it is also a mechanical reaction to a forced pan under pressure for far too long, and it is symptomatic of a deep problem in the Org

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Reply #177 posted 09/17/20 4:02am

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Little will change, and on we'll plod.

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Reply #178 posted 09/17/20 4:33am

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mb71 said:

Little will change, and on we'll plod.

With that attitude, why bother posting at all?


We all need to step up and be active for the change to happen.

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Reply #179 posted 09/17/20 4:49am

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PennyPurple said:

mb71 said:

Little will change, and on we'll plod.

With that attitude, why bother posting at all?


We all need to step up and be active for the change to happen.

I see. Cool.

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