luxegolightly said:

But not everyone who recently joined is a new or young fan. I'm 40 and have been a fan since I saw the Purple Rain tour as a kid. I've been lurking here and reading threads since 2003 but I never felt the need to join until now. Lipstick Alley has been my message board of choice for the last decade plus and that's where I post and where I used to moderate. Not saying the Alley is better, but they don't lock or delete threads just because somebody got a little sensitive about their fave. I totally apologize for newbies who may start or dominate threads, but I've seen questionable topics repeated over here for years by longtime members. Prince's penis size and sexual habits have been beat like a dead horse but this is the place to discuss all things P right?

Thanks for reminding people of what's what. That's right, many of us have actually been here before under a different name(s), but chose not to interact for whatever reason, just lurking and reading instead. And yes, there are other places that Prince fans have played too.

While I'm Prince's age, it would do for some of us to remember that younger people and new members are what's going to drive this bus going forward and we should welcome them with open arms! If my kids didn't know about Prince and his music from my husband and I, they would have never known about him. Yeah, there's always some stupid around somewhere, but after all these years most things have already been discussed here so of course there's gonna be rehash happening. Furthermore, something you like may not be anything I want to delve into and it really is okay to have different interests. Stay away from stuff you don't care about, you'll feel much better, less aggravated, and you'll also be less inclined to aggravate others.

And for goodness sakes, remember that every one of us mourns differently...it doesn't make one person better than another.

NinaB said:

"...Pay em no mind, it's stoopid...."

Yeah-up! I say, "Bah!", to their stoopid, fucked-up pecking order

Cheers ;¬) {to you too, babynoz}

CherryMoon57 said:

Militant said:

Right now it's a little weird to me - and I'll say this openly - to sometimes see entire discussions being dominated by people who signed up AFTER April 21st.

I understand that's it's par for the course, and I think a lot of these people will likely move on over time. But prior to April 21st, the community felt very tight and safe, and his passing has hit us like an atom bomb and scattered our sense of self as long term fans.

I'm absolutely not saying that there's not a place for new fans - there is and always will be. But prior to his passing, anyone who had been here for a few years, we were here when what he was doing wasn't newsworthy, when the public weren't checking for him, when he really needed us to be there.

And I could relate to damn near everyone. Because I can relate to anyone that at some point discovered Prince's music and fell in love - that's all of our stories.

What I can't relate to is people that only decided to become fans because he died and his death was mysterious and in the news all the time - and then they come here and barely talk about his music but only about his passing. I just..... I don't get that. The music is not secondary to anything. If that's your perspective then you missed his entire message.

It's different. Prince kept us on our toes in more ways than one! But the org will always be home.

What I don't understand, is people who seem to associate two different things to make it a fact.

People who signed up after 4/21 might have become fans way before that date, and even before the org even existed (I did)! The org is a website, and people's experiences with Prince, his music and concerts could have evolved independently from this website/the internet. You can be both a newbie here and a long-term fan, "and that's a fact!".

I don't understand why this is so hard to accept for so a called long-term fan (and moderator). It seems to me like a very obtuse approach to the Prince "universe". I actually was a Prince.org member for a while many years ago, but I opted out in the end, because I saw so much disrespect towards Prince on this website, and this from those so called long term fans... And that was many years before he passed.

I certainly don't mean this to cause an issue between us militant (you know I like you) but I still think your comments are too narrow and do not accurately reflect Prince's philosophy of inclusiveness (love 4 one another). I do understand what you mean though with regards to all the bad gossip, but in terms of what you say about long-term vs post 4/21 only, I think those comments are sligthly unfair for some genuine fans who recently joined up on here.

I mean come on, were you even born when the "real" long term fans started listening to his music?

So to answer the original question, yes I still do enjoy coming to the org, especially when it is not spoiled by harsh comments towards its members or unecessary gossip. And these two are not solely generated by newbies.

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CherryMoon57, this was EXCELLENT!

phatphuk said:

NinaB said:

"...Pay em no mind, it's stoopid...."

Yeah-up! I say, "Bah!", to their stoopid, fucked-up pecking order

Cheers ;¬) {to you too, babynoz}

There's no pecking order, and the stupid minority that try to create one are largely the crazies I was refering to earlier.

I'll be your friend!

Don't forget that some of us have come and go, have different levels of fanatism (for a lack of a better term), are coming in here for different reasons. It is difficult to judge anyone as long as they are not trolls purposely looking for negative attention or venting their personal problems by picking on anybody or any argument.
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LBrent said:

feeluupp said:

For ex.. Just the first two pages...

PRINCE WISDOM TEETH

DISCUSSING PRINCE'S SEXUALITY

DOES YOUR SIGNIFICANT OTHER MEET PRINCE

PRINCE'S CLOTHES SNUG TOO TIGHT

....

Let's discuss his music, history, not stupid stuff.

Um. Sooooooo, threads about topics that you aren't personally interested in and are being enjoyed by others are keeping you from creating threads about topics that you are personally interested in and enjoy. Wow.

Hahahahahaha!

SquirrelMeat said:

"...I'll be your friend! ..."

Awesome! Yes! Let's! :¬)

What's even more awesome, is my middle name is "MooseMeat".

;¬)

babynoz said:

terrig said:

I do, but our main reason for being here is gone - the collective anticipation is gone but I still enjoy the people here. They've helped me with much needed laughs...it was getting dire there for awhile.

If you want more substantive conversations and threads, start them and participate in them. Thats really easy.

Much easier than policing what others do in other threads you dont like.

You can create whatever discussion and environment you like here and discuss with likeminded others. It's always been like that, and will always be like that.

Exactly.

The thing that is so hypocritical about the ageist and sexist bigots on the org is that not a single one of them has ever criticized Prince for actually writing and performing in a sexually provocative way....not one.

But somehow it's okay to label anyone who discusses those things middle aged, stupid, etc......

In other words, it wasn't wrong for him to do it, its just wrong to talk about it?

Like I said, my super power is the ability to detect BS a mile away.

Yes, exactly. Many forget that Prince was middle-aged too. Like usual, great post babynoz Put the truth out there.

phatphuk said:

SquirrelMeat said:

"...I'll be your friend! ..."

Awesome! Yes! Let's! :¬)

What's even more awesome, is my middle name is "MooseMeat".

;¬)

Phat Moosemeat Phuk. You are just 2 cool 4 school.

phatphuk said:

NinaB said:

"...Pay em no mind, it's stoopid...."

Yeah-up! I say, "Bah!", to their stoopid, fucked-up pecking order

Cheers ;¬) {to you too, babynoz}

Mumio said:

babynoz said:

Exactly.

The thing that is so hypocritical about the ageist and sexist bigots on the org is that not a single one of them has ever criticized Prince for actually writing and performing in a sexually provocative way....not one.

But somehow it's okay to label anyone who discusses those things middle aged, stupid, etc......

In other words, it wasn't wrong for him to do it, its just wrong to talk about it?

Like I said, my super power is the ability to detect BS a mile away.

Yes, exactly. Many forget that Prince was middle-aged too. Like usual, great post babynoz Put the truth out there.

babynoz said:

Like I said, getting more and more crazy with every post. One insult after another and then calling me narrow- minded. Iff it's going to be like this, then there is no point in trying to have a conversation. By, baby.

It is d

ifficult, I must admit also I was surprised to see that Prince.Org was described as safe and secure. A lot of relentless negativity was present for a long while.

My position is clear, if you like one note of one song tha Prince ever played - you are a fan, if you like everything Prince has ever done - you a re a fan and every single position inbetween.

It must feel a little hierarchical for newcomers to visit here sometimes and unfrtunately even great moderators such as Militant can sometimes be slightly misrepresented by the press as the No 1 fan when I am sure he would be the first to admit that he has probably, compared to many others, attended relatively few concerts and obviously people were queuing to have Prince sign their records in America long before he was born. This doesn't mean he isn't a huge fan, it doesn't mean that there is any ranking or levels in the Prince community. The people who are not interested in the musis and only the celebrity will fade very quickly as there is now almost nothing to keep them here. I have been here for 11 years and a fan for 27 and whilst I wish to thank all the moderators and founders for their incredible amount of work and effort over the years, all without pay, I personally now feel it's time to leave.

Sadly there will be no new products I am interested in. If Prince was a singer like MJ then having a vault might be fine as other musicians always created his work but with Prince he was a musician who produced and created everything so someone else doing it just has absolutely no interest to me. It will just be someone else's remix.

I've loved my time here but it's time to move on. I will always be a Prince fan, there is no-one else that interest me to his extent but now it will be a a private joy listening to his music alone.

jayspud said:

Sadly there will be no new products I am interested in. If Prince was a singer like MJ then having a vault might be fine as other musicians always created his work but with Prince he was a musician who produced and created everything so someone else doing it just has absolutely no interest to me. It will just be someone else's remix.

What?!? There will be plenty released that is all Prince. I have no doubt that someone will get the bright idea to do one of those remix with other artists things, but you can skip that. There will be vault tracks by Prince, completely finished songs and even albums... eventually.

djThunderfunk said:

jayspud said:

Sadly there will be no new products I am interested in. If Prince was a singer like MJ then having a vault might be fine as other musicians always created his work but with Prince he was a musician who produced and created everything so someone else doing it just has absolutely no interest to me. It will just be someone else's remix.

What?!? There will be plenty released that is all Prince. I have no doubt that someone will get the bright idea to do one of those remix with other artists things, but you can skip that. There will be vault tracks by Prince, completely finished songs and even albums... eventually.

I would actually be surprised if there is that much fully produced, fully finished music that hasn't leaked already. It would be great but unltimately the discussion of Prince's music has pretty much reached it's peak, now what's left is the enjoyment of that music. I imagine the estate will release a ferw remastered packageds and expanded sets but not a great deal else. Even unreleased tracks would just be interesting curiousities thrown together.

SquirrelMeat said:

"...Phat Moosemeat Phuk..."

phatphuk MooseMeat rodríguez.

;¬)

I see we have a new part 4 for the "pills seized at paisley park..." thread. My goodness is that discussion going to go on for eternity? I stopped posting there weeks ago because there is no new information and I don't want to wallow in how and why he died. I'd much rather celebrate his life and music.

rogifan said:

'...I see we have a new part 4 for the "pills seized at paisley park..." thread...'

Yeah-up. But it's not here in prince.org though. They've moved the discussion over to this forum instead.

phatphuk said:

jayspud said:

djThunderfunk said:

What?!? There will be plenty released that is all Prince. I have no doubt that someone will get the bright idea to do one of those remix with other artists things, but you can skip that. There will be vault tracks by Prince, completely finished songs and even albums... eventually.

I would actually be surprised if there is that much fully produced, fully finished music that hasn't leaked already. It would be great but unltimately the discussion of Prince's music has pretty much reached it's peak, now what's left is the enjoyment of that music. I imagine the estate will release a ferw remastered packageds and expanded sets but not a great deal else. Even unreleased tracks would just be interesting curiousities thrown together.

- "leaked already" and proper releases are not the same thing

- there's plenty that has been reported on that has not leaked

- there should be a never ending supply of live performances, some not in circulation and some circulating only as audience recordings

Unless the estate or whichever record company ends up with deal screws up royally, there should be plenty of material to discuss for a long time to come.

NorthC said:

babynoz said:

What it equals is bullying simply because you have a choice to participate or not. What you cannot chose is what the site owner and moderators allow, so cry me a river. I've read a few of your comments in other org forums so I already know what kind of a narrow minded bigot you are anyway.

Like I said, getting more and more crazy with every post. One insult after another and then calling me narrow- minded. Iff it's going to be like this, then there is no point in trying to have a conversation. By, baby.

You'll be fine.....

jayspud said:

djThunderfunk said:

What?!? There will be plenty released that is all Prince. I have no doubt that someone will get the bright idea to do one of those remix with other artists things, but you can skip that. There will be vault tracks by Prince, completely finished songs and even albums... eventually.

I would actually be surprised if there is that much fully produced, fully finished music that hasn't leaked already. It would be great but unltimately the discussion of Prince's music has pretty much reached it's peak, now what's left is the enjoyment of that music. I imagine the estate will release a ferw remastered packageds and expanded sets but not a great deal else. Even unreleased tracks would just be interesting curiousities thrown together.

I also have doubts about what type of posthumous releases are coming and whether it will just be thrown together rehash.

Anyway, take care.

babynoz said:

jayspud said:

I would actually be surprised if there is that much fully produced, fully finished music that hasn't leaked already. It would be great but unltimately the discussion of Prince's music has pretty much reached it's peak, now what's left is the enjoyment of that music. I imagine the estate will release a ferw remastered packageds and expanded sets but not a great deal else. Even unreleased tracks would just be interesting curiousities thrown together.

I also have doubts about what type of posthumous releases are coming and whether it will just be thrown together rehash.

Anyway, take care.

babynoz said:

jayspud said:

I would actually be surprised if there is that much fully produced, fully finished music that hasn't leaked already. It would be great but unltimately the discussion of Prince's music has pretty much reached it's peak, now what's left is the enjoyment of that music. I imagine the estate will release a ferw remastered packageds and expanded sets but not a great deal else. Even unreleased tracks would just be interesting curiousities thrown together.

I also have doubts about what type of posthumous releases are coming and whether it will just be thrown together rehash.

Anyway, take care.

To be clear, I don't expect every posthumous release to be good. I'm quite sure there will be plenty of rehash, compilations and such for those of us that have collected everything already to complain about...

That said, I also expect plenty of vault goodness to surprise us. If not, somebody is screwing up, because I have no doubt there's plenty of jewels left if those in charge know what they're doing.

That's the only variable in my opinion: the choices made by those in charge. I'll take the remix albums, endless reissues, rehashed compilations, whatever, as long as I also get unreleased albums, deluxe editions, outtakes, live shows, etc...

babynoz said:

jayspud said:

I would actually be surprised if there is that much fully produced, fully finished music that hasn't leaked already. It would be great but unltimately the discussion of Prince's music has pretty much reached it's peak, now what's left is the enjoyment of that music. I imagine the estate will release a ferw remastered packageds and expanded sets but not a great deal else. Even unreleased tracks would just be interesting curiousities thrown together.

I also have doubts about what type of posthumous releases are coming and whether it will just be thrown together rehash.

Anyway, take care.

bluegangsta said:

feeluupp said:

I really hate the stupid threads made either by the new fans or the middle aged house wives always talking about what dreams they had of Prince, or they cried today thinking of Prince, or if his clothes are snug and tight, or his hair, etc...

There has been such an influx of these mindless threads that a lot of the veteran members don't post as much any longer.

I joined the org as the youngest member in 2002... Obv I have a new username now, but the majority of threads now are just junk.

DISCUSSING PRINCE'S SEXUALITY

DOES YOUR SIGNIFICANT OTHER MEET PRINCE

PRINCE'S CLOTHES SNUG TOO TIGHT

....

Let's discuss his music, history, not stupid stuff.

Yep x10000.

EASILY solved. DON'T CLICK ON those threads. just don't do it!! stop yourself before you even go there

try to understand that other people who are participating on threads that you dislike not only have a right to make those threads here (not *your* website) but they also have a different point of view, so live and let live

this place would be so much better if people would simply follow this one, simple guideline, instead of showing up on threads they hate, knowing they hate them, for the sole purpose of trashing the thread because they hate it.

NorthC said:

babynoz said:

Right. So saying a certain thread on a website is nonsense equals beating women? The two of you are going more with every post you make. But... You're still part of the club. What would the org be without the weirdos?!

warning: profanity laden rant
excuse the fuck out of me but as a personal recipient of some nasty bullying here i can tell you without DOUBT there are some people on this website who DO go out of their way to put folks down for voicing opinions that don't jive with their own.

so sincerely fuck off with your disparaging comments about weirdos. THAT WAS A PERSONAL ATTACK. you BROKE THE RULES THERE.

the attitude of folks like you is what is in question here. seriously, who the fuck do you think you are?

you DON'T own this website.

you are clearly NOT an arbiter of good taste and judgment.

in fact here at the Org we have a Looonnng and well documented ORG history of bullies showing up on threads *they* deem to be unworthy and twisting these threads into a debate about their own worthiness, through personal attacks on those who are participating in and enjoying the threads.

so please fuck off with your attitude that YOU have the right to judge threads and those who participate on them. just fuck off with that shit

DON'T LIKE THE THREAD??? IGNORE IT.

djThunderfunk said:

babynoz said:

I also have doubts about what type of posthumous releases are coming and whether it will just be thrown together rehash.

Anyway, take care.

To be clear, I don't expect every posthumous release to be good. I'm quite sure there will be plenty of rehash, compilations and such for those of us that have collected everything already to complain about...

That said, I also expect plenty of vault goodness to surprise us. If not, somebody is screwing up, because I have no doubt there's plenty of jewels left if those in charge know what they're doing.

That's the only variable in my opinion: the choices made by those in charge. I'll take the remix albums, endless reissues, rehashed compilations, whatever, as long as I also get unreleased albums, deluxe editions, outtakes, live shows, etc...

A completist!

I hope you are correct about unreleased, unheard songs and unseen live shows but that might be a very long time coming due to the probate case. I imagine that only the WB stuff is readily accessible, but that's rehash stuff that I don't much care about.

XxAxX said:

bluegangsta said:

Yep x10000.

EASILY solved. DON'T CLICK ON those threads. just don't do it!! stop yourself before you even go there

try to understand that other people who are participating on threads that you dislike not only have a right to make those threads here (not *your* website) but they also have a different point of view, so live and let live

this place would be so much better if people would simply follow this one, simple guideline, instead of showing up on threads they hate, knowing they hate them, for the sole purpose of trashing the thread because they hate it.

zenarose said:

XxAxX said:

EASILY solved. DON'T CLICK ON those threads. just don't do it!! stop yourself before you even go there

try to understand that other people who are participating on threads that you dislike not only have a right to make those threads here (not *your* website) but they also have a different point of view, so live and let live

this place would be so much better if people would simply follow this one, simple guideline, instead of showing up on threads they hate, knowing they hate them, for the sole purpose of trashing the thread because they hate it.

you probably already know but there is was a perfect example of an otherwise fun thread in the PM&M forum that was disrupted by assholes who decided they couldn't stand seeing folks discuss topics *they* disapproved.

in the end, it was a few bullies, arguing with and attacking participants that resulted in the mess that thread ultimately became. the thread was locked, due to the antics of the disgruntled few.

i feel strongly about this issue. enough is enough already

so, to sum up, in conclusion i still love the Org but dislike its little manmade whirlpools of nasty, stirred up by those who wish harm on others

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