Excuse me ladies and gentlemen, but it seems to me that we have a problem that is a lot worse than heated threads about racism, politics, and whatever else that are normally discussed in P&R.

Just like the issue of orgers' flamebaiting & trolling should never be allow in the org, moderators' abuse of power should never be allow in the org neither.

@OldFriends4Sale...... Lets set the record straight between us once and for all right now. I do not troll and I have NEVER ever gotten into a habit of trolling or flamebaiting in prince.org! Then I pointed out one of the org's rules right back at you, that was NOT nor was it ever attended to be taken as potential flamebait. For anything, it was intended to let you know that org rules also applies to mods as well as orgers.

Even as I'm posting this, I'm under a very bad impression that you have been going out of order as of late with your abuse of power as a moderator. Yes, I said it! This is real talk.

I'm under a very bad impression from how you was talking AT me in one of Graycap's previous thread that you were trying to psychologically bully me simply because you, as both orger & mod, didn't find my answers to your or RodeoSchro's questions good enough. And that charge you brought up about "Graycap having me by the balls" would have definitely have been interpet as "homophobic" if any regular orger would have said some like that other than yourselves OldFriends and you know it. But I digress.

And let me make this perfectly clear to you not as TonyVanDam, but as Anthony:
Anything that I have to say are exactly what I have to say. They are my thoughts! And no one speaks for me, I speak for myself, by myself.

Therefore, shame on you OldFriends and shame on anyone else that dares to falsely accuses Graycap or any other orger for that matter for "having me by the balls" or some other foul nonsense.

@Luv4u..... Don't worry, there's no professonal or personal beef between us at all! But I needed to let you know that I think it was you that once said that "the org is what you make of it". And I've done my best in remember that whenever I have threads of my own to make.

But when I see more of my favorite orgers leaving to take a long leave of absence or never return again, it gets more difficult because the org becomes less entertaining and/or educational than the year before. I convince that part of the reason why those former orgers never return is because prince.org has gotten too safe and too politically correct for its own good.

Never mind the race-related threads in P&R, it already went downhill months early when I cannot even have an Illuminati-related and/or occult symbolism-related threads in P&R anymore because some haters want to troll and flamebait the hell out of those thread to the point that they have to be locked. What more can I do when there isn't always a mod available to help me get my threads back on track? Of course, I always take in consideration that mods have lives outside of the org so I know 24/7 moderating services are never possible.

@fellow orgers & other mods...... I said a lot in this opening post. But I would like for this thread to be a rare opportunity for some kind of dialog. But whatever it takes, this growing resentment between mods & orgers need to stop.

what's happened to the org lately?

there's a small group of orgers who hate white people... and are determined to bang on about it at every given opportunity

when they're called on it....they accuse orgers, usually indirectly because they're piss weak, of being racist

i mean for fuck's sake... graycap said if there were no white people there would be no wars, and greed would cease

should a white person show concern for a child that was beaten by his black father, their motives are brought into question (and then some)

all this... with absolutely no idea about the people they're branding as racist... other than the colour of their skin

i applaud anyone who stands against racism... but this is different



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If u think I hate white poeple then u haven't been paying attention. But I'll stay on Tony's topic.

The org has turned into troll heaven. There are people here who don't like or want 2 discuss certain topics, so rather than just ignore the topic, they choose 2 bait, troll, interrupt and or derail the topic instead. I'd really love 2 understand the point of it. I don't post on threads that I have no interest in. Why would anyone post in a thread in which they either have some dislike for the OP or the topic at hand? The fact that these same folks have now recruited a couple of mods into their fold has made things even worse. They have been a couple of mods in the past with this type of behavior but they didn't last very long. I guess we shall see if this thread at least manage's 2 start some meaningful dialog.

Tony, you say that the resentment between orgers and mods has to stop.......but what exactly are you hoping to achieve by accusing mods of "abusing their power"?

I'm posting in here, although I haven't actually seen any of the threads you're referring to, I don't tend to wander into P&R much. I'm posting because I've also been accused of "abusing my power" as a mod on a couple of occasions and I personally think the use of the phrase is the first thing that needs to stop.

I can not and do not take anybody seriously when they say that. And neither do any of the other mods. So it's a pointless thing to say. The reason we don't take that seriously is because we know what it's like to be a mod, we've all been accused of it, and we know it doesn't have any merit.

Orgers don't see 99% of what we mods to. You don't see where banned members come back and registger 5 new accounts to troll and we have to snip them all in the bud. You don't see when we get orgnotes when orgers are genuinely upset and hurt by something that's been said and we need to step in and calm it down before it blows up more. You don't see when we have to delete pages and pages and pages of troll posts. I could keep going....

The fact is, we do our best job in the small amount of time that we have to responsibly moderate this site. Sometimes, we miss stuff, because we all have lives. Sometimes, and we will admit it, we make rash decisions that maybe later on we think we should have handled differently. That's life. We just move forward. Nobody is perfect.

But I can promise you we don't play favorites. We don't go after the same people because they annoy us, or anything like that. We have opinions and agree with some people and not others like anyone else, but it doesn't affect our moderation, and if it did, we wouldn't be mods in the first place.

Every moderation decision is made based on that post, unless there's a large history of the same behaviour in the past from that poster. There is no agenda. The most appropriate thing to do, is to privately contact a mod if you feel they're in the wrong - there's no need to have these discussions in public most of the time.

But it remains true that people are going to disagree with some decisions made, that's just the nature of modding. There's no way around that. But to throw accusations about "abuse of power" is just totally unecessary, unfair, and diminishes all the hard work we do in trying to make this site a fair and balanced place for everyone. That's not to say you're not entitled to disagree or have problems with things that have happened from your point of view, but please try and have some perspective - nobody is being victimized or targeted.

TonyVanDam,

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coming from someone who -> seriously posted this

Is the white man "the devil"? Thread started 09/13/14 12:42am TonyVanDam

I'll start this controversial thread off by saying this:
Within the issue of racism and white supremacy, some white folks are "the devils" if they are still convince that they are better than everyone else worldwide.

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Do not post racist or 'hateful' material.
This means no racist/homophobic comments, period. Discussions of racism itself in the proper forum are OK. Making hateful comments, directed at a person or group, may get your account immediately suspended. We are extremely serious about this. prince.org is not a place for racial bigotry or hateful speech.

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YOU, TonyVanDam accused me of making a homophic comment, trying to turn the rules on me.
I never made a homophic comment. So yes you were attempting to change the direction of the discussion, attempting to light a fire ie flaming. False accusation against me

YOU, TonyVanDam just said:nor was it ever attended to be taken as potential flamebait. For anything, it was intended to let you know that org rules also applies to mods as well as orgers.
If that it was never your intentions then you should have followed the rules and sent a request for moderation. I am not homophobic and never in my personal life or cyberlife make homophobic comment. You need to educate yourself on terms before you open a fresh mouth to others about what you deem wrong.

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If you felt I broke a rule in making a homophic comment then you should have and I would definately encourage you send a request for moderation so another mod could look into it.

'Have you by the balls/nutts' has never ever been a homophobic comment. And for you to go to that extreme even to create a whole pissy post in the site discussion thread on something that is a complete LIE, shows more about your character than anything.

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Every mod will be accused of 'abusing' their powers. Powers like we are Jedi Nights or Police.

As soon as a mod does something someone doesn't like, they are accused of being 'abusive', taking away someones freedom of speach etc

Like Militant said (And I watched it happen to him) he was patted on the back when first becoming a mod and as soon as he had to snip a post or lock a thread he started being accused of 'abusing his powers' and someone went so far as to say he was attempting to brainwash the forum into thinking like him. Same thing happened to LangeBleu.

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Urban Dictionary

got you by the balls

Stymie said:

Here's an idea: make one race thread and discuss race to high heaven. Nothing is going to be accomplish when certain Rogers have their minds made up on a certain topic and are not open to hear the other sides opinion. Seriously do people think mods have been recruited to "our" side? Perhaps those mods think some of you are race baiting.

[Snip - luv4u]

Graycap23 said:

[Snip - luv4u]

Stymie said:

Here's an idea: make one race thread and discuss race to high heaven. Nothing is going to be accomplish when certain Rogers have their minds made up on a certain topic and are not open to hear the other sides opinion. Seriously do people think mods have been recruited to "our" side? Perhaps those mods think some of you are race baiting.

The complaint is 'my thread got deleted' they don't want us to discuss race or 'white racism'

Yet there are no less than 11 open still for discussion -all targeting a specific group

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North Carolina Hanging that Received Virtually No Media Exposure 48 replies

CDC Says Ebola Vaccine Only Works on White People (hoax) -67 replies

8 Heartbreaking Cases Where Land Was Stolen From Black Americans Through Racism, Violence and Murder -3 replies

Does race shape Americans' passion for guns? -62 replies

Are religions THE real reason why racism exist in the first place? Yes OR No? Why OR Why Not? -103 replies

Talks Black, Sleeps White: Is It Possible to Be Pro-Black with a White Partner? -153 replies

Jessie Lee Peterson has no problem hanging with white supremicist. -4 relies

Farrakhan on white people. -24 relies

African American Men Shouldn't Have To Put Up With Racist Police. -116 replies

5 Disturbing stats on Black-White Inequality? -2 replies

The problem that is being ignored: The white on white murder crisis! -6 replies

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Tragedy Strikes Again: Black Man Gunned Down by White Cop in St. Louis -136 replies LOCKED

Interesting article on race written on BK Nation website -14 replies LOCKED per OP

Is the white man "the devil"? -54 replies HIDDEN

"All Whites conditioned 2 Racism" - Jane Elliot -304 replies LOCKED

OldFriends4Sale said:

Stymie said:

Here's an idea: make one race thread and discuss race to high heaven. Nothing is going to be accomplish when certain Rogers have their minds made up on a certain topic and are not open to hear the other sides opinion. Seriously do people think mods have been recruited to "our" side? Perhaps those mods think some of you are race baiting.

The complaint is 'my thread got deleted' they don't want us to discuss race or 'white racism'

Yet there are no less than 11 open still for discussion -all targeting a specific group

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North Carolina Hanging that Received Virtually No Media Exposure 48 replies

CDC Says Ebola Vaccine Only Works on White People (hoax) -67 replies

8 Heartbreaking Cases Where Land Was Stolen From Black Americans Through Racism, Violence and Murder -3 replies

Does race shape Americans' passion for guns? -62 replies

Are religions THE real reason why racism exist in the first place? Yes OR No? Why OR Why Not? -103 replies

Talks Black, Sleeps White: Is It Possible to Be Pro-Black with a White Partner? -153 replies

Jessie Lee Peterson has no problem hanging with white supremicist. -4 relies

Farrakhan on white people. -24 relies

African American Men Shouldn't Have To Put Up With Racist Police. -116 replies

5 Disturbing stats on Black-White Inequality? -2 replies

The problem that is being ignored: The white on white murder crisis! -6 replies

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Tragedy Strikes Again: Black Man Gunned Down by White Cop in St. Louis -136 replies LOCKED

Interesting article on race written on BK Nation website -14 replies LOCKED per OP

Is the white man "the devil"? -54 replies HIDDEN

"All Whites conditioned 2 Racism" - Jane Elliot -304 replies LOCKED

"All Whites conditioned 2 Racism" - Jane Elliot -304 replies LOCKED per OP.

A mod locked it before your request

OldFriends4Sale said:

A mod locked it before your request

OldFriends4Sale said:

A mod locked it before your request

Lol.............Request made at 7:29.

Locked after 8:00 Sure it was.

Graycap23 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

A mod locked it before your request

Lol.............Request made at 7:29.

Locked after 8:00 Sure it was.

I was considering it BEFORE your request came in. So no, your request did not come first.

luv4u said:

Graycap23 said:

Lol.............Request made at 7:29.

Locked after 8:00 Sure it was.

I was considering it BEFORE your request came in. So no, your request did not come first.

What ever u say.

Mods ARE Orgers. There isn't a moderator here that joined this site as a moderator. They all posted for a long time in many different forums, and then were asked to be mods.

But they're still people like you and I, and still have every right to express their opinions, just like you and I.

I don't hold mods to higher standards when it comes to posting. Why should I? That wouldn't be fair to them, IMHO. They have every right to express their opinion, as far as I'm concerned. What I expect out of a mod is fairness when dealing with Org complaints, and that's what we get. I think the mods to a fine job. I don't always agree with every decision but I've never found a decision to be made out of a personal grudge. Some may see it different but that's been my experience.

Anyway, mods ARE orgers. Remember that, and I think you'll understand their decisions in a better light.

RodeoSchro said:

Mods ARE Orgers. There isn't a moderator here that joined this site as a moderator. They all posted for a long time in many different forums, and then were asked to be mods.

But they're still people like you and I, and still have every right to express their opinions, just like you and I.

I don't hold mods to higher standards when it comes to posting. Why should I? That wouldn't be fair to them, IMHO. They have every right to express their opinion, as far as I'm concerned. What I expect out of a mod is fairness when dealing with Org complaints, and that's what we get. I think the mods to a fine job. I don't always agree with every decision but I've never found a decision to be made out of a personal grudge. Some may see it different but that's been my experience.

Anyway, mods ARE orgers. Remember that, and I think you'll understand their decisions in a better light.

Exactly! well.... I was not asked to be a mod, Ben just put out the call by creating his thread for those interested in being a mod wayyyyy back when. I did think long and hard before putting my name in the hat.

I am an orger like all ya'all. But when I post I know that when folks see my post they see a moderator first and possibly an orger second.

OldFriends4Sale said:

coming from someone who -> seriously posted this

Is the white man "the devil"? Thread started 09/13/14 12:42am TonyVanDam

I'll start this controversial thread off by saying this:
Within the issue of racism and white supremacy, some white folks are "the devils" if they are still convince that they are better than everyone else worldwide.

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Holy shit

MoBettaBliss said:

what's happened to the org lately?

there's a small group of orgers who hate white people... and are determined to bang on about it at every given opportunity

when they're called on it....they accuse orgers, usually indirectly because they're piss weak, of being racist

i mean for fuck's sake... graycap said if there were no white people there would be no wars, and greed would cease

should a white person show concern for a child that was beaten by his black father, their motives are brought into question (and then some)

all this... with absolutely no idea about the people they're branding as racist... other than the colour of their skin

i applaud anyone who stands against racism... but this is different



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1. I judge people not based on the color of the skins, but on the context of their character. With that said, I hate child molesters & member of the Neo-Illuminati. No one should be surprise by that.

2. If Gray said "if there were no white people there would be no wars and greed would cease", I strongly disagree with that position because there are too many greedy MFers of all shapes, sizes, and colors walking the earth that would do anything for money (no pun intended on a Michael Jackson song!).

OldFriends4Sale said:

TonyVanDam,

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coming from someone who -> seriously posted this

Is the white man "the devil"? Thread started 09/13/14 12:42am TonyVanDam

I'll start this controversial thread off by saying this:
Within the issue of racism and white supremacy, some white folks are "the devils" if they are still convince that they are better than everyone else worldwide.

First of all, had you readied my opening post (and I mean all of it, NOT just THAT^ part) as well as readied all of the posts right before you removed my thread, you would have also notice that I've also said that anyone, of any gender and any skin-color, can be "devils" if they allow themselves to be negatively influnence by demonic entities.

Right there, in proper context, I was talking from a spiritual and psychological standpoint. There was absolutely no racism OR hatred on my part and all.

However, you OldFriends took my thread out of context by only the thread titled and remove my thread without even bother to talking to me about it via orgnotes. (Oh, BTW, send me an orgnote with a one word responds "Really?!?" wasn't good enough with all due respect!).

And to make matters worse, I did send you an orgnote to explain myself about my thread and you downright never bother to write back or anything. Pretty much, you didn't give a care about anyone but yourself and whatever your own agenda was, at least that's the very bad impression you were given me at the time.

[Edited 10/23/14 11:57am]

Militant said:

Tony, you say that the resentment between orgers and mods has to stop.......but what exactly are you hoping to achieve by accusing mods of "abusing their power"?

I'm posting in here, although I haven't actually seen any of the threads you're referring to, I don't tend to wander into P&R much. I'm posting because I've also been accused of "abusing my power" as a mod on a couple of occasions and I personally think the use of the phrase is the first thing that needs to stop.

I can not and do not take anybody seriously when they say that. And neither do any of the other mods. So it's a pointless thing to say. The reason we don't take that seriously is because we know what it's like to be a mod, we've all been accused of it, and we know it doesn't have any merit.

Orgers don't see 99% of what we mods to. You don't see where banned members come back and registger 5 new accounts to troll and we have to snip them all in the bud. You don't see when we get orgnotes when orgers are genuinely upset and hurt by something that's been said and we need to step in and calm it down before it blows up more. You don't see when we have to delete pages and pages and pages of troll posts. I could keep going....

The fact is, we do our best job in the small amount of time that we have to responsibly moderate this site. Sometimes, we miss stuff, because we all have lives. Sometimes, and we will admit it, we make rash decisions that maybe later on we think we should have handled differently. That's life. We just move forward. Nobody is perfect.

But I can promise you we don't play favorites. We don't go after the same people because they annoy us, or anything like that. We have opinions and agree with some people and not others like anyone else, but it doesn't affect our moderation, and if it did, we wouldn't be mods in the first place.

Every moderation decision is made based on that post, unless there's a large history of the same behaviour in the past from that poster. There is no agenda. The most appropriate thing to do, is to privately contact a mod if you feel they're in the wrong - there's no need to have these discussions in public most of the time.

But it remains true that people are going to disagree with some decisions made, that's just the nature of modding. There's no way around that. But to throw accusations about "abuse of power" is just totally unecessary, unfair, and diminishes all the hard work we do in trying to make this site a fair and balanced place for everyone. That's not to say you're not entitled to disagree or have problems with things that have happened from your point of view, but please try and have some perspective - nobody is being victimized or targeted.

1. I want us to bring peace, love, positivity, & respect among orgers, mods, and the org. I also want the org as a whole to be fun and educational again.

2. Apart from OldFriends, I've never accused any moderator by name, past or present, of abusing their power. And for record, I've never requested tha OldFriends be removed for mod duties neither.

3. In your case Militant, I think I know exactly what you're say. You're taking about the backlash in one of Kcool's previous threads when you told everyone to stop being so hard on and disrespectful toward him/her. I strongly remember how most of the orgers in that thread were accusing you for making up excuses for Kcool, you were being a biased mod, etc. etc.

Remember, I was one of the few that agreed with you that no one should have been disrespect toward Kcool. But I also said at the time that Kcool needed to grow up and stop being disrespect at fellow orgers. Respect still works both way.

But as for the role as a mod, I was not one of those orgers that wanted you to step down at all. Please believe that Militant. I still think you're a cool dude.

luv4u said:

Graycap23 said:

Lol.............Request made at 7:29.

Locked after 8:00 Sure it was.

I was considering it BEFORE your request came in. So no, your request did not come first.

No matter "who was on first (base) or who was on second (base)", locking that thread was a good idea simple because it ran it course. My professonal opinion of course.

TonyVanDam said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

TonyVanDam,

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coming from someone who -> seriously posted this

Is the white man "the devil"? Thread started 09/13/14 12:42am TonyVanDam

I'll start this controversial thread off by saying this:
Within the issue of racism and white supremacy, some white folks are "the devils" if they are still convince that they are better than everyone else worldwide.

First of all, had you readied my opening post (and I mean all of it, NOT just THAT^ part) as well as readied all of the posts right before you removed my thread, you would have also notice that I've also said that anyone, of any gender and any skin-color, can be "devils" if they allow themselves to be negatively influnence by demonic entities.

Right there, in proper context, I was talking from a spiritual and psychological standpoint. There was absolutely no racism OR hatred on my part and all.

However, you OldFriends took my thread out of context by only the thread titled and remove my thread without even bother to talking to me about it via orgnotes. (Oh, BTW, send me an orgnote with a one word responds "Really?!?" wasn't good enough with all due respect!).

And to make matters worse, I did send you an orgnote to explain myself about my thread and you downright never bother to write back or anything. Pretty much, you didn't give a care about anyone but yourself and whatever your own agenda was, at least that's the very bad impression you were given me at the time.

[Edited 10/23/14 11:57am]

1.) I read the whole thing over and over. And creating a title like that is how you create a 'baiting thread' If you were just talking about anyone from a 'spiritual place' then there would be no reason to single out 'white people'. Mixing religion and race like that is a simple way to create a flame of thread.

2.) In your world it's not racism. There is actually a denomination that has teachings that fallen angels came to the earth and became the darker peoples of the planet. That is racist too.

3.) No I considered the whole thing, and what I knew would happen with a thread like that after reading 2 pages of posts, then I came to a conclusion. Along with all the requests for moderation by others on your thread title itself.

4.) There is no rule that says I have to talk to you about it first. Read the last rule of forum conduct that you agreed to.

5.) I never received an orgnote from you. And if by chance I did over 2 weeks ago, I did not have time to come back and reply. Talk to the others who sent request that the thread should be locked, that I was being selfish.

TonyVanDam said:

1. I want us to bring peace, love, positivity, & respect among orgers, mods, and the org. I also want the org as a whole to be fun and educational again.

No matter how you try to pretty it up TonyVanDam, it's not going to be a fun educational place calling anyone 'the Devil'

OldFriends4Sale said:

TonyVanDam said:

First of all, had you readied my opening post (and I mean all of it, NOT just THAT^ part) as well as readied all of the posts right before you removed my thread, you would have also notice that I've also said that anyone, of any gender and any skin-color, can be "devils" if they allow themselves to be negatively influnence by demonic entities.

Right there, in proper context, I was talking from a spiritual and psychological standpoint. There was absolutely no racism OR hatred on my part and all.

However, you OldFriends took my thread out of context by only the thread titled and remove my thread without even bother to talking to me about it via orgnotes. (Oh, BTW, send me an orgnote with a one word responds "Really?!?" wasn't good enough with all due respect!).

And to make matters worse, I did send you an orgnote to explain myself about my thread and you downright never bother to write back or anything. Pretty much, you didn't give a care about anyone but yourself and whatever your own agenda was, at least that's the very bad impression you were given me at the time.

[Edited 10/23/14 11:57am]

1.) I read the whole thing over and over. And creating a title like that is how you create a 'baiting thread' If you were just talking about anyone from a 'spiritual place' then there would be no reason to single out 'white people'. Mixing religion and race like that is a simple way to create a flame of thread.

2.) In your world it's not racism. There is actually a denomination that has teaching that fallen angels came to the earth and became the darker peoples of the planet. That racist too.

3.) No I considered the whole thing, and what I knew would happen with a thread like that after reading 2 pages of posts, then I came to a conclusion. Along with all the requests for moderation by others on your thread title itself.

4.) There is no rule that says I have to talk to you about it first. Read the last rule of forum conduct that you agreed to.

5.) I never received an orgnote from you. And if by chance I did over 2 weeks ago, I did not have time to come back and reply. Talk to the others who sent request that the thread should be locked, that I was being selfish.

1. Concerning your point #5, I find it very difficult to believe that you never received it because I send your the orgnote within the first 24 hours after you already had my thread removed. I stand by this statement very strongly.

Naturally, I can not comment about the "others" that complain about the thread to you via orgnotes since I'm not suppose to know who the "others" are either way. But I strongly recall that no one person in that entire thread ever posted a complain to me about the thread's existences. I thought we were all having a very interesting dialog before you removed the thread.

2. Concerning you point #1, if your issue was about the thread title, why didn't you as a mod demand that I change the title immediately?!? It was definitely a controversial thread title, no doubt. I take full responsible for that.

But my entire opening post was not controversial at all (especially when I did say "some whites", NOT "all white"!) because I did answered my own question in that very same opening post. Again, anyone of any genders or skin color that allow themselves to be influence by demonic entities can be devils, hence Black devils, White devils, She-Devils (READ: women under demonic influences), etc.

As for the the thread title, you could have ask or even better, demanded that I change the thread title so it wouldn't give you or anyone else the wrong impression that my thread was a so called "bait thread". But at the end of the day, you never gave me an opportunity to redeem myself at all and that is one more reason why I was and still am disappointed the thread was removed. But I digress.

OldFriends4Sale said:

TonyVanDam said:

1. I want us to bring peace, love, positivity, & respect among orgers, mods, and the org. I also want the org as a whole to be fun and educational again.

No matter how you try to pretty it up TonyVanDam, it's not going to be a fun educational place calling anyone 'the Devil'

Here's the thing: I never called anyone "the devil" at all, not once time ever! My previous thread was intended to debunk the hateful myth about "all white people are the devils". You know that myth is bigoted bullshit and I know that myth is bigoted bullshit. Therefore, we should not be afraid to discuss why that myth is bigoted bullshit. My professional opinion of course.

But after what you said in the previous post, I know now that "others" are too afraid to discuss it.

TonyVanDam said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

1.) I read the whole thing over and over. And creating a title like that is how you create a 'baiting thread' If you were just talking about anyone from a 'spiritual place' then there would be no reason to single out 'white people'. Mixing religion and race like that is a simple way to create a flame of thread.

2.) In your world it's not racism. There is actually a denomination that has teaching that fallen angels came to the earth and became the darker peoples of the planet. That racist too.

3.) No I considered the whole thing, and what I knew would happen with a thread like that after reading 2 pages of posts, then I came to a conclusion. Along with all the requests for moderation by others on your thread title itself.

4.) There is no rule that says I have to talk to you about it first. Read the last rule of forum conduct that you agreed to.

5.) I never received an orgnote from you. And if by chance I did over 2 weeks ago, I did not have time to come back and reply. Talk to the others who sent request that the thread should be locked, that I was being selfish.

1. Concerning your point #5, I find it very difficult to believe that you never received it because I send your the orgnote within the first 24 hours after you already had my thread removed. I stand by this statement very strongly.

Naturally, I can not comment about the "others" that complain about the thread to you via orgnotes since I'm not suppose to know who the "others" are either way. But I strongly recall that no one person in that entire thread ever posted a complain to me about the thread's existences. I thought we were all having a very interesting dialog before you removed the thread.

2. Concerning you point #1, if your issue was about the thread title, why didn't you as a mod demand that I change the title immediately?!? It was definitely a controversial thread title, no doubt. I take full responsible for that.

But my entire opening post was not controversial at all (especially when I did say "some whites", NOT "all white"!) because I did answered my own question in that very same opening post. Again, anyone of any genders or skin color that allow themselves to be influence by demonic entities can be devils, hence Black devils, White devils, She-Devils (READ: women under demonic influences), etc.

As for the the thread title, you could have ask or even better, demanded that I change the thread title so it wouldn't give you or anyone else the wrong impression that my thread was a so called "bait thread". But at the end of the day, you never gave me an opportunity to redeem myself at all and that is one more reason why I was and still am disappointed the thread was removed. But I digress.

Again your assumption that I'm sitting at a computer waiting for a reply 24/7. You don't know how many orgnotes I get. And you don't know what my life is like to assume that I always sitting on the org watching it, which I'm not.

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You might think it's cute, but Moderators who have to wade through tons of posts like this, don't.

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And of course you don't remember, the 1st respond to your post was someone having an issue. Since you don't remember it was off topic before the end of the first page

Here is one of the replies from your White People Are the Devil? thread

Too much Farrakhan Tone.

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no disrespect, but given the contents of your initial post, it seems like your thread title should have either been about white supremacy vs racism, or just giving examples as to why you think the white man is the devil, because I don't get what the Chinese population and African civilization, and she-devil has to do with your thread title

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i went to bed last night expecting this ignorant bullshit thread to be gone when i got up

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it's a stupid, ignorant, trolling bullshit question
you want to discuss racism and white supremacy?... cool
you want to start threads like this?.... fuck that
i mean what the fuck do you even mean?.. the devil?
and it's chinese.... not chineses ...dumbass

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You accuse me, my character of being homophobic, which I take seriously and now you look for chances to "redeem yourself"? I'm done with this TonyVanDam

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TonyVanDam said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

No matter how you try to pretty it up TonyVanDam, it's not going to be a fun educational place calling anyone 'the Devil'

Here's the thing: I never called anyone "the devil" at all, not once time ever! My previous thread was intended to debunk the hateful myth about "all white people are the devils". You know that myth is bigoted bullshit and I know that myth is bigoted bullshit. Therefore, we should not be afraid to discuss why that myth is bigoted bullshit. My professional opinion of course.

But after what you said in the previous post, I know now that "others" are too afraid to discuss it.

TonyVanDam said:

I'll start this controversial thread off by saying this:
Within the issue of racism and white supremacy, some white folks are "the devils" if they are still convince that they are better than everyone else worldwide.

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Stop Tony, seriously stop. Dot your i's and cross you T's. These race threads are about burnt out.

OldFriends4Sale said:

TonyVanDam said:

1. Concerning your point #5, I find it very difficult to believe that you never received it because I send your the orgnote within the first 24 hours after you already had my thread removed. I stand by this statement very strongly.

Naturally, I can not comment about the "others" that complain about the thread to you via orgnotes since I'm not suppose to know who the "others" are either way. But I strongly recall that no one person in that entire thread ever posted a complain to me about the thread's existences. I thought we were all having a very interesting dialog before you removed the thread.

2. Concerning you point #1, if your issue was about the thread title, why didn't you as a mod demand that I change the title immediately?!? It was definitely a controversial thread title, no doubt. I take full responsible for that.

But my entire opening post was not controversial at all (especially when I did say "some whites", NOT "all white"!) because I did answered my own question in that very same opening post. Again, anyone of any genders or skin color that allow themselves to be influence by demonic entities can be devils, hence Black devils, White devils, She-Devils (READ: women under demonic influences), etc.

As for the the thread title, you could have ask or even better, demanded that I change the thread title so it wouldn't give you or anyone else the wrong impression that my thread was a so called "bait thread". But at the end of the day, you never gave me an opportunity to redeem myself at all and that is one more reason why I was and still am disappointed the thread was removed. But I digress.

Again your assumption that I'm sitting at a computer waiting for a reply 24/7. You don't know how many orgnotes I get. And you don't know what my life is like to assume that I always sitting on the org watching it, which I'm not.

.

You might think it's cute, but Moderators who have to wade through tons of posts like this, don't.

.

And of course you don't remember, the 1st respond to your post was someone having an issue. Since you don't remember it was off topic before the end of the first page

Here is one of the replies from your White People Are the Devil? thread

Too much Farrakhan Tone.

.

no disrespect, but given the contents of your initial post, it seems like your thread title should have either been about white supremacy vs racism, or just giving examples as to why you think the white man is the devil, because I don't get what the Chinese population and African civilization, and she-devil has to do with your thread title

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i went to bed last night expecting this ignorant bullshit thread to be gone when i got up

.

it's a stupid, ignorant, trolling bullshit question
you want to discuss racism and white supremacy?... cool
you want to start threads like this?.... fuck that
i mean what the fuck do you even mean?.. the devil?
and it's chinese.... not chineses ...dumbass

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You accuse me, my character of being homophobic, which I take seriously and now you look for chances to "redeem yourself"? I'm done with this TonyVanDam

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1. You right, i don't know how many orgnotes you get. Just like I will never know if you were ever telling the truth OR telling a lie about you not getting my orgnote at all.

2. I never said anything about this issue between us as being cute. But you just did.

3. I take my context of character very seriously as well. It's your lost that you choose not to know that I'm a good person with a good heart. Remember, you gave up on this conversation, NOT me.

4. I would love to discuss the issue with you (while you're still a mod) about your judgement in private, providing that you can find my orgnotes in the near future and read them for now on.

Just saying.