BlackAdder7 said:

didn't Mars23 say the best way to address this was through an org note to the moderator?

If so, I missed it. And with all due respect to Mars, I disagree.

I orgnoted Ben.

one word....."OVERKILL" or was it the wine...

ohhhh! That's why I got banned?!?!?! well, least now I know. what a fuckin' joke.

neva mind luv4U...don't bother replying to my orgnote asking why I was banned...not that you were going to anyway...

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Oh come on now! I'm usually one all for calling bullshit on Moderation around here but y'all were wrong as hell! So much so that even I had to say something about it, way before the Mods got around to it.

Oh hold up!

Now I said I wouldn't say anything about the song but this blatant HYPOCRITICAL begging to SHARE a BOOTLEG because if you have it in your computer's possession it is now a BOOTLEG, which for some of the folks begging the hardest is supposed to be a and only something us Haters would do...is another matter all together!

Y'all don't even want to play that game today!

However, I did not report y'all. If I had, I'd be more than happy to say so.

I was trying to get y'all to cut it out because had that been the resident "Haters" doing that, we'd have been reported, reprimanded and told in numerous posts and hit and run threads, how disrespectful we were to Prince, the Org, the fans, the sun, the moon, the stars and then we'd have STILL been banned and more than likely not temporarily!

The rule at the very top of the main page of the PM&M forum state in flashing letters:

ABSOLUTELY NO SOLICITING FOR BOOTLEGS.

and if that rule applies to ME...it applies to EVERYBODY...no matter how cleverly WE might try to disguise it...out in the open forum.

hello !

i'd suggest you look up the definition of the word bootleg !

[Edited 6/9/10 13:00pm]

Dewrede said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Oh come on now! I'm usually one all for calling bullshit on Moderation around here but y'all were wrong as hell! So much so that even I had to say something about it, way before the Mods got around to it.

However, I did not report y'all. If I had, I'd be more than happy to say so.

I was trying to get y'all to cut it out because had that been the resident "Haters" doing that, we'd have been reported, reprimanded and told in numerous posts and hit and run threads, how disrespectful we were to Prince, the Org, the fans, the sun, the moon, the stars and then we'd have STILL been banned and more than likely not temporarily!

The rule at the very top of the main page of the PM&M forum state in flashing letters:

ABSOLUTELY NO SOLICITING FOR BOOTLEGS.

and if that rule applies to ME...it applies to EVERYBODY...no matter how cleverly WE might try to disguise it...out in the open forum.

hello !

i'd suggest you look up the definition of the word bootleg !

[Edited 6/9/10 13:00pm]

Ok.

Bootleg or bootlegging usually refers to making, transporting and/or selling illegal alcoholic liquor or copyrighted material;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bootleg

***************

b : an unauthorized audio or video recording

http://www.merriam-webste...ry/bootleg

***************

So I'm curious.

I can make the argument that "Hot Summer" isn't a bootleg, because Prince has authorized it to be played to the public, and hasn't offered it for sale in any form.

What do you think? What is your definition of "bootleg" and do you think that possession of "Hot Summer" is possession of a bootleg?

RodeoSchro said:

So I'm curious.

I can make the argument that "Hot Summer" isn't a bootleg, because Prince has authorized it to be played to the public, and hasn't offered it for sale in any form.

What do you think? What is your definition of "bootleg" and do you think that possession of "Hot Summer" is possession of a bootleg?

I can make the argument that "Hot Summer" is a bootleg because Prince only authorised it to be played publicly on that radio show and I'm just guessing here...on his chosen websites that I know it streamed from...(Dr.F and EW)

Having it on your computer and sharing that file with anyone else by definition makes it a BOOTLEG!

Now don't get me wrong...PERSONALLY and in all HONESTY...I don't see any problem with what took place.

However, IT CANNOT BE BOTH WAYS!

Prince did not authorize the song to be saved on ANYONE'S hard drives nor did he authorize the SHARING of said file!

Therefore, I'm certain based on court records filed by Prince...himself...and the RIAA ...that makes the possession of the song, the sharing of the song and requests for sharing of the song...BOOTLEGGING!!!!

That sucks like hell...don't it? Are you sick of that antiquated ass RULE yet?

.

[Edited 6/9/10 15:30pm]

^

bootleg = unauthorized recording ;

streaming audio that was approved for airing by it's author can never be considered a bootleg

furthermore ; the fact that any streaming audio off any site can be saved to one's HD

makes it public domain

to prohibit sharing a 'legal' audio file that's public domain is , therefore , ridiculous

[Edited 6/9/10 15:35pm]

Dewrede said:

^

bootleg = unauthorized recording

therefore

streaming audio that was approved for airing by it's author can never be considered a bootleg

furthermore ; the fact that any streaming audio off any site can be saved to one's HD

makes it public domain

therefore prohibiting public files to be shared is ridiculous

WRONG!

How many times has Prince had video clips from televised awards shows of his performances that were shown publicly, taken down from various websites that were just showing them in the public domain and not for profit...because they could be saved to one's HD...claiming it violated his copyright?

More times than I care to remember but they are preserved forever, thanks to the power of the internet!!!

I told y'all 2 days ago that y'all really didn't want to play this game!

.

[Edited 6/9/10 15:46pm]

^

Hot Summer was approved for airing by him , therein lies the difference

[Edited 6/9/10 15:54pm]

Dewrede said:

^

Hot Summer was authorized for airing by him , therein lies the difference

It was authorized to be played on a specific radio show and as I said I'm just guessing here..."certain" websites...that was it! Just like when he performs on the Grammys, he has authorized it to play on whatever channel the Grammys comes on and that's it.

Any further showings, distribution, AND sharing or what have you...according to HIM...violates his copyright and by definition is BOOTLEGGING!

I agree...that it IS utterly RIDICULOUS!!!

But hey...I'm not the hypcritical, obsessive, anal retentive that hired the Web Sheriff and threatened lawsuits on folks for doing just what you guys were doing.

That is WHY...ABSOLUTELY NO SOLICITING FOR BOOTLEGS. is a NOT to be BROKEN...under ANY circumstances...RULE on THIS website!

It's a rule that can be obided by... by EVERYONE and rationalized...as it has been for far too long! Or it's a rule that can and NEEDS to be changed!

.

[Edited 6/9/10 16:42pm]

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Dewrede said:

^

Hot Summer was authorized for airing by him , therein lies the difference

It was authorized to be played on a specific radio show and as I said I'm just guessing here..."certain" websites...that was it! Just like when he performs on the Grammys, he has authorized it to play on whatever channel the Grammys comes on and that's it.

Any further showings, distribution, AND sharing or what have you...according to HIM...violates his copyright and by definition is BOOTLEGGING!

I agree...that it IS utterly RIDICULOUS!!!

But hey...I'm not the hypcritical, obsessive, anal retentive that hired the Web Sheriff and threatened lawsuits on folks for doing just what you guys were doing.

That is WHY...ABSOLUTELY NO SOLICITING FOR BOOTLEGS. is a NOT to be BROKEN...under ANY circumstances...RULE on THIS website!

It's a rule that can be obided by... by EVERYONE and rationalized...as it has been for far too long! Or it's a rule that can and NEEDS to be changed!

.

[Edited 6/9/10 16:42pm]

I have to go with Dewrede, and I think the difference is the other websites which were given the song.

Am I correct when I say that if you played "Hot Summer" from one of them, then the song is automatically stored on your computer in a Temp file?

If so, I don't see how that can be considered a bootleg. It's as if Prince himself put the song on your computer.

Prince really needs to get his act together and set up a site where ppl can legitimately buy his music....

Oh, he has tried that before, and got bored, didnt he

RodeoSchro said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

It was authorized to be played on a specific radio show and as I said I'm just guessing here..."certain" websites...that was it! Just like when he performs on the Grammys, he has authorized it to play on whatever channel the Grammys comes on and that's it.

Any further showings, distribution, AND sharing or what have you...according to HIM...violates his copyright and by definition is BOOTLEGGING!

I agree...that it IS utterly RIDICULOUS!!!

But hey...I'm not the hypcritical, obsessive, anal retentive that hired the Web Sheriff and threatened lawsuits on folks for doing just what you guys were doing.

That is WHY...ABSOLUTELY NO SOLICITING FOR BOOTLEGS. is a NOT to be BROKEN...under ANY circumstances...RULE on THIS website!

It's a rule that can be obided by... by EVERYONE and rationalized...as it has been for far too long! Or it's a rule that can and NEEDS to be changed!

.

[Edited 6/9/10 16:42pm]

I have to go with Dewrede, and I think the difference is the other websites which were given the song.

Am I correct when I say that if you played "Hot Summer" from one of them, then the song is automatically stored on your computer in a Temp file?

If so, I don't see how that can be considered a bootleg. It's as if Prince himself put the song on your computer.

did he ask permission

RodeoSchro said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

It was authorized to be played on a specific radio show and as I said I'm just guessing here..."certain" websites...that was it! Just like when he performs on the Grammys, he has authorized it to play on whatever channel the Grammys comes on and that's it.

Any further showings, distribution, AND sharing or what have you...according to HIM...violates his copyright and by definition is BOOTLEGGING!

I agree...that it IS utterly RIDICULOUS!!!

But hey...I'm not the hypcritical, obsessive, anal retentive that hired the Web Sheriff and threatened lawsuits on folks for doing just what you guys were doing.

That is WHY...ABSOLUTELY NO SOLICITING FOR BOOTLEGS. is a NOT to be BROKEN...under ANY circumstances...RULE on THIS website!

It's a rule that can be obided by... by EVERYONE and rationalized...as it has been for far too long! Or it's a rule that can and NEEDS to be changed!

.

[Edited 6/9/10 16:42pm]

I have to go with Dewrede, and I think the difference is the other websites which were given the song.

Am I correct when I say that if you played "Hot Summer" from one of them, then the song is automatically stored on your computer in a Temp file?

If so, I don't see how that can be considered a bootleg. It's as if Prince himself put the song on your computer.

Oh please!

1. We can't say with certainty that the other websites were given the song from Prince nor anyone anyone else with authorization from Prince.

2. I can't speak on Dr. F website but I do know for a fact that Entertainment Weekly posted about it, using someone's unauthorized Youtube video.

3. According to many...many...many coversations that have been had on this very subject on this board and others since Housequake.com had to go through all they went through to upgrade their video forum to streaming BECAUSE the songs automatically stored on your computer in a Temp file...THAT IS...as far as I've known for years considered a violation of his copyright...even if it was something that he authorized originally to be aired publicly.

Unless that has changed and the RULE needs to be changed, I don't see why it's so difficult to understand.

What makes "Hot Summer" any different then say, "Black Sweat" or one of those songs off of Planet Earth that I can't remember?

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

RodeoSchro said:

I have to go with Dewrede, and I think the difference is the other websites which were given the song.

Am I correct when I say that if you played "Hot Summer" from one of them, then the song is automatically stored on your computer in a Temp file?

If so, I don't see how that can be considered a bootleg. It's as if Prince himself put the song on your computer.

Oh please!

1. We can't say with certainty that the other websites were given the song from Prince nor anyone anyone else with authorization from Prince.

2. I can't speak on Dr. F website but I do know for a fact that Entertainment Weekly posted about it, using someone's unauthorized Youtube video.

3. According to many...many...many coversations that have been had on this very subject on this board and others since Housequake.com had to go through all they went through to upgrade their video forum to streaming BECAUSE the songs automatically stored on your computer in a Temp file...THAT IS...as far as I've known for years considered a violation of his copyright...even if it was something that he authorized originally to be aired publicly.

Unless that has changed and the RULE needs to be changed, I don't see why it's so difficult to understand.

What makes "Hot Summer" any different then say, "Black Sweat" or one of those songs off of Planet Earth that I can't remember?

You can't buy "Hot Summer" anywhere. One of the main tenets of bootlegging is that it takes money out of an artist's pocket. Especially file-sharing.

But "Hot Summer" isn't for sale. If someone saves the Temp file that Prince himself made available, as of 6/9/10 they aren't taking a dime out of Prince's pocket.

Now, if "Hot Summer" was on iTunes or for sale somewhere else, then I'd say that beyond a shadow of a doubt no one should have any copy of it other than what Prince has for sale.

I have to defer to you on the streaming point because that's way over my head, but if an artist knows that putting a song on a website means it ends up on a listener's hard drive through no action of the listener, then I can't see where an artist can bellyache about people saving it.

I blame Larry.

RodeoSchro said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Oh please!

1. We can't say with certainty that the other websites were given the song from Prince nor anyone anyone else with authorization from Prince.

2. I can't speak on Dr. F website but I do know for a fact that Entertainment Weekly posted about it, using someone's unauthorized Youtube video.

3. According to many...many...many coversations that have been had on this very subject on this board and others since Housequake.com had to go through all they went through to upgrade their video forum to streaming BECAUSE the songs automatically stored on your computer in a Temp file...THAT IS...as far as I've known for years considered a violation of his copyright...even if it was something that he authorized originally to be aired publicly.

Unless that has changed and the RULE needs to be changed, I don't see why it's so difficult to understand.

What makes "Hot Summer" any different then say, "Black Sweat" or one of those songs off of Planet Earth that I can't remember?

You can't buy "Hot Summer" anywhere. One of the main tenets of bootlegging is that it takes money out of an artist's pocket. Especially file-sharing.

But "Hot Summer" isn't for sale. If someone saves the Temp file that Prince himself made available, as of 6/9/10 they aren't taking a dime out of Prince's pocket.

Now, if "Hot Summer" was on iTunes or for sale somewhere else, then I'd say that beyond a shadow of a doubt no one should have any copy of it other than what Prince has for sale.

I have to defer to you on the streaming point because that's way over my head, but if an artist knows that putting a song on a website means it ends up on a listener's hard drive through no action of the listener, then I can't see where an artist can bellyache about people saving it.

Neither were "Musicology" and "Planet Earth"...originally! And it was still a to share them!

We can play semantics with this all night long but the bottom line remains that Prince or somebody in his camp...have been pretty damn adament in his/their bellyaching for YEARS about what was allowable and what AIN'T...when it comes to his music, protecting his copyright and the internet!

Now unless something has changed that I nor anyone else around here seems to know about, according to Prince and or whomever...file sharing of his music in any way...is the same as bootlegging and an absolute ! It makes no difference whether you heard the song on the website of a radio station that he gave the song to and it just so happen to end up on your hard drive through no wrong doing of yours.

Nor if you heard the song on any of his own...now defunct...because of his anal retentive ass behavior...websites...and it just so happen to end up on your hard drive through no wrong doing of yours.

Nor if you just so happen to hear it while watching a video of a dancing baby and it played in the background through no wrong doing of the mother that just so happen to be recording a video of her baby dancing when one of his songs came on her radio.

Nor if you missed it streaming somewhere on the internet officially and can't seem to understand why it wouldn't be ok to ask...(even in the I know I'm not supposed to...so I'll just "hint" at it way that y'all did)...someone on an independent and unofficial Prince fan community site who did hear it and it just so happened to have ended up on their hard drive through no wrong doing of theirs...for it.

Yeah, it sucks and it's been sucking for years!

.

[Edited 6/9/10 21:14pm]

RodeoSchro said:

BlackAdder7 said:

didn't Mars23 say the best way to address this was through an org note to the moderator?

If so, I missed it. And with all due respect to Mars, I disagree.

I orgnoted Ben.

I suggest everyone that got a ban orgnote Ben. If you do get a reply from the mod that banned you and it is innappropriate, forward that to Ben as well.

Just my suggestion.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Now unless something has changed that I nor anyone else around here seems to know about, according to Prince and or whomever...file sharing of his music in any way...is the same as bootlegging and an absolute ! It makes no difference whether you heard the song on the website of a radio station that he gave the song to and it just so happen to end up on your hard drive through no wrong doing of yours.

"Cybersingle"...

Neversin.

Giovanni777 said:

The list of folks that were banned:

Genesia

Giovanni777

organgrinder

damn

NuPwrSoul

Shorty

Bfunkthe1

Joyinrepatition

Markk

Dave1992

aiden

ludwig

minneapolisFunq

PicklesMcMillan

liv4love

funkyhead

RumandRaisin

kaine

kimrachell

rossco

RodeoSchro

.

[Edited 6/9/10 9:00am]

It's like being back at school again and being in the naughty group

A polite message would have been nicer after being a registered user for 7 years 10 months 21 days.. It's all good though! Cause & Effect was right there for the taking on the Org!

aiden said:

Giovanni777 said:

The list of folks that were banned:

Genesia

Giovanni777

organgrinder

damn

NuPwrSoul

Shorty

Bfunkthe1

Joyinrepatition

Markk

Dave1992

aiden

ludwig

minneapolisFunq

PicklesMcMillan

liv4love

funkyhead

RumandRaisin

kaine

kimrachell

rossco

RodeoSchro

.

[Edited 6/9/10 9:00am]

It's like being back at school again and being in the naughty group

A polite message would have been nicer after being a registered user for 7 years 10 months 21 days.. It's all good though! Cause & Effect was right there for the taking on the Org!

The only links to C&E that were "right there for the taking on the Org" were the links posted to the stream by the Current's staff, links posted to the Current's archive of the stream and links to the lotusflow3r website were you could pay 77.00 and join, to listen to it directly from Prince's website.

Here's the thread:

http://prince.org/msg/7/3...?&pg=1

I've been here for a very long time myself and as I recall most of the folks on that banned list have been head cheerleaders in the protection of Prince's copyright and the heavy handed approach he takes at doing so.

For someone that's been here for 7 years and 10 months, you KNEW better before you even asked or hinted or whatever. So instead of being all pissy and "boo hoo hoo, I got banned for 2 days" about it...stand up to Prince and his bullying tactics and say we have had enough of this foolishness!

Yes, we should be able to link to songs that are officially on other websites. Just as yes, we should be able to link to the massive amounts of Youtube videos that have suddenly been surfacing without repercussions because Prince has made some sort of deal with Youtube.

It's not Ben's or the Mod's fault you were banned for breaking what is clearly a well known rule around here...it's your's and Prince's!

The only question is...if you're really so upset about it, when are y'all going to stop acting like innocent victims of the mean ol' Mods power play and take a stand on getting that antiquated stupid ass rule changed?

.

[Edited 6/10/10 4:49am]

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

I've been here for a very long time myself and as I recall most of the folks on that banned list have been head cheerleaders in the protection of Prince's copyright and the heavy handed approach he takes at doing so.

For someone that's been here for 7 years and 10 months, you KNEW better before you even asked or hinted or whatever. So instead of being all pissy and "boo hoo hoo, I got banned for 2 days" about it...stand up to Prince and his bullying tactics and say we have had enough of this foolishness!

Yes, we should be able to link to songs that are officially on other websites. Just as yes, we should be able to link to massive amounts of Youtube videos that have suddenly been surfacing without reprecussions because Prince has made some sort of deal with Youtube.

It's not Ben's or the Mod's fault you were banned for breaking what is clearly a well known rule around here...it's your's and Prince's!

The only question is...if you're really so upset about it, when are y'all going to stop acting like innnocent victims of the mean ol' Mods power play and take a stand on getting that antiquated stupid ass rule changed?

.

[Edited 6/10/10 4:44am]

And that's my point. "Hot Summer" is a gray area - I think you just proved that.

Because there's no other reason why so many people that have never been banned, never asked for bootlegs, and always protected Prince's rights would all suddenly turn into the Second Coming of Moonraker.

I don't think any of us blame Prince for what happened.

We all blame luv4u.

RodeoSchro said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

I've been here for a very long time myself and as I recall most of the folks on that banned list have been head cheerleaders in the protection of Prince's copyright and the heavy handed approach he takes at doing so.

For someone that's been here for 7 years and 10 months, you KNEW better before you even asked or hinted or whatever. So instead of being all pissy and "boo hoo hoo, I got banned for 2 days" about it...stand up to Prince and his bullying tactics and say we have had enough of this foolishness!

Yes, we should be able to link to songs that are officially on other websites. Just as yes, we should be able to link to massive amounts of Youtube videos that have suddenly been surfacing without reprecussions because Prince has made some sort of deal with Youtube.

It's not Ben's or the Mod's fault you were banned for breaking what is clearly a well known rule around here...it's your's and Prince's!

The only question is...if you're really so upset about it, when are y'all going to stop acting like innnocent victims of the mean ol' Mods power play and take a stand on getting that antiquated stupid ass rule changed?

.

[Edited 6/10/10 4:44am]

And that's my point. "Hot Summer" is a gray area - I think you just proved that.

Because there's no other reason why so many people that have never been banned, never asked for bootlegs, and always protected Prince's rights would all suddenly turn into the Second Coming of Moonraker.

I don't think any of us blame Prince for what happened.

We all blame luv4u.

No, dear! What I just proved is how hypocritical you are! You know the rule and thought you could get away with breaking it! There have NEVER...EVER been any "gray areas" when it comes to Prince and his copyright bullshit and you KNOW this!

I know it hurts, to get caught up in this bullshit but Prince started it, y'all cheered it and now it's come full circle and bitten y'all in the ass!

Welcome to my world, circa 2007.

Either get off the fence and join the fight to get the stupid ass rule changed or don't fileshare and no asking for bootlegs on the Org...it's really just that simple!

.

[Edited 6/10/10 5:13am]

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Oh come on now! I'm usually one all for calling bullshit on Moderation around here but y'all were wrong as hell! So much so that even I had to say something about it, way before the Mods got around to it.

Oh hold up!

Now I said I wouldn't say anything about the song but this blatant HYPOCRITICAL begging to SHARE a BOOTLEG because if you have it in your computer's possession it is now a BOOTLEG, which for some of the folks begging the hardest is supposed to be a and only something us Haters would do...is another matter all together!

Y'all don't even want to play that game today!

However, I did not report y'all. If I had, I'd be more than happy to say so.

I was trying to get y'all to cut it out because had that been the resident "Haters" doing that, we'd have been reported, reprimanded and told in numerous posts and hit and run threads, how disrespectful we were to Prince, the Org, the fans, the sun, the moon, the stars and then we'd have STILL been banned and more than likely not temporarily!

The rule at the very top of the main page of the PM&M forum state in flashing letters:

ABSOLUTELY NO SOLICITING FOR BOOTLEGS.

and if that rule applies to ME...it applies to EVERYBODY...no matter how cleverly WE might try to disguise it...out in the open forum.

I think this is getting off track... just focusing on whether it was a bootleg or not.

The most frustrating thing is what most us said was harmless, and/or 2 subtle 2 warrant being banned.

More frustrating than that, was being banned without any warning, long after whatever comments we made.

Folks were out of control, and I understand why luv4u went snipping, but then to ban everyone she snipped (except Militant), and without warning, and with people who have never broken any Org rules, and/or rarely even discuss bootlegs... seems a bit harsh.

Anyhow, it's over now. No sense in contacting anyone, Ben or otherwise.

~G

Giovanni777 said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Oh come on now! I'm usually one all for calling bullshit on Moderation around here but y'all were wrong as hell! So much so that even I had to say something about it, way before the Mods got around to it.

However, I did not report y'all. If I had, I'd be more than happy to say so.

I was trying to get y'all to cut it out because had that been the resident "Haters" doing that, we'd have been reported, reprimanded and told in numerous posts and hit and run threads, how disrespectful we were to Prince, the Org, the fans, the sun, the moon, the stars and then we'd have STILL been banned and more than likely not temporarily!

The rule at the very top of the main page of the PM&M forum state in flashing letters:

ABSOLUTELY NO SOLICITING FOR BOOTLEGS.

and if that rule applies to ME...it applies to EVERYBODY...no matter how cleverly WE might try to disguise it...out in the open forum.

I think this is getting off track... just focusing on whether it was a bootleg or not.

The most frustrating thing is what most us said was harmless, and/or 2 subtle 2 warrant being banned.

More frustrating than that, was being banned without any warning, long after whatever comments we made.

Folks were out of control, and I understand why luv4u went snipping, but then to ban everyone she snipped (except Militant), and without warning, and with people who have never broken any Org rules, and/or rarely even discuss bootlegs... seems a bit harsh.

Anyhow, it's over now. No sense in contacting anyone, Ben or otherwise.

~G

I can't speak for Luv4u but considering this wasn't the first, second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth, nor tenth...etc. time that a new Prince song has come out and SOMEONE...actually a great many SOMEONES have thought they'd be clever and try to get around the rule that has stood at the top of the message board every single day since we've been members...

You had plenty of warning! You've watched and I'm sure reported, as well as cheered as others have been banned for doing the exact same thing you were doing. You KNEW the rule and you KNEW you were breaking it but at the time you didn't care because you just wanted to hear the damn song.

Why shouldn't you be able to ask a friend for a song that was played on a public radio station and streamed from their website, where if they listened with the right browser and had a little know how, it could be found in their cache to hook you up?

There's nothing wrong with that in MY eyes but it IS filesharing and therefore bootlegging and therefore against that stupid ass rule that is in place on THIS independent and unofficial
Prince fan community site because of Prince himself and the folks that cheer on his bullying of fansites!

Congratulations, you're no longer virgins!

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

RodeoSchro said:

And that's my point. "Hot Summer" is a gray area - I think you just proved that.

Because there's no other reason why so many people that have never been banned, never asked for bootlegs, and always protected Prince's rights would all suddenly turn into the Second Coming of Moonraker.

I don't think any of us blame Prince for what happened.

We all blame luv4u.

No, dear! What I just proved is how hypocritical you are! You know the rule and thought you could get away with breaking it! There have NEVER...EVER been any "gray areas" when it comes to Prince and his copyright bullshit and you KNOW this!

I know it hurts, to get caught up in this bullshit but Prince started it, y'all cheered it and now it's come full circle and bitten y'all in the ass!

Welcome to my world, circa 2007.

Either get off the fence and join the fight to get the stupid ass rule changed or don't fileshare and no asking for bootlegs on the Org...it's really just that simple!

.

[Edited 6/10/10 5:13am]

LOL, we're just going to have to agree to disagree.

And for the record, I've been VERY vocal on how Prince ripped us off on Lotu$flower.com. I haven't cheered his methods at ALL.

On a potentially related note, a thread about a 10/2009 show has been deleted. This thread contained a comment by luv4u that is EXACTLY like what she temp-banned us for in the "Hot Summer" thread.

The thread is gone but no one has been temp-banned.

I rest my case!

RodeoSchro said:

On a potentially related note, a thread about a 10/2009 show has been deleted. This thread contained a comment by luv4u that is EXACTLY like what she temp-banned us for in the "Hot Summer" thread.

The thread is gone but no one has been temp-banned.

I rest my case!

That's some tall bullshit (the deletion) right there.

RodeoSchro said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

No, dear! What I just proved is how hypocritical you are! You know the rule and thought you could get away with breaking it! There have NEVER...EVER been any "gray areas" when it comes to Prince and his copyright bullshit and you KNOW this!

I know it hurts, to get caught up in this bullshit but Prince started it, y'all cheered it and now it's come full circle and bitten y'all in the ass!

Welcome to my world, circa 2007.

Either get off the fence and join the fight to get the stupid ass rule changed or don't fileshare and no asking for bootlegs on the Org...it's really just that simple!

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LOL, we're just going to have to agree to disagree.

And for the record, I've been VERY vocal on how Prince ripped us off on Lotu$flower.com. I haven't cheered his methods at ALL.

Actually, we don't disagree all that much. I think it's beyond stupid that you couldn't do what you did because of the rule and were banned...but the rule is the rule.

The problem isn't the enforcing of the rule...if it stands for one, it stands for all...even if that includes the good fans who simply got a little over-eager and forgot themselves for a moment!

The problem is with the rule itself!

It NEEDS to be CHANGED but it won't be if y'all don't accept resonsibility for your actions and demonstrate how ridiculous it is to continue with this antiquated ass rule, when Prince isn't even bitching about his music and videos on Youtube anymore. So obviously his stance or somebody's stance has changed.

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