It happens. Sooner or later we grow tired of those people/things that have given us pleasure throughout the years...We give up on our favorite author; Our excitement over an obsessed-over culinary dish lessens considerably as taste evolve; We can no longer root with unbridled passion for our favorite sport because it is no longer connected to the wide-eyed wonder of our childhood. We fall out of love with that woman or man who we have clearly outgrown....

Well, the same can be said for music. And for some of you, this is clearly the case with Prince. There are plenty of reasons why some folks have had it with Mr. Nelson...There are some who have trouble moving on from his '80s era Revolution glory and sound; Some fans just don't believe his newer material cuts it anymore...Some have found newer artists to fill the youthful, experimental void that Prince once represented in their minds...Some have grown tired of his mismanaged business ventures---the debacle of his last website was apparently the last straw for many of you...Fans have left the Org because of any number of the above reasons. It's their right...You have to respect that...Hell, I even agree with some of their underlining beefs..

But what I've been noticing on the Org lately doesn't fit those above profiles entirely...What I've witnessed is a site dominated by individuals who for the most part hate themselves for being Prince fans...The individuals who post Dear John letters on the site to explain why they are leaving the Org.....And then there are the sect who were never fans to begin with...They feel it is their duty to set those "Crazy Prince Fans" straight...Because how on earth could someone think a 50 plus-year old act who is well past his prime should still be revered as a great artist TODAY?!!!???

But some of you forgot what it really boils down to?: PRINCE.ORG. Yep, that's the name of the site, folks...A place for Prince fans to discuss his music, concerts, cultural impact and moments and also vent with clarity over legitimate beefs within the Prince universe...But when you find yourself endlessly venting about the most mundane things, then there's something else going onnhere, isn't it?...

Which is why it's time for the folks that no longer have no use for Prince to bow out gracefully. Trust me, you can do it.

Really, this is all about having self-respect....No one wants to be that fan who ALWAYS bitches in every post about how your favorite artist is no longer bringing it...It's juvenile...It's narcissistic...It's tiring...Unless it is you aim to be an asshole...

What inspired this little rant?

The revelation that self-hating Prince fans can't even enjoy the idea of their "favorite" artist being named among Time's 100 Most Influential People of 2010...When posts about Prince getting sued get more hits than dude getting a cool little accolade, you know this is some other shit..This place now resembles little more than a 12 Step Alcoholics Anonymous meeting that never ends....

Long Live The Org!

murph said:

I agree..if any orger is self-respecting enough, and feels like bashing Prince everyday or every post they write or contribute to, bow the heck out. the org would be 3/4 empty though Murph!

murph said:

Well said....

Murph, you know i agree and enjoy your on point and well thought out posts but, this will not register, the same excuses will be said and 3 months later, you'll be right back here saying the same, unfortunately.

These members (whom i don't want to give attention to at all because they are seeking it, i mean, this must be the only place in their lives where they can gather any self-importance, in their minds, with "controversial" statements) will continue to usher in verbal diarrhea and its for these reasons i just can't post as much or start topics, i feel as if i am contributing in giving Prince an undeserved, gentle middle finger. I feel as if i am lowering myself to stupidity in most cases...

Obviously, i stay because it is now the biggest Prince community on the web and with that comes to-the-minute news or rumour. Also, every once in awile, you get some good.

But, hey....i mainly resort to giving sarcastic one liners now, rather than having a great in depth discussion....Long live the Org!
[Edited 5/1/10 6:36am]

Being a fan gives one both bragging and bitching rights. Comes with the territory.

murph said:

I can see it from both sides really - granted theres no point being on a Prince fan site if you REALLY dont like him anymore...but he cant have his cake an eat it - just as much as he doesnt want fans banging on about 'back in the day' then he must accept (as must some corners of his fan base) that people are focussing on his recent activities,,,which sadly comprise of being sued or suing somebody else, backing out of agreements in the form of concerts & lotus flower...oh and making a list precisely because ofhis past

murph said:

ah, but see, I still love his music. even the new stuff. and I'd say people who were not into LotusFlow3r or MPLSound last year probably should move along because it probably isn't going to get any better than that.

I just don't think there's any valid reason for Prince to be one of the Time 100 in 2010. I don't see what he's done noteworthy in the last 6 months or year that would qualify him for the honor, other than agreeing to come and perform at it. A year ago? Yeah, I could see it for 2009. He was launching a 3-disc set exclusive to one retailer, launching what had the potential to be a killer website, doing 3 shows at 3 venues in one night, all over TV, etc. In the last 6 months? What's he done? Gotten sued and lost a lot, screwed some hardcore fans, given a high profile flop to the Vikings, become deliquent on his property taxes. My only issue with him being named one of the Time 100 *this* year is the timing. Being named one of the Time 100 is actually the only *GOOD* piece of Prince news we've gotten in quite some time. All the rest is really, really bad news.

murph said:

good post, murph.

it's as though you have some here who complain for the sake of complaining and it's pointless. as for myself, i won't post on every prince thread to be a troll or flame-baiter because i have better things to do with my time and my life. i "don't major in the minors".

errant said:

I'm glad you responded to this post Errant....Because you were one of the many inspirations for my little comments....I can honestly say that I want to believe you...I want to believe that you are just being a level-headed fan who is only trying to inject a little dose of reality into the Prince universe...Lord knows, we need such commentary when things get out of hand....

However, the problem is, your "level headed realism" has become par-for-the-course with your posts...You have become the Boy That Cries Wolf...Even when you make a credible point, it gets boxed into the rest of your obsessive negativity over all things Prince...

Allow me to out myself for a moment so my following points will hit home to you Errant....My name is Keith Murphy...I've been a professional journalist for much of my adult years...I've written for various publications and websites that you may or may not know of...I've appeared on television various times to give pop culture commentary...But none of that matters...What matters is I've seen and written about a shit load of celebrities who have gotten into hot water over various legal issues...whether it's late tax payments, getting sued for stealing songs, getting sued for not showing up for gigs, domestic abuse,gun and drug possession...murder...You name it, I've covered it...And I can tell you that the good people at Time Magazine have most likely seen and covered the same celebrity missteps...

So to the everyday Prince fan like yourself (I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here...) getting sued for not showing up at gigs, mishandling a fansite, not paying his taxes on time or getting sued by a perfume company reeks as scandalous, headline grabbing blunders that tarnish one's legacy. But for folks who have covered these musicians, celebrities, movers and shakers for years, Prince's fuck ups are trivial when compared to others...If somehow the man was busted for rape, murder, or any other serious crime then I could see your point about P not being deserving of such an accolade by the people of Time...Lindsay Lohan?...This is someone who is truly not having a good year...

The truth is, for a lot of people who are not hardcore Prince fans, the fact that he is thriving outside of the traditional parameters of a dying music industry, an attribute that has been part of the Prince mystique since the mid '90s, is the big story here...I'm willing to bet that the editors of Time have taken in account that Prince is among the last of the '80s acts that can still captivate the public whether it's critically acclaimed gigs in Paris or a well-received new album project, that beyond the Prince hardliners, was reviewed positively whether we agree with such reviews or not...To me, you've already showed your hand...But your latest post was beyond the call of duty...You are no longer a fan...And that's cool...It happens...There's nothing wrong with walking away...

But to "real" Prince fans like yourself, this is all moot...Because the Org is no longer a place for moderate Prince fans...It's become a refuge for folks who relish pointing out that the old man no longer has it and shitting on fans who still see Price as a great artist on a Prince fan site no less...Hell, even the Org moderators here have gotten into the act...

All this to say Errant, going on a fansite dedicated to a specific artist and constantly pointing out the failures of said artist is counterproductive...Sooner of later, if you really believe that Prince is shell of his former self, then it may be time for you to just move on...Life is better that way...Trust me...
[Edited 5/1/10 10:02am]

murph said:

maybe all you see is the negative, maybe it sticks out because it rubs yout he wrong way. I have a lot of positive things to say about Prince's music. and even when I don't, I guess I take it for granted that there are a lot of positive things to say, otherwise I wouldn't be a fan and I wouldn't be on this site and I wouldn't be in this particular forum. and I'll agree that there are people who I see posts by and think "lord, just get over it already. we get it. you hate Prince why are you still here?" but that has more to do with the way their personalities strike me than any real desire for them to leave or just shut up. maybe I've become one of those people for you.

but I'm honored that you singled me out specifically, what with you bein' a high-faluttin' journalist and all
[Edited 5/1/10 10:05am]

BRILLIANT!!!

And before folks start bitching about their rights to bitch when they want, in thier bitchy way... Murph's post is only a suggestion. A well thought out, well put, well over-due suggestion...

Best commentary I've read here in a LOOOOONG while.

errant said:

Thanks for the high faluttin' tag homie..Ha!...But as with most of your posts this is not an isolated incident...Again, as much as I want to give you the benefit of the doubt, I think it's become obviously clear that you thrive in negativity...

I'm not a therapist...And I don't play one on TV...But there is help out there for you....Or you could do the most logical thing...Just leave the fan site for an artist that you clearly no longer have no use for...Simple isn't it?

murph said:

as I said, I have plenty of use for him. I've been listening to nothing but Prince music for the last 2 months, actually. I'll come and go as I please and will say what I want and you'll just have to get over it. Maybe the person who doesn't like to hear or read opinions that are different than his own is the one who needs help. Maybe your position as a journalist and pop culture commentator has imbued you with some kind of sense of superiority that makes you feel no other opinion is worth having. We call that narcisssism. Or talk radio host.
[Edited 5/1/10 10:13am]

It's true. Everynow and then we have these threads pop up, things die down a little and then it starts again. All good points mentioned by Murph. It's kind of crazy if you think about it. You come to a Prince fan site and then indeed, have to end up defending yourself and Prince for your likes, because a so called 'fan' thinks Prince has lost the magic and charm.

Maybe all the positive Prince fans who put him in the light & take the "bad" with the good should boycott the board for a month. Leave the ones who want to constantly sow negativity, to swim in their in their own medicine on their own.
I guarantee they'll soon be bored out their minds.

WetDream said:

Bohemian67 said:

Maybe all of the so-called "naysayers" should boycott the board for a month and let you all drown in threads about the color of Prince's suit, pictures of his left knee, the wacko marriage propsosals, and Prince as your personal lord and savior. We'll see who's bored then.

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All points covered here:


http://prince.org/msg/7/317151











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Bohemian67 said:

^^^This is my underlining point...Except for one thing...I don't subscribe to the "positive" Prince fan tag...Because if you are a fan of any artist that means that u will have some positive viewpoints of said artist...And if we are lucky we will also be able to speak our minds when our favorite act is fucking up...

The problem is the Org, in your eloquent words the Org has become a place where you find yourself "defending yourself and Prince for your likes, because a so called fan thinks Prince has lost the magic and charm."

Only in Prince world...You won't find it with David Bowie, Bruce, Madonna or Stevie fans...But you will with Prince...
[Edited 5/1/10 10:24am]

TheVoid said:

If only it was that simple....

oh, and PS. wrong forum

To be honest i'm surprised anyone still gives a shit what faceless individuals post on any internet discussion forum.

The.org is kind of mild compared to some out there.

Was a good post though murph!

Marrk said:

But that's the point. Just because it's anonymous/faceless and the internet we're still humans right? Discussing other humans. We should care. It's just too easy, not to.

Marrk said:

It's rare I laugh at the mere concept of an idea, but someone taking a pious stance against people reacting too negatively to Prince definitely is laugh worthy. Granted, maybe not laugh out loud, but at least an eye-roll at the absurdity of it all.

Get over yourself (not you Marrk).

Wall said:

I'm glad you could make it Wall....I'm quite over myself....I'm just perplexed at some of the more wacked-out fans like yourself..My point went straight over your head....Which is no surprise....
[Edited 5/1/10 10:55am]

murph said:

Hey, thanks for having me. I hope you don't mind if I muck up the place just a bit longer. I mean, I'm really taking that serious post you made to heart, but it's gonna take a bit to finally turn out the lights and lock up the doors.

Thank god someone finally had the wherewithal on this site to tell 'the haters' that they should leave. I mean, think about it people: some of you, or wait, some of 'y'all' just hate and if that's the case, why don't you go start anti-Prince.org. I mean, seriously.

Wall said:

Edit-NICE EDIT up there.

Why do people quote the whole post that starts the thread when replying to the thread?!?!?!?!?!?!? Just reply, don't quote unless it's only the part you're replying to, please.

That shit drives me nutz! Okay, done venting, what were we talking about again?

blueautumn said:

I'm guilty of doing that, but I agree.

We're talking about how murph has finally had enough, reached his breaking point. I'm not up to date on things since whatever the name of that soul-crushing song Prince released was, but apparently there's some serious hate going around regarding Prince and TIME magazine and murph is here to stop it come hell or high water.

Wall said:

Of course I don't mind Wall...It's been your M.O. for ages...Oh yeah...

You are either nuts or a Troll....I'm putting my money on the latter....What about you?

Marrk said:

I see your point, but believe that negative energy that is created by these "harmless" faceless acts can cause damage. I mean that's how rumors gain their strength. (Especially negative ones.)