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GetAwayFromMe said: CarrieMpls said: I would say the moral of the story is absolutely to moderate yourselves. I couldn't have said it better myself. I'll say it again. MODERATE YOURSELVES!!!!! We'll ALL be happier if there's nothing for the mods to do. Cause that means everyone is following the freaking rules. And I'm not sure where you get that we don't moderate things that aren't reported. I mentioned above that we do that all the time. Only that if you see something that you think should be dealt with, report it. If something you think should be snipped or moderated isn't yet, it's most likely cause we haven't seen it. It could be because we disagree about whether it breaks the rules or not too. But you won't know unless you report it. And no, we don't go through every post with a fine-toothed comb. That's why we have a report feature. We depend on the community to help us out. What is the point of having moderators if the moderators themselves are telling us to moderate our own shit? LMAO! What I said was that you guys ONLY MODERDATE WHAT IS REPORTED. THIS IS UNFAIR. Scenario for you: If I am disliked by a certain number of individuals, they can report every single post I write, making it SEEM like I am something that I am not. And since you guys don't read everything, you've just admitted, there is no way you could possibly moderate correctly, because you're relying on some maybe not so honest people who are TRYING to get other people banned. So I ask again, what is the point of having moderators in the first frickin' place if you're not really moderating every thread!!!! 
I so don't get this place....it's like the blind leading the blind here sometimes. If you could see the look on my face right now, I am absolutely dumbfounded by the lack of responsibility on the part of moderation. Can I be a moderator? Jesus, you can't say anything around here anymore. Or at least, I can't. But that's because I've been reported more than some, eh? But we don't "only moderate what is reported". That's what I'm saying. Not as a rule, anyway.
I'm not saying mistakes don't happen, 'cause they do. Not a one of us is perfect. I see that you'd like it if all of the mods read every post on every thread in every forum and unfortunately, none of us has the time for that. Maybe if it were a paid position that would make a difference. As it is, we volunteer our precious free time to help out where we can. Certainly, we like to be active members in the forums we moderate. And for the most part we are. This is why I did not volunteer to moderate in P:M&M or P&R because I don't spend much time at all in there, and don't plan to. But sometimes life happens. And we have better things to do. |
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what happened to the farrakhan thread in the P&R forum? it was there last night, now it's just gone. poof! i ask because of this thread about baiting, and because i couldn't help noticing that there was some total baiting going on there. no one would talk about the topic and everyone was accusing the thread's creator (mittzva?) of being an alter... it was a valid topic, but unpopular so instead of talking about the topic, and more importantly instead of leaving the thread alone, a group of folks were making personal attacks on the thread's creator. what happened to that thread? just curious | |
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what happened to the farrakhan thread in the P&R forum? it was there last night, now it's just gone. poof! i ask because of this thread about baiting, and because i couldn't help noticing that there was some total baiting going on there. no one would talk about the topic and everyone was accusing the thread's creator (mittzva?) of being an alter... it was a valid topic, but unpopular so instead of talking about the topic, and more importantly instead of leaving the thread alone, a group of folks were making personal attacks on the thread's creator. what happened to that thread? just curious The thread was created by an alter account of a perma banned orger - the account and thread have been dealt with in an acceptable fashion If the topic is/was something you feel important and debate worthy - feel free to start a new thread  | |
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GetAwayFromMe said: I'm really not trying to be mean, but if you volunteer for a job and then complain when you're asked to do the job, ummm, I just don't see why you get mad at us when we want you to perform. Have we "complained" ? | |
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Mach said: GetAwayFromMe said: I'm really not trying to be mean, but if you volunteer for a job and then complain when you're asked to do the job, ummm, I just don't see why you get mad at us when we want you to perform. Have we "complained" ? Yes, some of you have.  | |
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XxAxX said:
what happened to the farrakhan thread in the P&R forum? it was there last night, now it's just gone. poof! i ask because of this thread about baiting, and because i couldn't help noticing that there was some total baiting going on there. no one would talk about the topic and everyone was accusing the thread's creator (mittzva?) of being an alter... it was a valid topic, but unpopular so instead of talking about the topic, and more importantly instead of leaving the thread alone, a group of folks were making personal attacks on the thread's creator. what happened to that thread? just curious But it was an alter and immediately the thread becomes bait itself and at that point, no one takes the alter seriously, nor should they. nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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How many replies did the Mittzva(sp)/Farrakhan thread have at the point of locking?
I scanned it, and IIRC he/she was called out as an alter early doors yet the thread went on and on and on.... Surely if you know someone is baiting you walk away. Isn't participating just as bad? Ignore them and they'll stop. Problem solved. |
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MuthaFunka said: XxAxX said:
what happened to the farrakhan thread in the P&R forum? it was there last night, now it's just gone. poof! i ask because of this thread about baiting, and because i couldn't help noticing that there was some total baiting going on there. no one would talk about the topic and everyone was accusing the thread's creator (mittzva?) of being an alter... it was a valid topic, but unpopular so instead of talking about the topic, and more importantly instead of leaving the thread alone, a group of folks were making personal attacks on the thread's creator. what happened to that thread? just curious But it was an alter and immediately the thread becomes bait itself and at that point, no one takes the alter seriously, nor should they. There was no way for anyone to immediately positively know that. Regardless, as we've stated time and again,someone else breaking the rules is not an open invitition for you to do the same. Report it and walk away. Studies have shown the ass crack of the average Prince fan to be abnormally large. This explains the ease and frequency of their panties bunching up in it. |
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moderatormcmeekle said: How many replies did the Mittzva(sp)/Farrakhan thread have at the point of locking?
I scanned it, and IIRC he/she was called out as an alter early doors yet the thread went on and on and on.... Surely if you know someone is baiting you walk away. Isn't participating just as bad? Ignore them and they'll stop. Problem solved. Depends...was anyone baiting or just clowning? Now, if we're gonna go "there" about clowning then A BUNCH of Orgers would be in violation.  nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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MuthaFunka said: mcmeekle said: How many replies did the Mittzva(sp)/Farrakhan thread have at the point of locking?
I scanned it, and IIRC he/she was called out as an alter early doors yet the thread went on and on and on.... Surely if you know someone is baiting you walk away. Isn't participating just as bad? Ignore them and they'll stop. Problem solved. Depends...was anyone baiting or just clowning? Now, if we're gonna go "there" about clowning then A BUNCH of Orgers would be in violation. If you think they're baiting, move on. If you think they're clowning, it's a different beast and you can participate in the clowning or not. Not that I'd know anything about clowning around.....  |
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mcmeekle said: MuthaFunka said: Depends...was anyone baiting or just clowning? Now, if we're gonna go "there" about clowning then A BUNCH of Orgers would be in violation. If you think they're baiting, move on. If you think they're clowning, it's a different beast and you can participate in the clowning or not. Not that I'd know anything about clowning around.....  nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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Mach said: XxAxX said:
what happened to the farrakhan thread in the P&R forum? it was there last night, now it's just gone. poof! i ask because of this thread about baiting, and because i couldn't help noticing that there was some total baiting going on there. no one would talk about the topic and everyone was accusing the thread's creator (mittzva?) of being an alter... it was a valid topic, but unpopular so instead of talking about the topic, and more importantly instead of leaving the thread alone, a group of folks were making personal attacks on the thread's creator. what happened to that thread? just curious The thread was created by an alter account of a perma banned orger - the account and thread have been dealt with in an acceptable fashion If the topic is/was something you feel important and debate worthy - feel free to start a new thread i would except that it would never be allowed to get off the ground. see, instead of leaving the topics they dislike alone, instead of walking away, some ORGers will show up and heatedly argue that other people's views aren't valid, that they cannot possibly have an experiential basis for their differing opinion. no actual discussion of the issues takes place, the thread simply becomes someplace where people say: 'my opinion is more valid than your opinion and furthermore you can't possibly know what you're talking about because you're not me so stop posting here with your different opinion". i have seen threads where the thread creator begs people to stay on topic, to discuss the issues posed by the thread but people don't. they taunt the creator for being an alter ego, decry his personal heritage, jack the topic entirely off the tracks and then, once things get heated enough to be reported, a moderator is forced to step in and lock the thread saying 'since we can't play nice i'm closing this thread.' you yourself, Mach, have locked a couple of my threads this way. then, you invite me to begin a new thread since the topic was valid. for example, the Isis thread (quite) a while back. folks showed up to protest that wonder women was white, not black, and poof the thread turned into yet another racism thread, which was locked because folks were jacking the topic and turned it into yet another racism free for all. (and dang it too, because for once i had a thread which folks actually posted on!!!! )
in the old days, this happened a lot with the JW threads. eventually, the mods stepped in and began locking the JW threads from the start, opining that the threads 'had' to be bait, simply because the atmosphere back then was pretty tense regarding the whole JW theology. it is the new way to 'win' a debate without actually having to take part in any real discussion of why we all have unique perspectives on various aspects of life. [Edited 7/11/09 4:47am] | |
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XxAxX said: Mach said: The thread was created by an alter account of a perma banned orger - the account and thread have been dealt with in an acceptable fashion If the topic is/was something you feel important and debate worthy - feel free to start a new thread i would except that it would never be allowed to get off the ground. see, instead of leaving the topics they dislike alone, instead of walking away, some ORGers will show up and heatedly argue that other people's views aren't valid, that they cannot possibly have an experiential basis for their differing opinion. no actual discussion of the issues takes place, the thread simply becomes someplace where people say: 'my opinion is more valid than your opinion and furthermore you can't possibly know what you're talking about because you're not me so stop posting here with your different opinion". i have seen threads where the thread creator begs people to stay on topic, to discuss the issues posed by the thread but people don't. they taunt the creator for being an alter ego, decry his personal heritage, jack the topic entirely off the tracks and then, once things get heated enough to be reported, a moderator is forced to step in and lock the thread saying 'since we can't play nice i'm closing this thread.' you yourself, Mach, have locked a couple of my threads this way. then, you invite me to begin a new thread since the topic was valid. for example, the Isis thread (quite) a while back. folks showed up to protest that wonder women was white, not black, and poof the thread turned into yet another racism thread, which was locked because folks were jacking the topic and turned it into yet another racism free for all. (and dang it too, because for once i had a thread which folks actually posted on!!!! )
in the old days, this happened a lot with the JW threads. eventually, the mods stepped in and began locking the JW threads from the start, opining that the threads 'had' to be bait, simply because the atmosphere back then was pretty tense regarding the whole JW theology. it is the new way to 'win' a debate without actually having to take part in any real discussion of why we all have unique perspectives on various aspects of life. [Edited 7/11/09 4:47am] I understand and respect your insights and thank you I have to be 100% honest - I do not check P&R as much as I used to - nor do I post there as much or read each thread and post as much as I used to So a thread that may have started 3 days ago - I may be unaware of until day 4 and so on and in reality I may not even open it to know what's going down inside unless there is a report specially when I am on a weeks vaca - I DO NOT take a laptop and stay plugged in or when there are family issues - those come 1st above modding here and can take days to work through I also allow myself org member only days where I am NOT in Mod mode so that I may have some enjoyment in this place to encourage me to want to take care of all the Mod crap/issues I appreciate the issues you have pointed out and the reminders and I will look once again at my weaknesses in the Mod arena and where I could improve Maybe I ( we P&R mods ) just need to start a major crackdown ... | |
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Mach said: XxAxX said: i would except that it would never be allowed to get off the ground. see, instead of leaving the topics they dislike alone, instead of walking away, some ORGers will show up and heatedly argue that other people's views aren't valid, that they cannot possibly have an experiential basis for their differing opinion. no actual discussion of the issues takes place, the thread simply becomes someplace where people say: 'my opinion is more valid than your opinion and furthermore you can't possibly know what you're talking about because you're not me so stop posting here with your different opinion". i have seen threads where the thread creator begs people to stay on topic, to discuss the issues posed by the thread but people don't. they taunt the creator for being an alter ego, decry his personal heritage, jack the topic entirely off the tracks and then, once things get heated enough to be reported, a moderator is forced to step in and lock the thread saying 'since we can't play nice i'm closing this thread.' you yourself, Mach, have locked a couple of my threads this way. then, you invite me to begin a new thread since the topic was valid. for example, the Isis thread (quite) a while back. folks showed up to protest that wonder women was white, not black, and poof the thread turned into yet another racism thread, which was locked because folks were jacking the topic and turned it into yet another racism free for all. (and dang it too, because for once i had a thread which folks actually posted on!!!! )
in the old days, this happened a lot with the JW threads. eventually, the mods stepped in and began locking the JW threads from the start, opining that the threads 'had' to be bait, simply because the atmosphere back then was pretty tense regarding the whole JW theology. it is the new way to 'win' a debate without actually having to take part in any real discussion of why we all have unique perspectives on various aspects of life. [Edited 7/11/09 4:47am] I understand and respect your insights and thank you I have to be 100% honest - I do not check P&R as much as I used to - nor do I post there as much or read each thread and post as much as I used to So a thread that may have started 3 days ago - I may be unaware of until day 4 and so on and in reality I may not even open it to know what's going down inside unless there is a report specially when I am on a weeks vaca - I DO NOT take a laptop and stay plugged in or when there are family issues - those come 1st above modding here and can take days to work through I also allow myself org member only days where I am NOT in Mod mode so that I may have some enjoyment in this place to encourage me to want to take care of all the Mod crap/issues I appreciate the issues you have pointed out and the reminders and I will look once again at my weaknesses in the Mod arena and where I could improve Maybe I ( we P&R mods ) just need to start a major crackdown ... people in pnr need to grow up for the most part. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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Anxiety said: MuthaFunka said: Right, but in that reasoning comes "guess work" and THAT'S where the shit gets out of hand: Mod reaction to thinking certain orgers are talking about other certain orgers and that's not always the case. Targeting. THAT'S the main problem with this. Ya can't just OVERLY mod one person/group simply based off history because then there's a STRONG chance they'll get it wrong BECAUSE of that "targeting". And given that, that then allows others to "bait" more KNOWING that that orger is being targeted and that targeted orger will face more sanctions than the baitor him/herself. That's the shit that stinks to high hell. hmmm. let's say the .org is a big house, and you can pretty much hang out wherever you want when you're in that house. now, let's say every time you mess with the stove, you burn yourself. or whenver you try to pet one of the cats in the house, they hiss and scratch you. or when you dig around in the knife drawer, you always cut your fingers. well...don't mess with the stove, then! stay away from the cats! don't rummage around in the knife drawer! you can say you're an adult and that you should have the ability to do those things, but if you keep banging yourself up whenever you try, maybe it's just best if you stayed away from certain parts of the house. just because you CAN or OUGHT TO BE ABLE to do something, doesn't mean you SHOULD do something. if there are certain people on here or topics discussed on here that end up with you winding up in a not-so-great situation, then instead of blaming the stove or the cats or the knife drawer, maybe you should think more about where you're sticking your fingers, or at the very least think about how you can be more cautious around those things. you know? Well, sometimes even when you have certain orgers on ignore status, and ignore their posts, they still try to find a way to come after you,even to the point f creating "alters" to get around to you, because they simply don't like you, so by creating alters to intentionally bait/troll specific orgers, apparently by doing so, gets their egos wet with satisfaction. They will even respond to their own "alter's" posts at times, so that others won't figure out they're alters--which is kind of "creepy" It happens a lot in P&R.
They'll create alters for the sake of going after those they don't like because they have "personal and insecure" issues with that individual's opinions on particular matters of discussion or do it to target a "specific" group period, and if those specific individuals they target, don't agree with their opinions on the subject at hand, then the alter will "suddenly" accuse them of being "hostile", "angry" etc., Secondly, folks need to remember "no one forces anyone here to participate in any thread on any forum", it is an individual choice you made on your own. If it gets to the point where one has to create "alters" just to bait, then it is obvious they have a "personal" aganda, and that alter needs to be deleted, especially if it is used to intentionally bait and troll. Thirdly, if orgers don't like participating in threads like "race" threads, no one is forcing you. Discussions on race matters are a part of life. It is a very, sensitive topic, and you have to have thick skin to deal with the varying opinions and experiences that comes along with race discussion threads, as well as religious threads. If you compare discussions on "race matters" in P&R to other sites on the internet, many of the comments regarding race on sites outside P&R will make your head spin more than twice, as you'd be shocked at some of the comments, opinions, insults and disrespect that are allowed on blogs, well-known public sites, such as AOL, CNN, MSNBC, Yahoo, and many others, as well as articles on race discussions all over the internet. People need to remember that no one forces you to partake in any topic on this site period. If you don't like discussing a particular topic, then you have the "choice" of participating or not, you are not forced to do so, as the choice is up to you. But anyway, getting back to the baiting issue and alters, I agree with Mutha on the use of alters that some use to jump on a thread and use it as a form of baiting and trolling to intentionally "get back at " or "harass" orgers they personally dislike, and will follow those orgers around all over "particular" threads, trying to find a reason to bait them or get them banned. Just my two cents..  [Edited 7/16/09 12:32pm] | |
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ehuffnsd said: Mach said: I understand and respect your insights and thank you I have to be 100% honest - I do not check P&R as much as I used to - nor do I post there as much or read each thread and post as much as I used to So a thread that may have started 3 days ago - I may be unaware of until day 4 and so on and in reality I may not even open it to know what's going down inside unless there is a report specially when I am on a weeks vaca - I DO NOT take a laptop and stay plugged in or when there are family issues - those come 1st above modding here and can take days to work through I also allow myself org member only days where I am NOT in Mod mode so that I may have some enjoyment in this place to encourage me to want to take care of all the Mod crap/issues I appreciate the issues you have pointed out and the reminders and I will look once again at my weaknesses in the Mod arena and where I could improve Maybe I ( we P&R mods ) just need to start a major crackdown ... people in pnr need to grow up for the most part. That's not the only forum with folks who need to mature.  "Let love be your perfect weapon..." ~~Andy Biersack | |
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noimageatall said: ehuffnsd said: people in pnr need to grow up for the most part. That's not the only forum with folks who need to mature. it's excusable in GD You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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Interesting topic. Any solutions? | |
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Graycap23 said: Interesting topic. Any solutions?
The entire Mod squad and Ben have some ideas on the table in our discussion forum I am sure there will be a thread posted here ( p.org site discussion ) when we come to our decision on how we intend to treat P&R ~ | |
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Mach said: XxAxX said:
what happened to the farrakhan thread in the P&R forum? it was there last night, now it's just gone. poof! i ask because of this thread about baiting, and because i couldn't help noticing that there was some total baiting going on there. no one would talk about the topic and everyone was accusing the thread's creator (mittzva?) of being an alter... it was a valid topic, but unpopular so instead of talking about the topic, and more importantly instead of leaving the thread alone, a group of folks were making personal attacks on the thread's creator. what happened to that thread? just curious The thread was created by an alter account of a perma banned orger - the account and thread have been dealt with in an acceptable fashion If the topic is/was something you feel important and debate worthy - feel free to start a new thread Wow interesting. I guess that explains it. [Edited 7/16/09 12:26pm] | |
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Mach said: Graycap23 said: Interesting topic. Any solutions?
The entire Mod squad and Ben have some ideas on the table in our discussion forum I am sure there will be a thread posted here ( p.org site discussion ) when we come to our decision on how we intend to treat P&R ~ Move it here.  |
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mcmeekle said: Mach said: The entire Mod squad and Ben have some ideas on the table in our discussion forum I am sure there will be a thread posted here ( p.org site discussion ) when we come to our decision on how we intend to treat P&R ~ Move it here. | |
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mcmeekle said: Mach said: The entire Mod squad and Ben have some ideas on the table in our discussion forum I am sure there will be a thread posted here ( p.org site discussion ) when we come to our decision on how we intend to treat P&R ~ Move it here. lol.....better than what is there. | |
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Anxiety said: MuthaFunka said: Right, but in that reasoning comes "guess work" and THAT'S where the shit gets out of hand: Mod reaction to thinking certain orgers are talking about other certain orgers and that's not always the case. Targeting. THAT'S the main problem with this. Ya can't just OVERLY mod one person/group simply based off history because then there's a STRONG chance they'll get it wrong BECAUSE of that "targeting". And given that, that then allows others to "bait" more KNOWING that that orger is being targeted and that targeted orger will face more sanctions than the baitor him/herself. That's the shit that stinks to high hell. hmmm. let's say the .org is a big house, and you can pretty much hang out wherever you want when you're in that house. now, let's say every time you mess with the stove, you burn yourself. or whenver you try to pet one of the cats in the house, they hiss and scratch you. or when you dig around in the knife drawer, you always cut your fingers. well...don't mess with the stove, then! stay away from the cats! don't rummage around in the knife drawer! you can say you're an adult and that you should have the ability to do those things, but if you keep banging yourself up whenever you try, maybe it's just best if you stayed away from certain parts of the house. just because you CAN or OUGHT TO BE ABLE to do something, doesn't mean you SHOULD do something. if there are certain people on here or topics discussed on here that end up with you winding up in a not-so-great situation, then instead of blaming the stove or the cats or the knife drawer, maybe you should think more about where you're sticking your fingers, or at the very least think about how you can be more cautious around those things. you know? do I have to bring my own soap and shampoo? Towels? Can I use my own toothpaste? | |
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kimrachell said: http://prince.org/msg/7/314006?&pg=1
a thread like this is scary!  Thread missing or not yet approved
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The focus is always on P&R but I have to say that PM&M is much worse these days.
P&R always gets a bad rep but it has turned into one of the best forums of this site. It used to be much more unpleasant when it started. Over the years it has mellowed out quite a lot, not the least thanks to more moderation. I think the only pressing issues are some people with bait altars getting too much room and some sensitive threads on (JW) religion and racism getting out of hand that need to be dealt with better. There will always be personal issues of course, also involving moderators, and these can get out of hand more quickly when it's also about politics or religion, but you have issues like that in other forums on other personal issues as well. That's the nature of a social network website like this. Other than that, the P&R forum is very alive and offers a pretty broad spectre of topics that are reguraly debated in depth by a large group of active orgers. Maybe not always as respectfully as could be expected and maybe not always with impartial and balanced moderation decisions, but it has grown more cool and mature. PM&M on the other hand has really detoriated the last couple of years. The room childish and fanatic threads, as well as the baiting by some naysayers get there, to rehash the same ol' boring topics over and over again, very regularly ending in the ame ol' attacking and defending, has shyed me away from that forum a long time ago already. I also notice that many highly active GD orgers never ever visit that forum, which I think says a lot about how bad it sucks according to general opinion. Overall I think the moderator team is doing a pretty good job and feel their efforts are not always appreciated enough, but if any really urgent decisions need to be made on moderating, I think it should be on how to deal with the Prince forum. - [Edited 7/23/09 16:38pm] | |
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kimrachell said: http://prince.org/msg/7/314006?&pg=1
a thread like this is scary! That thread was a strong argument for requiring psych evaluations before people are allowed to post in PM&M. Oy  Facebook, I haz it - https://www.facebook.com/Nikster1969
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