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Reply #30 posted 01/13/09 2:29pm

CarrieMpls

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Teacher said:

CarrieMpls said:



Eh, fair enough. You've stated your opinion. I disagree, but then what do you expect, I suppose. I guess I don't understand where you're coming from when I barely have any reports to even respond to and when I do, 9 times out of 10 I agree with what was reported and respond accordingly. I don't see how that means I am burnt out, tainted or biased.


I'll ask you this then; Have the number of reports decreased recently? Cos personally I believe that many members just don't bother reporting things anymore. I know some wouldn't and especially if the comment you have issues with is from a mod, considering that one mod dealt with a report concerning one of their own posts. This just isn't right, and there are more things along the same lines.
I have no grounds for believing the number of reports have gone down, I'm just asking. As for the other thing, that I do have grounds for.


No, I really don't think they have. I've been a mod for a year and a half now and I don't think they've flucutated much at all. Again, there might be a "bad" day or run of days if something's going on, but other than that, it's pretty steady with a couple of reports a day, if that.

As for the other, you're talking about one specific situation recently where a mod was reported. Rest assured, that mod brought in another mod to look at it. We've even all discussed it amongst each other and have agreed that we'll bring another mod in to each situation very transparently so all are aware of the process.
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Reply #31 posted 01/13/09 2:31pm

Teacher

CarrieMpls said:

Teacher said:



I'll ask you this then; Have the number of reports decreased recently? Cos personally I believe that many members just don't bother reporting things anymore. I know some wouldn't and especially if the comment you have issues with is from a mod, considering that one mod dealt with a report concerning one of their own posts. This just isn't right, and there are more things along the same lines.
I have no grounds for believing the number of reports have gone down, I'm just asking. As for the other thing, that I do have grounds for.


No, I really don't think they have. I've been a mod for a year and a half now and I don't think they've flucutated much at all. Again, there might be a "bad" day or run of days if something's going on, but other than that, it's pretty steady with a couple of reports a day, if that.

As for the other, you're talking about one specific situation recently where a mod was reported. Rest assured, that mod brought in another mod to look at it. We've even all discussed it amongst each other and have agreed that we'll bring another mod in to each situation very transparently so all are aware of the process.


Ok, if you say so. The biggest issue, being the unequal treatment of members regardless of who you are, that still stands. I KNOW many people feel this way since they've expressed it in different ways, but unfortunately people are cowards. I don't know why I bother really when nobody but me dares to say - it seems like I'm the only one with a grudge when I hardly have none at all. shrug That's what you get for helping out friends I guess. shrug
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Reply #32 posted 01/13/09 2:32pm

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In all the years I've been a member of this site there's been disharmony over moderation.

Add more mods, take some away, move them around, shake them up and down. It'll make no difference. Someone, somewhere will be unhappy. Guaranteed.

If it got to the point where my enjoyment of the site was impacted by the moderation, I'd ask for a refund and leave.

Until then, I doff my cap to those in-situ and say "thanks" for volunteering your free time and keeping this place ticking over.
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Reply #33 posted 01/13/09 2:34pm

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Reply #34 posted 01/13/09 2:44pm

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i suggest u ban teacher and all the other trouble makers and michael jackass fans and make lives easier 4 the mods

i would then start banning everyone else in alphabetical order
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Reply #35 posted 01/13/09 2:47pm

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Carrie

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Eh, fair enough. You've stated your opinion. I disagree, but then what do you expect, I suppose. I guess I don't understand where you're coming from when I barely have any reports to even respond to and when I do, 9 times out of 10 I agree with what was reported and respond accordingly. I don't see how that means I am burnt out, tainted or biased.


I'll ask you this then; Have the number of reports decreased recently? Cos personally I believe that many members just don't bother reporting things anymore. I know some wouldn't and especially if the comment you have issues with is from a mod, considering that one mod dealt with a report concerning one of their own posts. This just isn't right, and there are more things along the same lines.
I have no grounds for believing the number of reports have gone down, I'm just asking. As for the other thing, that I do have grounds for.

I completely agree and further more it seems that some see to take out personal vendettas against some people who have helped many others here why is this i have seen threads here latly that should be compleatly removed from this site children under 18 come here.. i do not see i 18 or over agreement befor checking in
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Reply #36 posted 01/13/09 2:50pm

Teacher

If the reports of misconduct haven't decreased, then at least the complaints of general conduct concerning mod actions will have increased. I am going out on a limb here and saying this IS true.
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Reply #37 posted 01/13/09 2:57pm

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that is a photo of the current mod lineup on the way to paisley pork

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Reply #38 posted 01/13/09 2:59pm

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Teacher said:

CarrieMpls said:

I'm curious... other than in P&R and Prince: M&M, do people feel there are more mods needed elsewhere? I generally only see a couple of reports a day in the forums I mod for, if that, barring something unusual happening. That means either another mod got to other ones first or there simply aren't many reports. Either way, the reports are being responded to in a fairly timely manner. Certainly not real-time all the time, but within a few hours at the least.

Thoughts?


Honesty here Carrie - the need for more/new mods isn't because the workload is too big for y'all - it's because too many members have issues with the way you do your job. To explain bluntly, the way we feel you do NOT do your job. I don't think I'm going out on a limb saying this, here's hoping that people aren't as pussyfooted as usual, but... regardless of who one is and what we want our experience on this site to be, there are a lot of people who feel that the mods play favourites or the exact opposite - that people are no longer treated equally regarding the site rules. This will enevitably happen for several reasons;
1. We are all humans - we connect with others and mods are definitely not supposed to keep aloof.
2. For the same reasons we connect with some people, with some we just can't.
3. 1&2 put together will mean, unless the mods are superhuman, that the likelihood of them treating everybody equally is slim to none. Seriously, do you expect anybody to treat information from your best friend irl the same as somebody you really dislike? I don't.
4. The current (old) mods have served extremely well, but personally I feel it's time for all of you to retire. In the feelings of too many ordinary members you are all "tainted", for lack of a better word - interpret it as "burned out" or "biased", both are true. Members and mods wear on each other, simple as that.

Here goes nothing, the curse of being honest and not being able to shut the hell up.
To the mods that do, thank you for reading.
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I agree with everything you say here Teacher.

The thing is that everyone need to realize that sites like the Org are like high school. There will always be cliques. The problem is that on a site like the Org, when too many people are left in charge that are aligned more with one of the cliques, the balance is left off kilter and people become dissatisfied and disenchanted. I do not think that Ben, or most of the mods really want anyone to leave, but as long as things are imbalanced then there is a good likelihood that some may. Some may leave, some may just get silent. Some people may say good, but I think those people need to stop and put themselves in the other people's shoes. How would you like to be made to feel unwelcome in a place that is supposed to be a community. If there is hope to a true community, then maybe a new way in selecting mods needs to be considered, as well as a term length assigned. Also, maybe there needs to be a better way of dealing with situations that concern complaints against mods.

And on an off-topic thought, with all the issues the site has been having lately maybe a rule needs to be put in place regarding all of the photowhore threads that take up so much space...really is there any need to quote photos?
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Reply #39 posted 01/13/09 3:03pm

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unique said:

i suggest u ban teacher and all the other trouble makers and michael jackass fans and make lives easier 4 the mods

i would then start banning everyone else in alphabetical order



U would leave before I would brick
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Reply #40 posted 01/13/09 3:07pm

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Vysyons said:

unique said:

i suggest u ban teacher and all the other trouble makers and michael jackass fans and make lives easier 4 the mods

i would then start banning everyone else in alphabetical order



U would leave before I would brick


no, cuz all the mods would get banned first if in alphabetical order, so when the last mod is banned they can't ban any1 else, so i will rain supreme like a top quality chicken burger on diana ross's backstage rider
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Reply #41 posted 01/13/09 3:22pm

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Vysyons said:

Teacher said:



Honesty here Carrie - the need for more/new mods isn't because the workload is too big for y'all - it's because too many members have issues with the way you do your job. To explain bluntly, the way we feel you do NOT do your job. I don't think I'm going out on a limb saying this, here's hoping that people aren't as pussyfooted as usual, but... regardless of who one is and what we want our experience on this site to be, there are a lot of people who feel that the mods play favourites or the exact opposite - that people are no longer treated equally regarding the site rules. This will enevitably happen for several reasons;
[i]1. We are all humans - we connect with others and mods are definitely not supposed to keep aloof.
2. For the same reasons we connect with some people, with some we just can't.
3. 1&2 put together will mean, unless the mods are superhuman, that the likelihood of them treating everybody equally is slim to none. Seriously, do you expect anybody to treat information from your best friend irl the same as somebody you really dislike? I don't.
4. The current (old) mods have served extremely well, but personally I feel it's time for all of you to retire. In the feelings of too many ordinary members you are all "tainted", for lack of a better word - interpret it as "burned out" or "biased", both are true. Members and mods wear on each other, simple as that.[/
i]

Here goes nothing, the curse of being honest and not being able to shut the hell up.
To the mods that do, thank you for reading.




I agree with everything you say here Teacher.

The thing is that everyone need to realize that sites like the Org are like high school. There will always be cliques. The problem is that on a site like the Org, when too many people are left in charge that are aligned more with one of the cliques, the balance is left off kilter and people become dissatisfied and disenchanted. I do not think that Ben, or most of the mods really want anyone to leave, but as long as things are imbalanced then there is a good likelihood that some may. Some may leave, some may just get silent. Some people may say good, but I think those people need to stop and put themselves in the other people's shoes. How would you like to be made to feel unwelcome in a place that is supposed to be a community. If there is hope to a true community, then maybe a new way in selecting mods needs to be considered, as well as a term length assigned. Also, maybe there needs to be a better way of dealing with situations that concern complaints against mods.


On all points I agree.
I have just recently returned to the org after lot of nagging from friends but in all honesty I am thinking about deleting my account again. I was a member since day dot the org started and seen many changes but the past years there has been nothing but battles and cliques and the moderation has certainly not been fair. The org certainly is not what it used to be.
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Reply #42 posted 01/13/09 3:27pm

horatio

unique said:

Vysyons said:




U would leave before I would brick


no, cuz all the mods would get banned first if in alphabetical order, so when the last mod is banned they can't ban any1 else, so i will rain supreme like a top quality chicken burger on diana ross's backstage rider



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Reply #43 posted 01/13/09 4:21pm

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CarrieMpls said:

I'm curious... other than in P&R and Prince: M&M, do people feel there are more mods needed elsewhere? I generally only see a couple of reports a day in the forums I mod for, if that, barring something unusual happening. That means either another mod got to other ones first or there simply aren't many reports. Either way, the reports are being responded to in a fairly timely manner. Certainly not real-time all the time, but within a few hours at the least.

Thoughts?
Yep, in both GD and Non-Prince.
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Reply #44 posted 01/13/09 4:24pm

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Teacher said:

CarrieMpls said:



Eh, fair enough. You've stated your opinion. I disagree, but then what do you expect, I suppose. I guess I don't understand where you're coming from when I barely have any reports to even respond to and when I do, 9 times out of 10 I agree with what was reported and respond accordingly. I don't see how that means I am burnt out, tainted or biased.


I'll ask you this then; Have the number of reports decreased recently? Cos personally I believe that many members just don't bother reporting things anymore. I know some wouldn't and especially if the comment you have issues with is from a mod, considering that one mod dealt with a report concerning one of their own posts. This just isn't right, and there are more things along the same lines.
I have no grounds for believing the number of reports have gone down, I'm just asking. As for the other thing, that I do have grounds for.
I agree with everything you've said on this thread. And, I'm not a coward and have said pretty much the same thing before. I'm not reporting anything or anyone ever again and definitely not reporting a mod because NOTHING happens.
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Reply #45 posted 01/13/09 4:26pm

Vendetta1

CarrieMpls said:

Teacher said:



I'll ask you this then; Have the number of reports decreased recently? Cos personally I believe that many members just don't bother reporting things anymore. I know some wouldn't and especially if the comment you have issues with is from a mod, considering that one mod dealt with a report concerning one of their own posts. This just isn't right, and there are more things along the same lines.
I have no grounds for believing the number of reports have gone down, I'm just asking. As for the other thing, that I do have grounds for.


No, I really don't think they have. I've been a mod for a year and a half now and I don't think they've flucutated much at all. Again, there might be a "bad" day or run of days if something's going on, but other than that, it's pretty steady with a couple of reports a day, if that.

As for the other, you're talking about one specific situation recently where a mod was reported. Rest assured, that mod brought in another mod to look at it. We've even all discussed it amongst each other and have agreed that we'll bring another mod in to each situation very transparently so all are aware of the process.
This part, I know I very much appreciate.
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Reply #46 posted 01/13/09 5:24pm

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So much I could say...

In time...in time.
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Reply #47 posted 01/13/09 5:36pm

Teacher

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So much I could say...

In time...in time.


Then why did you say anything at all? It would be very helpful to hear the input of a moderator who hasn't moderated in about 6 months or so, or more.
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Reply #48 posted 01/13/09 6:11pm

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Teacher said:

sosgemini said:

So much I could say...

In time...in time.


Then why did you say anything at all? It would be very helpful to hear the input of a moderator who hasn't moderated in about 6 months or so, or more.


im not a mod and havent been one for the past six months or so. ...but i will speak my mind when i am ready...thanks for asking.
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Reply #49 posted 01/14/09 11:32pm

Teacher

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Teacher said:



Then why did you say anything at all? It would be very helpful to hear the input of a moderator who hasn't moderated in about 6 months or so, or more.


im not a mod and havent been one for the past six months or so. ...but i will speak my mind when i am ready...thanks for asking.


Your signature is highly ironic. And thanks for letting me know something the site doesn't, since you're still listed as a mod except for next to your name. But then, so's BananaCologne.
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Reply #50 posted 01/15/09 9:43am

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I'm simply going to go on record as agreeing that there needs to be a Moderator shake-up.
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Reply #51 posted 01/15/09 10:24am

Mach

So sweep all the Mods except the new one Mars23 - add new ones ...

how many in each forum ?

how would you go about choosing the new ones ?

what, if any, time limit would you then place on the new Mods before you want those replaced by a new rotation ?

Should there be an equal # between male and female Mods ?
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Reply #52 posted 01/15/09 10:42am

Teacher

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So sweep all the Mods except the new one Mars23 - add new ones ...

how many in each forum ? 3 - two of them on each and every report, and one to decide tiebreakers. It IS a lot of work and I realise that, but in the end it'll yield much less problems.

how would you go about choosing the new ones ? Three parts, the first the same as before where people get nominated or offer to help out, second where mods review their history, and third if they make that cut - a poll among all members. There will never be enough people to knock or crown an enemy or a friend if all members have the option to vote, and if everybody's had their say they can't complain as much.

what, if any, time limit would you then place on the new Mods before you want those replaced by a new rotation ? 6 months, then rotate to a forum they haven't modded before to prevent burnout and to make mods more aware of what's going on in all the forums. P&R would be an exception though, you need to have a genuine interest in the issues there.

Should there be an equal # between male and female Mods ? Not as far as I'm concerned, fair people with their heads screwed on right is enough. Same goes for sexual orientation, I don't care about that. I'm more concerned with time zones - there still aren't any European mods and this leaves a gap at times where are no mods online.


Excellent questions Mach and much appreciated, that the mods are listening means a lot to me (and the other people who won't say for some reason rolleyes )

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Reply #53 posted 01/15/09 10:56am

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Teacher said:

Mach said:

So sweep all the Mods except the new one Mars23 - add new ones ...

how many in each forum ? 3 - two of them on each and every report, and one to decide tiebreakers. It IS a lot of work and I realise that, but in the end it'll yield much less problems.

how would you go about choosing the new ones ? Three parts, the first the same as before where people get nominated or offer to help out, second where mods review their history, and third if they make that cut - a poll among all members. There will never be enough people to knock or crown an enemy or a friend if all members have the option to vote, and if everybody's had their say they can't complain as much.

what, if any, time limit would you then place on the new Mods before you want those replaced by a new rotation ? 6 months, then rotate to a forum they haven't modded before to prevent burnout and to make mods more aware of what's going on in all the forums. P&R would be an exception though, you need to have a genuine interest in the issues there.

Should there be an equal # between male and female Mods ? Not as far as I'm concerned, fair people with their heads screwed on right is enough. Same goes for sexual orientation, I don't care about that. I'm more concerned with time zones - there still aren't any European mods and this leaves a gap at times where are no mods online.


Excellent questions Mach and much appreciated, that the mods are listening means a lot to me (and the other people who won't say for some reason rolleyes )

hug worship

Now tell me who told you we hate each other! falloff

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I think that everything you suggest is on point...I would add emphasis that there should be a good representation of all countries/time zones too.

Thanks for the thread and clear headed thinking Teacher. dancing jig
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Reply #54 posted 01/17/09 11:56am

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Excellent questions Mach and much appreciated, that the mods are listening means a lot to me (and the other people who won't say for some reason rolleyes )

hug worship



I usually always make time to listen
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Reply #55 posted 01/24/09 3:26am

Teacher

All of two mods have bothered looking at this. Two out of a shitload. That alone speaks volumes I think, and don't come with some bullshit of "not everybody visits this forum" cos it's every mods damn obligation to visit this forum - how else would y'all know if people have issues with the sites, or questions?
We have issues. We've expressed them and recieved... pretty much nothing, not counting Mach's and Carrie's posts. Ben didn't even bother saying anything, he did make Mars a mod but that was all.
Damn discouraging, it is.
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Reply #56 posted 01/24/09 9:23am

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Teacher said:

All of two mods have bothered looking at this. Two out of a shitload. That alone speaks volumes I think, and don't come with some bullshit of "not everybody visits this forum" cos it's every mods damn obligation to visit this forum - how else would y'all know if people have issues with the sites, or questions?
We have issues. We've expressed them and recieved... pretty much nothing, not counting Mach's and Carrie's posts. Ben didn't even bother saying anything, he did make Mars a mod but that was all.
Damn discouraging, it is.



I don't think that is quite fair. I happen to check this forum each day and I have read this thread multiple times, looking for suggestions I can act on. You might have noticed a thread in this very forum I made to address one of your concerns from page 1 of this thread.
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Reply #57 posted 01/24/09 1:29pm

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Teacher said:

All of two mods have bothered looking at this. Two out of a shitload. That alone speaks volumes I think, and don't come with some bullshit of "not everybody visits this forum" cos it's every mods damn obligation to visit this forum - how else would y'all know if people have issues with the sites, or questions?
We have issues. We've expressed them and recieved... pretty much nothing, not counting Mach's and Carrie's posts. Ben didn't even bother saying anything, he did make Mars a mod but that was all.
Damn discouraging, it is.

rolleyes

Just because we haven't commented on your thread doesn't mean we didn't read it. I've read it top to bottom several days ago, and have checked it out whenever it was bumped, but... what's to add? You want questions answered? Mach and Carrie did a wonderful job with them? You want more? Do you really want me or another mod to show up and reply to Mach's post with a "nod" so you can tell we looked at it?

hmm
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Reply #58 posted 01/24/09 2:13pm

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Teacher said:

All of two mods have bothered looking at this. Two out of a shitload. That alone speaks volumes I think, and don't come with some bullshit of "not everybody visits this forum" cos it's every mods damn obligation to visit this forum - how else would y'all know if people have issues with the sites, or questions?
We have issues. We've expressed them and recieved... pretty much nothing, not counting Mach's and Carrie's posts. Ben didn't even bother saying anything, he did make Mars a mod but that was all.
Damn discouraging, it is.


Your last suggestion is to have all mods retire. I'm not sure what kind of response you're looking for to that. lol
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Reply #59 posted 01/24/09 5:18pm

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Teacher said:

All of two mods have bothered looking at this. Two out of a shitload. That alone speaks volumes I think, and don't come with some bullshit of "not everybody visits this forum" cos it's every mods damn obligation to visit this forum - how else would y'all know if people have issues with the sites, or questions?
We have issues. We've expressed them and recieved... pretty much nothing, not counting Mach's and Carrie's posts. Ben didn't even bother saying anything, he did make Mars a mod but that was all.
Damn discouraging, it is.


do you even realize what a minor miracle it was to have a brand new p&r mod?! falloff christ! there's already been shake-ups as to the balance of power, i.e. not allowing mods to handle reports of their own comments etc.
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