shanti0608 said:

lascantas said:

I do that all the time.

shanti0608 said:

I have suggested that more then once

that and ...

luv is non american

Mach said:

It would help you out too because of the time difference.

Mach said:

No really

With the greatest respect to the mods and luv....she is way out of her depth. Big time.

shanti0608 said:

There are many valid reasons to add Mods to our staff from all walks of life

Mach said:

She's Canadian. So she is American .

Serious said:

Point taken

Mach said:

Serious said:

This might be true for you, but I do not see it very often from others. I have been involved in threads where Americans are always criticized by people from other countries--which is fine. But I have read very few threads where those same people criticize their own countries with such "passion."

I have not been around very long relatively speaking. And I cannot say that I always agree with the way things are handled. As I said, to be honest some members just seem to have more "power" or influence than others--which is fine, too. This is what happens when people get together regardless of age.

But I do not think the mods are all that bad. They aren't perfect, but they aren't that bad. If you all think it would be fairer to have a non-American mod, this is fine, too. But I just do not think things would change as much as some would like.

I just do not want P&R to be removed. Even as much as I struggle, I like it there. From my experience, people have been very supportive for the most part, and this is not to say there have not been blow-outs. I nearly quit once. But I was so touched the very same people with whom I disagreed wanted me to stay. And I have had very supportive pm's from people--the most surprising people, telling me to hang in there. You have no idea how much this means to me.

I have been involved with other sites.. well I'll tell you: Television Without Pity. There, a person can be banned for a single mistake. I have never been banned though. I was "warned" for asking an innocent question. Also, at TWoP members are not treated very well at all I think. It is set-up where members can tell on each other, and it turns-out as a sort of retribution for having an opposing opinion more than really following "the rules." It reminds me of little children in a school yard. I am not kidding. I very rarely post there anymore because what is the point? I cannot express myself, so why even bother?

Here, at least people can express themselves. I just think we have to be careful in not being disrespectful in the midst of our passion.

But for sure, if people think a non-American mod would make this site even better, I am all for it. I want people to be happy. However, I do think we have to look at the way we say things.. and maybe our own biases, too.
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I think luv4u does a great job, as does mach. I wish we could all just be grown-ups. I have come to the point where I act like I act in real life. I don't respond to people who just bait and argue for the sake of arguing. Or pick apart every little word you say just to make a nonexistent point. I debate and quote and if it turns into a free-for-all I exit. Even my own threads. I rarely "report" anyone.

I just feel the mods have enough to do without lil' ole' me callin' 911 every other day.

some of the folks voting for P&R to leave.. are the same ones who can't have their way in the forum lol

Seems to be a lot of alters and trolls popping up there lately.

I don't see anything wrong with p&r, there's a lot of veiled comments and ad hominem attacks which prevents the argument from being completely vetted, but I'm for loose moderation as oppose to stern moderation.

lilgish said:

Me too, absolutely, as long as it is even handed, which right now it is a long way from being

Flowers2 said:

You know it.

shanti0608 said:

And we are doing our best ( in all forums ) to keep an eye on that as well

lilgish said:

I try to let people speak their minds as freely as I can - unless it's a HUGE




I also feel that sometimes when people have the freedom to speak/vent
( whatever )
it can be a huge insight into that person - both positive and negitive traits show up and people can have a better idea of who the choose to interact with

No one forces anyone here to interact with negitive posters or people that attack/flame bait

sometimes the most powerful tool is to ignore those types

I feel each person that posts has the power to create what they want from this site

Mach said:

shanti0608 said:

If you have a serious concern that there is an alter being used in negitive ways - we would appreciate people. like you ( and everyone ) reporting it so that we can be aware if need be

we vol our time here and can not be on every thread and read every post

Mach said:

Will do.

Mach said:

MuthaFunka said:

Remove P&R for what?

For starters, why can't folks just remember not to feed trolls under any circumstances? When you see a troll, an alter, a baiter or just a plain fool, ignoring the thread is the only way it will die...simple, but no one seems to get it.

Keep the tit for tat going and one becomes just as guilty as the other. Take some personal responsibility and don't let yourself get sucked in all the time.

Learning to stay on topic helps also.

Closing P&R will resolve nothing. The same disruptive individuals would just migrate to other forums. The only thing that can resolve that is a perma-ban. There's no shortage of immaturity in other areas of the site in case anyone hasn't noticed.

Personally if I felt that the org became too annoying I'd just leave because at the end of the day a moderator cannot fundamentally change the character of those who frequent the site.

babynoz said:

pretty much and bottom line..





no, their pride won't allow them to take personal responsibility, they are the match to keep flames rolling.. (and have nerve to complain about others lol)





some want it closed cause they can't run P&R the way they want to lol ..




I'll take this another step further and say.. if they dislike a thread so much, why are they posting in it? no one forced folks to click on threads they don't like or to post in them, they just can't walk away..... CAN'T..

What P&R needs is an Asian American with a fresh perspective , votes democratic, but fucks like a Republican high on cocaine, while on the DL at a Minneapolis public bathroom.

Mach said:

Hell. Fucking. Yeah.

Imago said:

I've got a cousin who fits that bill. I'll see if he's interested.

It is a shame to see trolls and alters have more say in there than veteran orgers.

mcmeekle said:

Oh wait, he's never been to Minneapolis.