one word: Extremists.

Everyone on the org has fringe viewpoints, from libs defending Castro to conservatives defending Hitler.

If someone has been pegged as a liberal they consider they must absolutely support abortion, gay rights, and high taxes.

Same thing for conservatives and other views.

the answer is not being a centrist, but considering each issue and tailoring it to your needs, not listening to what Sean Hannity/Al Franken tells you what to do.

Also, these rules don't strictly apply to the org, but the internet in general.

I wonder why this is

superman said:

i don't think you've been around enough to see the full spectrum of people's view on the pnr forum.

ehuffnsd said:

definitely not.

superman said:

You talkin' to me?

I'm praying for Evo Morales to win the recall vote this week-end.

IMO the problem is not the views the people have but how they express them.

I am extremely offended...


Ha! Not really... I have been in P&R since 2003. It used to be much better. I guess it has its ups and downs.
I never used to be afraid to post on certain threads. Now there are certain ones I don't dare post on.
Back in the day you could disagree with someone on one issue and still be respected as a person.
Not anymore.
sad really.

Serious said:

I agree that most times it is the expression, others also misunderstand each other often as well

Mach said:

shanti0608 said:

I feel you and it is a shame that it is the way it i .

Actually, that is a big problem in America, and we can thank Rush Limbaugh for that. He is the one that implemented the tactic of defining your opponent as an evil, America-hating person. And he spread that message to millions - effectively.

Rush Limbaugh has done more damage to America than Osama bin Laden could ever possibly hope to do.

RodeoSchro said:

Thank you. I do blame the Rush Limbaughs, the Ann Coulters, and the Sean Hannity types for America being like it is now. They set the climate that we are in now.

RodeoSchro said:

Maybe. Ideologues exist everywhere. They always have. They always will. When you provide them with a forum that allows folks to talk AT each other as much as they talk TO each other, then you're going to get a lot of division and extremism.

It happens a lot in election years as well. I've been here for 3 election cycles -- 2 presidential ones -- and I find the lines are more sharply drawn during those times.

But I wouldn't say extremists are the norm. I've been hit from all sides here. I've argued with conservatives and liberals on political and religious issues. Friends and "non-friends" alike. Political and religious issues are often fueled by extremists. Especially at certain times. We're just a reflection of that.

HiinEnkelte said:

You're too young to know any different.

Serious said:

Not really. It's the people themselves. You could express your viewpoint with complete eloquence and full explanations as to why you have come to those conclusions only for someone to shit on it. I actually apologized once for allowing my views on abortion to color the way I refer to the fetus and nobody gave a shit so it's business as ususal

shanti0608 said:

Amen....you wouldn't believe how often I get some joke cracked about my name just because I don't agree with people.

If many of the people on this site disagree with my conclusion, they instantly make a judgement about my condition....very aggrevating.

If I spent a day with many of you (and you didn't know me by seekingtruth), you'd probably be very surprised that I really do love people. I am about 99% sure that we would get along.

The thing is....we all have a chance at being wrong. We are informed by sources. There is no way to verify those sources, so we are all acting on faith.
I believe what I believe, and believe that it is 100% right. I know many of you believe what you believe and believe that to be right....it will always be that way to an extent..The end will be determined by who's source ended up being correct.

RodeoSchro said:

There have been people doing that in America for years, he's just the latest in a long line of them.

BTW @ WWW.NIGHTRANGER.COM


I think Serious is right, it's how people express themselves here. People think that just because this is the interwebz they don't have to use tact or taste which kinda makes the net suck.

In all honesty, I'm just as scared of the liberal extremists as I am of the conservative ones.

superman said:

I don't think everyone has fringe views.
Everyone has opinions.
Some are mainstream and some are fringe
I don't think anyone is monolithically liberal or conservative.
Most are a combination but some people feel/ or are happy to
adjust/ or kowtow to the party line.
Or their church's or others view.
They certainly have that option.
I don't try to change people's views but I will point out
when they are illogical, irrational or factually wrong/or inaccurate.
I don't see it as a problem.
As adults we should be able to agree to disagree.

guitarslinger44 said:

I also think that accountability rests on everyone not JUST the message typer but also the person that reads/misunderstands or even if they don't. You click on a thread by choice, you read by choice, you react by choice and you reply by choice. It also can be a choice to let anothers words make you hold onto some kinds of fear. Intimidation, some may see it as, is only there becuse you allow it to be. Now I am in NO WAY trying to discount peoples feelings or thoughts but there is choice and there is self accountability ( or SHOULD be ) as much as there is blame outside of self

RodeoSchro said:

DON'T CALL ME BOY!

guitarslinger44 said:

You call yourself a "guitarslinger" and yet you dare to mock Night Ranger?!? LMFAO, good one!

Seriously, you (and David, and whoever) aren't old enough to know any better, but it didn't always used to be this way. Openly questioning the other side's patriotism wasn't done until Rush Limbaugh came onto the scene.

He's done more harm to this country than anyone else in history. Those that were engaged in the debate before he came along know I'm right.

RodeoSchro said:

The first person to openly question somebody's patriotism was George Washington, and he was right.

ALL Rush does is say his opinion. Bill Clinton was much more harmful, with his terrorist realeasing and criminal pardoning tendencies.

seekingtruth said:

It is a shame as I said. I do not agree with a lot of things that you say but I would never judge you and think you are a bad person.
There have been ppl in P&R that used to have debates with me up until they knew who I was married to. Now they will not acknowledge me at all. That is a shame, I guess I should look at it as their loss. I could not imagine "hating" someone for who they have sex with, what colour their skin was or what their political or religious views are.
I guess when you are on a website you feel like you can judge someone harshly for those things.
I am sure that most of us would get along just fine if we were sat in a room together.

shanti0608 said:

Babes they just know that they ain't getting it as good as you are

seekingtruth said:

As someone who has made a crack about your name, it's because you do not want to hear anyone else's opinion as refer to people as ignorant A LOT. It's make the username seekingtruth a joke because if people do not agree with YOU, you have something negative to say.

For the most part, I just stay out of this forum lately. Too many know-it-alls, trolls and baiters.

Stymie said:

I feel like the whole of the org is like that right now.

shanti0608 said:

There sure are alot of people looking for a fight or looking for a reason to be "offended" and have people removed from here. Reminds me alot of a thread in P+R right now.

mdiver said:

GD is full of it as well at the moment. Hypocrites and know it alls.
Oh well.....