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Printablemdiver said: ThreadBare said: You're right, 9s. That was exactly my point. I want to reiterate that I think the mods do outstanding work in a thankless job. It's more a matter of seeing examples where people go out of their way to stir up things, particularly concerning race. Fortunately, there are times when Orgers don't let such behavior gain any traction. This post is a point in question Richard. Threadbare has made the ASSUMPTION that the tread he quotes (the one about the bicycle) is some attempt to stir the racism pot when, if you actually read it the jibe was in fact at the ridiculous American political race currently going on where race and association is a major part of the mud slinging going on. Yet, thready then jumped on this as an "attempt to stir the pot" i have said this many times here, if you look hard enough you can see it wherever you wish. Lets look at the alleged posts: I said "if this is anything like the American election then someone will play the race card soon" .....hmmmmm poke at the US election or racist????? Is this being done in the race? Yes it is McMeekle then points out an association issue "I think the green one used to hang about with a motorcycle gang".....so then stirring the race pot or a jibe at the election????? Is association an issue in the election...yes it is I then say "the guy that pumped up the black bike's tyres once said "damn AMerica"" So race stirring or a jibe at the election???? Has association been an issue in the election??? Yes it has. McMeekle then makes a point on wishing to hear the views of a certain bike colour on inner city issues, a political association. I then say "I don't think it matters who we WANT to win, the black one won't be ALLOWED to and the green one is too old. It really does not matter anyway because the Bilderbergers have already decided" So have we seen all over this board people saying that it does not matter who we pick because the "higher ups" decide anyway???? Race based or political? And then the jibes about conspiracy theory continue. So an assumption was made AGAIN that this is in some way an attempt to stir the pot....FFS really, this is what i mean, LOOK OUTSIDE IN TO THE WORLD, lift the vision from seeing what you need to see. Thready i am somewhat disappointed in you for trying that 
[Edited 5/28/08 0:34am] And now I suppose you're going to say that your sig line... "People that quote themselves in their own sig lines are egocentric idiots that need to try and gain attention to their agenda in anyway they can" Copyright Mdiver 2008 ....
....isn't a direct jab and a baiting of 2elijah? Uh-huh. "Let love be your perfect weapon..." ~~Andy Biersack | |
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noimageatall said:[quote] mdiver said: And now I suppose you're going to say that your sig line... "People that quote themselves in their own sig lines are egocentric idiots that need to try and gain attention to their agenda in anyway they can" Copyright Mdiver 2008 ....
....isn't a direct jab and a baiting of 2elijah? Uh-huh. Hang on, after that long post the only thing you can address is my sig?????  Nice try April, i wonder how long it would take before you started addressing me. Perhaps if you wish to discuss a personal issue you have with me then you should take it to org notes.
Do you not understand irony and sarcasm?????And before you continue down that road there are many here that quote themselves and their threads in their sigs.....again...point proved However if it truly offends you then please feel free to orgnote me and i will change it [Edited 5/28/08 1:17am] | |
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mdiver said: noimageatall said: ....
....isn't a direct jab and a baiting of 2elijah? Uh-huh. Nice try April, i wonder how long it would take before you started addressing me.
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noimageatall said: mdiver said: Nice try April, i wonder how long it would take before you started addressing me.
Temporary lapse of sanity. I know better. Won't happen again. Ahhhh the old stab and run. 
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: noimageatall said: I have a solution, but unfortunately it will never happen in my lifetime on this board.  It doesn't involve fire does it? 
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mdiver said: ThreadBare said: You're right, 9s. That was exactly my point. I want to reiterate that I think the mods do outstanding work in a thankless job. It's more a matter of seeing examples where people go out of their way to stir up things, particularly concerning race. Fortunately, there are times when Orgers don't let such behavior gain any traction. This post is a point in question Richard. Threadbare has made the ASSUMPTION that the tread he quotes (the one about the bicycle) is some attempt to stir the racism pot when, if you actually read it the jibe was in fact at the ridiculous American political race currently going on where race and association is a major part of the mud slinging going on. Yet, thready then jumped on this as an "attempt to stir the pot" i have said this many times here, if you look hard enough you can see it wherever you wish. Lets look at the alleged posts: I said "if this is anything like the American election then someone will play the race card soon" .....hmmmmm poke at the US election or racist????? Is this being done in the race? Yes it is McMeekle then points out an association issue "I think the green one used to hang about with a motorcycle gang".....so then stirring the race pot or a jibe at the election????? Is association an issue in the election...yes it is I then say "the guy that pumped up the black bike's tyres once said "damn AMerica"" So race stirring or a jibe at the election???? Has association been an issue in the election??? Yes it has. McMeekle then makes a point on wishing to hear the views of a certain bike colour on inner city issues, a political association. I then say "I don't think it matters who we WANT to win, the black one won't be ALLOWED to and the green one is too old. It really does not matter anyway because the Bilderbergers have already decided" So have we seen all over this board people saying that it does not matter who we pick because the "higher ups" decide anyway???? Race based or political? And then the jibes about conspiracy theory continue. So an assumption was made AGAIN that this is in some way an attempt to stir the pot....FFS really, this is what i mean, LOOK OUTSIDE IN TO THE WORLD, lift the vision from seeing what you need to see. Thready i am somewhat disappointed in you for trying that
You assume the posts I referenced were yours. Had your comments really offended me, I could have reported them. As far as I can tell, you were just making jokes, right? I think you're right: It's all a matter of perception.
At any rate, it's not my job to teach you a lesson or police your comments. So, I own up to my duplicity and apologize. I think you and the rest of us should be able to say what we feel. We're all adults, and this is just a website. [Edited 5/28/08 4:55am] | |
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mdiver said: Threadbare has made the ASSUMPTION that the tread he quotes (the one about the bicycle) is some attempt to stir the racism pot when, if you actually read it the jibe was in fact at the ridiculous American political race currently going on where race and association is a major part of the mud slinging going on. Yet, thready then jumped on this as an "attempt to stir the pot" i have said this many times here, if you look hard enough you can see it wherever you wish.
Lets look at the alleged posts: I said "if this is anything like the American election then someone will play the race card soon" .....hmmmmm poke at the US election or racist????? Is this being done in the race? Yes it is McMeekle then points out an association issue "I think the green one used to hang about with a motorcycle gang".....so then stirring the race pot or a jibe at the election????? Is association an issue in the election...yes it is I then say "the guy that pumped up the black bike's tyres once said "damn AMerica"" So race stirring or a jibe at the election???? Has association been an issue in the election??? Yes it has. McMeekle then makes a point on wishing to hear the views of a certain bike colour on inner city issues, a political association. I then say "I don't think it matters who we WANT to win, the black one won't be ALLOWED to and the green one is too old. It really does not matter anyway because the Bilderbergers have already decided" So have we seen all over this board people saying that it does not matter who we pick because the "higher ups" decide anyway???? Race based or political? And then the jibes about conspiracy theory continue. So an assumption was made AGAIN that this is in some way an attempt to stir the pot....FFS really, this is what i mean, LOOK OUTSIDE IN TO THE WORLD, lift the vision from seeing what you need to see. Thready i am somewhat disappointed in you for trying that
mdiver....mdiver... This was a thread GD...about bicycles...but you wanted to use the thread to poke fun of current American politics/elections where race is playing a huge factor. If you wanted to do so then you could've gone to P&R, not in GD on a thread (supposedly) about bicycles. You understand what I'm saying, and do you understand how Thready and others could perceive that as shit-starting? [Edited 5/28/08 5:58am] I'm sick and tired of the Prince fans being sick and tired of the Prince fans that are sick and tired! | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: I feel that there have been a lot of growing pains with regards to race issues in this forum but I for one am happy to see such active participation by black members who are sharing with the broader P&R audience their world and what makes it go round. Of course this is not to say that all blacks have all the same experiences but there are many experiences that most share and which are unique to the community and I am glad to learn about them. Thanks everyone
 Getting back to the topic at hand and away from individual agendas... Speaking for myself, I appreciate the opportunity to learn new information becauae as you point out, there are differing experiences within the black community itself. Even though I read a lot I always find leads to things I want to know more about. Not only regarding the black community either. 2elijah and Meow have posted some interesting info about Native Americans and Mach's thread about a new trend in Mexican culture for example. It's the exchange of ideas and information that gets me engaged and inasmuch as the above statement encourages that, I thank you for starting this thread Supa. . Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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Adisa said: mdiver said: Threadbare has made the ASSUMPTION that the tread he quotes (the one about the bicycle) is some attempt to stir the racism pot when, if you actually read it the jibe was in fact at the ridiculous American political race currently going on where race and association is a major part of the mud slinging going on. Yet, thready then jumped on this as an "attempt to stir the pot" i have said this many times here, if you look hard enough you can see it wherever you wish.
Lets look at the alleged posts: I said "if this is anything like the American election then someone will play the race card soon" .....hmmmmm poke at the US election or racist????? Is this being done in the race? Yes it is McMeekle then points out an association issue "I think the green one used to hang about with a motorcycle gang".....so then stirring the race pot or a jibe at the election????? Is association an issue in the election...yes it is I then say "the guy that pumped up the black bike's tyres once said "damn AMerica"" So race stirring or a jibe at the election???? Has association been an issue in the election??? Yes it has. McMeekle then makes a point on wishing to hear the views of a certain bike colour on inner city issues, a political association. I then say "I don't think it matters who we WANT to win, the black one won't be ALLOWED to and the green one is too old. It really does not matter anyway because the Bilderbergers have already decided" So have we seen all over this board people saying that it does not matter who we pick because the "higher ups" decide anyway???? Race based or political? And then the jibes about conspiracy theory continue. So an assumption was made AGAIN that this is in some way an attempt to stir the pot....FFS really, this is what i mean, LOOK OUTSIDE IN TO THE WORLD, lift the vision from seeing what you need to see. Thready i am somewhat disappointed in you for trying that
mdiver....mdiver... This was a thread GD...about bicycles...but you wanted to use the thread to poke fun of current American politics/elections where race is playing a huge factor. If you wanted to do so then you could've gone to P&R, not in GD on a thread (supposedly) about bicycles. You understand what I'm saying, and do you understand how Thready and others could perceive that as shit-starting? [Edited 5/28/08 5:58am] Oh do me a favour, life is not lines in the sand and boxes, everything overlaps. Yes i poked fun at US politics and yes i can see how overly sensitive ,see it where they want to people could perceive shit, that does not mean it was there. The thread poked fun at the US political situation, that is it. Nobody reported it so i guess nobody was that offended. | |
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ThreadBare said: mdiver said: This post is a point in question Richard. Threadbare has made the ASSUMPTION that the tread he quotes (the one about the bicycle) is some attempt to stir the racism pot when, if you actually read it the jibe was in fact at the ridiculous American political race currently going on where race and association is a major part of the mud slinging going on. Yet, thready then jumped on this as an "attempt to stir the pot" i have said this many times here, if you look hard enough you can see it wherever you wish. Lets look at the alleged posts: I said "if this is anything like the American election then someone will play the race card soon" .....hmmmmm poke at the US election or racist????? Is this being done in the race? Yes it is McMeekle then points out an association issue "I think the green one used to hang about with a motorcycle gang".....so then stirring the race pot or a jibe at the election????? Is association an issue in the election...yes it is I then say "the guy that pumped up the black bike's tyres once said "damn AMerica"" So race stirring or a jibe at the election???? Has association been an issue in the election??? Yes it has. McMeekle then makes a point on wishing to hear the views of a certain bike colour on inner city issues, a political association. I then say "I don't think it matters who we WANT to win, the black one won't be ALLOWED to and the green one is too old. It really does not matter anyway because the Bilderbergers have already decided" So have we seen all over this board people saying that it does not matter who we pick because the "higher ups" decide anyway???? Race based or political? And then the jibes about conspiracy theory continue. So an assumption was made AGAIN that this is in some way an attempt to stir the pot....FFS really, this is what i mean, LOOK OUTSIDE IN TO THE WORLD, lift the vision from seeing what you need to see. Thready i am somewhat disappointed in you for trying that
You assume the posts I referenced were yours. Had your comments really offended me, I could have reported them. As far as I can tell, you were just making jokes, right? I think you're right: It's all a matter of perception.
At any rate, it's not my job to teach you a lesson or police your comments. So, I own up to my duplicity and apologize. I think you and the rest of us should be able to say what we feel. We're all adults, and this is just a website. [Edited 5/28/08 4:55am] I agree mate, saying how we feel is a right of free will. So why offer that thread up as an example of racial stirring? | |
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mdiver said: Adisa said: mdiver....mdiver... This was a thread GD...about bicycles...but you wanted to use the thread to poke fun of current American politics/elections where race is playing a huge factor. If you wanted to do so then you could've gone to P&R, not in GD on a thread (supposedly) about bicycles. You understand what I'm saying, and do you understand how Thready and others could perceive that as shit-starting? [Edited 5/28/08 5:58am] Oh do me a favour, life is not lines in the sand and boxes, everything overlaps. Yes i poked fun at US politics and yes i can see how overly sensitive ,see it where they want to people could perceive shit, that does not mean it was there. The thread poked fun at the US political situation, that is it. Nobody reported it so i guess nobody was that offended. Gotcha! Thanks.I'm sick and tired of the Prince fans being sick and tired of the Prince fans that are sick and tired! | |
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I am just too fucking outdone. Perhaps the reason some of the racism is allowed to continue here is some of the mods believe we are overly sensitive? That because something said does not offend them so too fucking bad for the rest of us? Is there some barometer that says what should offend me or what shouldn't?
I have tried time and time again to just stay the hell out of it, to not pick sides but I am so fed up. It's bad enough the gay fucking jokes on this site. I am so the fuck out of here Friday. | |
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Stymie said: I am just too fucking outdone. Perhaps the reason some of the racism is allowed to continue here is some of the mods believe we are overly sensitive? That because something said does not offend them so too fucking bad for the rest of us? Is there some barometer that says what should offend me or what shouldn't?
I have tried time and time again to just stay the hell out of it, to not pick sides but I am so fed up. It's bad enough the gay fucking jokes on this site. I am so the fuck out of here Friday. I don't believe you are overly sensitive, in fact you have a very high threshold for these sort of things. I sincerely hope you don't leave and if i have contributed to your feeling i am sorry.  | |
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Stymie said: I am just too fucking outdone. Perhaps the reason some of the racism is allowed to continue here is some of the mods believe we are overly sensitive? That because something said does not offend them so too fucking bad for the rest of us? Is there some barometer that says what should offend me or what shouldn't?
I have tried time and time again to just stay the hell out of it, to not pick sides but I am so fed up. It's bad enough the gay fucking jokes on this site. I am so the fuck out of here Friday. Oh no, Ivy, you are one of the few here who try to be balanced and give me hope that it is possible to not take sides and be friends with people who don't get along at all on the org  .With a very special thank you to Tina: Is hammer already absolute, how much some people verändern...ICH hope is never so I will be! And if, then I hope that I would then have wen in my environment who joins me in the A.... | |
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Serious said: Stymie said: I am just too fucking outdone. Perhaps the reason some of the racism is allowed to continue here is some of the mods believe we are overly sensitive? That because something said does not offend them so too fucking bad for the rest of us? Is there some barometer that says what should offend me or what shouldn't?
I have tried time and time again to just stay the hell out of it, to not pick sides but I am so fed up. It's bad enough the gay fucking jokes on this site. I am so the fuck out of here Friday. Oh no, Ivy, you are one of the few here who try to be balanced and give me hope that it is possible to not take sides and be friends with people who don't get along at all on the org .
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Stymie said: Serious said: Oh no, Ivy, you are one of the few here who try to be balanced and give me hope that it is possible to not take sides and be friends with people who don't get along at all on the org .
The negativity is too much though. I understand  . Will you stop posting in P&R or leave the org all together?With a very special thank you to Tina: Is hammer already absolute, how much some people verändern...ICH hope is never so I will be! And if, then I hope that I would then have wen in my environment who joins me in the A.... | |
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mdiver said: ThreadBare said: You assume the posts I referenced were yours. Had your comments really offended me, I could have reported them. As far as I can tell, you were just making jokes, right? I think you're right: It's all a matter of perception.
At any rate, it's not my job to teach you a lesson or police your comments. So, I own up to my duplicity and apologize. I think you and the rest of us should be able to say what we feel. We're all adults, and this is just a website. [Edited 5/28/08 4:55am] I agree mate, saying how we feel is a right of free will. So why offer that thread up as an example of racial stirring? For the same reason that you felt compelled to defend your unnamed comments -- because it was a valid example. But I love how people on that thread recognized what you were doing and responded accordingly. I think this thread shows a growing consensus for continuing to do more of the same, in such situations. | |
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ThreadBare said: mdiver said: I agree mate, saying how we feel is a right of free will. So why offer that thread up as an example of racial stirring? For the same reason that you felt compelled to defend your unnamed comments -- because it was a valid example. But I love how people on that thread recognized what you were doing and responded accordingly. I think this thread shows a growing consensus for continuing to do more of the same, in such situations. No, what it shows is that the battle lines have been well and truly drawn and that there are many here with an agenda of consistent hatred and a desire to "see" things that are not there.No one on that thread did anything of the sort, in fact i had a couple of orgnotes from European orgers laughing at the jibes, because they saw it was not racial but political.It is so funny to me that in one breath you say it was not offensive and therefore not reportable and yet now you sit with veiled accusations. If you wanna call me a racist Thready then do it. The world is NOT America. The way it is there is NOT the way it is in the rest of this beautiful world. Thank fuck we are not all like that. In fact IF you really find something distasteful then say something to me,if i have said something that you feel is racist then say something to me, i think i will from now on because this is getting to be a joke. I mean, even threads like this some find distasteful from a European standpoint....i mean why single out the black orgers?????In most places in Europe that would not be necessary and indeed may even be viewed as separating black from white, drawing the line based on colour, excluding some based on skin tone. However it appears that for Americans it is fine, it is accepted and in fact necessary because of the way it is there. Do you find the European orgers running around getting all pissy or do you find them trying to understand, just as the comments i made in Europe are seen as Political and not racial and yet here we are again.....the world MUST see it the American way. I really did think more of you Thready but it appears that your mind is made up despite you never once actually trying to understand the man and the heart condition. How terribly Christian of you
It is so interesting to me to watch what is happening here right now. The dynamic took a hit, but it is rising again and what many of us are trying so hard to eradicate will continue.What a shame. The names change but the tactics and insidious accusations for the minions to grab on to continue. The kind of underhand accusations and implications you make are exactly what have driven many from this forum, it seems to be a tactic that is employed to stop debate or at least stop hearing opinions that don't immediately justify ones own feelings. Here we go again.  [Edited 5/29/08 0:47am] | |
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mdiver said: ThreadBare said: For the same reason that you felt compelled to defend your unnamed comments -- because it was a valid example. But I love how people on that thread recognized what you were doing and responded accordingly. I think this thread shows a growing consensus for continuing to do more of the same, in such situations. No, what it shows is that the battle lines have been well and truly drawn and that there are many here with an agenda of consistent hatred and a desire to "see" things that are not there.No one on that thread did anything of the sort, in fact i had a couple of orgnotes from European orgers laughing at the jibes, because they saw it was not racial but political.It is so funny to me that in one breath you say it was not offensive and therefore not reportable and yet now you sit with veiled accusations. If you wanna call me a racist Thready then do it. The world is NOT America. The way it is there is NOT the way it is in the rest of this beautiful world. Thank fuck we are not all like that. In fact IF you really find something distasteful then say something to me,if i have said something that you feel is racist then say something to me, i think i will from now on because this is getting to be a joke. I mean, even threads like this some find distasteful from a European standpoint....i mean why single out the black orgers?????In most places in Europe that would not be necessary and indeed may even be viewed as separating black from white, drawing the line based on colour, excluding some based on skin tone. However it appears that for Americans it is fine, it is accepted and in fact necessary because of the way it is there. Do you find the European orgers running around getting all pissy or do you find them trying to understand, just as the comments i made in Europe are seen as Political and not racial and yet here we are again.....the world MUST see it the American way. I really did think more of you Thready but it appears that your mind is made up despite you never once actually trying to understand the man and the heart condition. How terribly Christian of you
It is so interesting to me to watch what is happening here right now. The dynamic took a hit, but it is rising again and what many of us are trying so hard to eradicate will continue.What a shame. The names change but the tactics and insidious accusations for the minions to grab on to continue. The kind of underhand accusations and implications you make are exactly what have driven many from this forum, it seems to be a tactic that is employed to stop debate or at least stop hearing opinions that don't immediately justify ones own feelings. Here we go again.
[Edited 5/29/08 0:47am] Dude, I finally understand. In your own way, you're really trying to help us: Black Americans who take offense to your jokes are racist and parochial because we think the pain of our experiences outweighs your freedom to tell jokes or even to express the pain of your own valid, real experiences. That (hyper)sensitivity to "edgy" humor demonstrates an unfamiliarity with the mistreatment and pressures faced by non-black, non-American people across the world, as well as an immaturity that probably perpetuates our own problems here in our own country. You may be right.  I'm sorry I disappointed you. I see where I went wrong. You'll have no further issues from me, I assure you. This 'eureka' moment for me is very real.
I want to thank you -- not only for helping us, but for helping us help you to help us further. Seriously, I think your perspective is helping the Org mature. As I've said before, I think you have the right to say whatever you want. How people respond is the key.
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Speaking for myself, I appreciate the opportunity to learn new information becauae as you point out, there are differing experiences within the black community itself. Even though I read a lot I always find leads to things I want to know more about. Not only regarding the black community either.
2elijah and Meow have posted some interesting info about Native Americans and Mach's thread about a new trend in Mexican culture for example. Thank you babynoz, I'm glad you enjoyed it. | |
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ThreadBare said: mdiver said: No, what it shows is that the battle lines have been well and truly drawn and that there are many here with an agenda of consistent hatred and a desire to "see" things that are not there.No one on that thread did anything of the sort, in fact i had a couple of orgnotes from European orgers laughing at the jibes, because they saw it was not racial but political.It is so funny to me that in one breath you say it was not offensive and therefore not reportable and yet now you sit with veiled accusations. If you wanna call me a racist Thready then do it. The world is NOT America. The way it is there is NOT the way it is in the rest of this beautiful world. Thank fuck we are not all like that. In fact IF you really find something distasteful then say something to me,if i have said something that you feel is racist then say something to me, i think i will from now on because this is getting to be a joke. I mean, even threads like this some find distasteful from a European standpoint....i mean why single out the black orgers?????In most places in Europe that would not be necessary and indeed may even be viewed as separating black from white, drawing the line based on colour, excluding some based on skin tone. However it appears that for Americans it is fine, it is accepted and in fact necessary because of the way it is there. Do you find the European orgers running around getting all pissy or do you find them trying to understand, just as the comments i made in Europe are seen as Political and not racial and yet here we are again.....the world MUST see it the American way. I really did think more of you Thready but it appears that your mind is made up despite you never once actually trying to understand the man and the heart condition. How terribly Christian of you
It is so interesting to me to watch what is happening here right now. The dynamic took a hit, but it is rising again and what many of us are trying so hard to eradicate will continue.What a shame. The names change but the tactics and insidious accusations for the minions to grab on to continue. The kind of underhand accusations and implications you make are exactly what have driven many from this forum, it seems to be a tactic that is employed to stop debate or at least stop hearing opinions that don't immediately justify ones own feelings. Here we go again.
[Edited 5/29/08 0:47am] Dude, I finally understand. In your own way, you're really trying to help us: Black Americans who take offense to your jokes are racist and parochial because we think the pain of our experiences outweighs your freedom to tell jokes or even to express the pain of your own valid, real experiences. That (hyper)sensitivity to "edgy" humor demonstrates an unfamiliarity with the mistreatment and pressures faced by non-black, non-American people across the world, as well as an immaturity that probably perpetuates our own problems here in our own country. You may be right. I'm sorry I disappointed you. I see where I went wrong. You'll have no further issues from me, I assure you. This 'eureka' moment for me is very real.
I want to thank you -- not only for helping us, but for helping us help you to help us further. Seriously, I think your perspective is helping the Org mature. As I've said before, I think you have the right to say whatever you want. How people respond is the key.
Have a good day, mayne. I'm sick and tired of the Prince fans being sick and tired of the Prince fans that are sick and tired! | |
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ThreadBare said: mdiver said: No, what it shows is that the battle lines have been well and truly drawn and that there are many here with an agenda of consistent hatred and a desire to "see" things that are not there.No one on that thread did anything of the sort, in fact i had a couple of orgnotes from European orgers laughing at the jibes, because they saw it was not racial but political.It is so funny to me that in one breath you say it was not offensive and therefore not reportable and yet now you sit with veiled accusations. If you wanna call me a racist Thready then do it. The world is NOT America. The way it is there is NOT the way it is in the rest of this beautiful world. Thank fuck we are not all like that. In fact IF you really find something distasteful then say something to me,if i have said something that you feel is racist then say something to me, i think i will from now on because this is getting to be a joke. I mean, even threads like this some find distasteful from a European standpoint....i mean why single out the black orgers?????In most places in Europe that would not be necessary and indeed may even be viewed as separating black from white, drawing the line based on colour, excluding some based on skin tone. However it appears that for Americans it is fine, it is accepted and in fact necessary because of the way it is there. Do you find the European orgers running around getting all pissy or do you find them trying to understand, just as the comments i made in Europe are seen as Political and not racial and yet here we are again.....the world MUST see it the American way. I really did think more of you Thready but it appears that your mind is made up despite you never once actually trying to understand the man and the heart condition. How terribly Christian of you
It is so interesting to me to watch what is happening here right now. The dynamic took a hit, but it is rising again and what many of us are trying so hard to eradicate will continue.What a shame. The names change but the tactics and insidious accusations for the minions to grab on to continue. The kind of underhand accusations and implications you make are exactly what have driven many from this forum, it seems to be a tactic that is employed to stop debate or at least stop hearing opinions that don't immediately justify ones own feelings. Here we go again.
[Edited 5/29/08 0:47am] Dude, I finally understand. In your own way, you're really trying to help us: Black Americans who take offense to your jokes are racist and parochial because we think the pain of our experiences outweighs your freedom to tell jokes or even to express the pain of your own valid, real experiences. That (hyper)sensitivity to "edgy" humor demonstrates an unfamiliarity with the mistreatment and pressures faced by non-black, non-American people across the world, as well as an immaturity that probably perpetuates our own problems here in our own country. You may be right. I'm sorry I disappointed you. I see where I went wrong. You'll have no further issues from me, I assure you. This 'eureka' moment for me is very real.
I want to thank you -- not only for helping us, but for helping us help you to help us further. Seriously, I think your perspective is helping the Org mature. As I've said before, I think you have the right to say whatever you want. How people respond is the key.
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mdiver said: ThreadBare said: Dude, I finally understand. In your own way, you're really trying to help us: Black Americans who take offense to your jokes are racist and parochial because we think the pain of our experiences outweighs your freedom to tell jokes or even to express the pain of your own valid, real experiences. That (hyper)sensitivity to "edgy" humor demonstrates an unfamiliarity with the mistreatment and pressures faced by non-black, non-American people across the world, as well as an immaturity that probably perpetuates our own problems here in our own country. You may be right. I'm sorry I disappointed you. I see where I went wrong. You'll have no further issues from me, I assure you. This 'eureka' moment for me is very real.
I want to thank you -- not only for helping us, but for helping us help you to help us further. Seriously, I think your perspective is helping the Org mature. As I've said before, I think you have the right to say whatever you want. How people respond is the key.
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JasmineFire said: mdiver said: That figures, nothing of substance. plenty of substance if you actually read it.  Nail...meet head..."Let love be your perfect weapon..." ~~Andy Biersack | |
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mdiver said: ThreadBare said: For the same reason that you felt compelled to defend your unnamed comments -- because it was a valid example. But I love how people on that thread recognized what you were doing and responded accordingly. I think this thread shows a growing consensus for continuing to do more of the same, in such situations. No, what it shows is that the battle lines have been well and truly drawn and that there are many here with an agenda of consistent hatred and a desire to "see" things that are not there.No one on that thread did anything of the sort, in fact i had a couple of orgnotes from European orgers laughing at the jibes, because they saw it was not racial but political.It is so funny to me that in one breath you say it was not offensive and therefore not reportable and yet now you sit with veiled accusations. If you wanna call me a racist Thready then do it. The world is NOT America. The way it is there is NOT the way it is in the rest of this beautiful world. Thank fuck we are not all like that. In fact IF you really find something distasteful then say something to me,if i have said something that you feel is racist then say something to me, i think i will from now on because this is getting to be a joke. I mean, even threads like this some find distasteful from a European standpoint....i mean why single out the black orgers?????In most places in Europe that would not be necessary and indeed may even be viewed as separating black from white, drawing the line based on colour, excluding some based on skin tone. However it appears that for Americans it is fine, it is accepted and in fact necessary because of the way it is there. Do you find the European orgers running around getting all pissy or do you find them trying to understand, just as the comments i made in Europe are seen as Political and not racial and yet here we are again.....the world MUST see it the American way. I really did think more of you Thready but it appears that your mind is made up despite you never once actually trying to understand the man and the heart condition. How terribly Christian of you
It is so interesting to me to watch what is happening here right now. The dynamic took a hit, but it is rising again and what many of us are trying so hard to eradicate will continue.What a shame. The names change but the tactics and insidious accusations for the minions to grab on to continue. The kind of underhand accusations and implications you make are exactly what have driven many from this forum, it seems to be a tactic that is employed to stop debate or at least stop hearing opinions that don't immediately justify ones own feelings.Here we go again.
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