Adisa said:

MuthaFunka said:

Sorry...It was the doubrella.

noimageatall said:

What happened to the Oprah/Christian thread?

Adisa said:

It's over in the AMP forum

ouch a fate worse than being deleted. it is moved to site discussion

ehuffnsd said:

Just another example of the Brother-man trying to be kept down by the Other-man.

TheMightyCelestial said:

u are truly the funniest person on the damn site.

Rhondab said:

Rhondab said:

ummm, hasn't there always been an active black community in P&R?

sosgemini said:

Not to the point where we had a real black History month in there

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

yeah but look what we had to go through to have it.

Rhondab said:

Seems like you can't be too "active" though.

Active is awesome, abusive is not

noimageatall said:

Exactly..

Rhondab said:

True, and this year we had some very informative and interesting information on Black History.

mdiver said:

your nerve is unbelievable.

Rhondab said:

I don't agree with a lot of things mdiver says in P&R nor do I agree with the way he says some things on this forum as it just adds to the atmosphere, but IMO he has a point here. Although abusive may be a hard word the black community here often doesn't give whites the impression that their opinion is something they are interested in hearing and value and that's a shame. I don't even think that most do that on purpose, but that's the way they make me and others feel . As I don't think it's fun to discuss with people who give me the impression I better shut up I rarely post here.
[Edited 5/22/08 5:26am]

Serious said:

The intire black community ? I have to dissagree with that - perhaps some do but not the community as a whole. I am white and I feel valued as a person and respected.

To me that's kinda like saying that mdiver and his comments represents all whites in P&R - which we know is not true !

We choose to react to another persons actions and words. I understand that you may feel uncomfortable - to me that's a shame

Mach said:

I sure did not want to say that all blacks here give me that feeling. I am sorry if it came off that way, it was not my intention. That's not the case at all. I said the bolded part in the way I did as for me I often get that feeling as soon as the "they" versus "us" mentality takes place (and that goes in both directions, not just one). And as "we" represents a group I associate it with the word community. So the "community" gives me much more that feeling than the individual blacks. That's why that thread gave me a bit of a bad feeling. Because it reminded me of the "we" versus "us" thing which IMO is one of the main ressons why P&R has become a place where I feel uncomfortable. And it has a lot more to do with personal issues than with different viewpoints or race and that makes it even more sad IMO. Oh well, I wish I could explain in German, it would be so much easier for me .

Serious said:

I understand what you are saying and TY for the clairification. I asked because some may not remember that people from all over the world have different ways of trying to say things. We should never sit in our assumptions of what another person means. I always ask if I am not clear

The "we" versus "us" energy doesn't do anyone any good - anywhere

Mach said:

TY
I sometimes have the impression that posts in P&R are judged more by who they made them than by the content. To a certain degree it's understandable as it may indeed make a difference what background the person has, but I may just miss a very interesting viewpoint if I don't value the other ones opinion because I judge him that way.

mdiver said:

???

Serious said:

If you believe that it has more to do with personal issues then your first statement is null.

I am Rhonda and yes I'm black but what some have ignored is that we (blacks on the org) disagree or even don't get along at times. We (blacks) get accused of this "we" stuff when "WE" didn't create it necessarily. There has always been a black presence in P&R and we have also been outspoken on issues of race. Nothing new in my opinion. So if our presence isn't new, what factors have brought about the negativity in the forum?

I refuse to have the black community on P&R be fewed as divisive when there have been persons who have ACTIVELY and PURPOSELY brought about much of the negativity in P&R.

Rhondab said:

I assume that at least some of the personal issues are a result of the way discussions are done here. I don't know who started it and who reacted to it, but both sides add to it going on.

Sure blacks have different opinions here just as whites do. Every individual is different and that's why I would like to be judged by who I am and not by the colour of my skin. It has become a common thing towards whites here to tell them that they just don't understand because they are white. That implies that I as a white person can't relate to racism and all the ugly things that come with it and probably don't even care and that's just not true and unfair. I am not blind, I see what's going on in the world, I need not be black to be sensitive about issues like that. In RL I have been treated different because of the colour of my skin and I have seen blacks being treated different because of the colour of their skin and when I see that I immediately speak my mind about it.

I never said the "black community" was the only reason for the negativity here. There are white orgers who are guilty of adding to the negativity just as there are blacks. Like I said, it goes both sides. I am totally for being outspoken about issues of race, I just don't agree with how it is done here at times by some people.

Wow.....


It appears it only cuts one way.

Serious said:

In any race conversation on here if you are not black and american then your opinion is null and void

Rhondab said:

Truth always come through.

mdiver said:

This isn't valid at all. A couple of black members may feel this way but to say its how things go, is just wrong. Mach and some others don't have issues with posting their opinions. At the same time, you don't TRY to understand the history of racism in America IS different. So, pot and kettle need to shut up. Goes both ways.

At the same time Mdiver, anyone that doesn't agree with you has been called a Racist including myself. yeah, Active is awesome, abusive is not.

You have ACTIVELY participated in much of the negativity in P&R as you're doing NOW.