luv4u said:

A little organization never hurt anyone. Then for each section, the die-hard fans of that artist could be mods, and could deal with editing and the spam. It might cut back on stress of moderators having to dick with checking up on the various flaming that goes down on the MJ/Madonna threads etc.

P.S.
Dig your avatar!
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Cinnamon234 said:

GOOD response. And summing up how I think about it.

The line in bold says it all. I suppose it just seems alot with all the new albums. Sticky the latest albums (of all major artists) and have a Michael Jackson New Album Speculation sticky and just lock the rest.

luv4u said:

No, he doesn't have a personal site, but there are numerous fansites. I have never seen a separate Prince forum in the MJ fan community, and having an MJ forum here wouldn't make sense either. I love June's idea of an Icon's forum- the Icons seem to be big discussion here and it might ease the flooding of the music section with Madonna, Janet and most importantly, Michael Jackson threads.

You're right- if you created an MJ forum, people would want one for every artist.

HamsterHuey said:

I am not sure a single thread or only one or 2 threads would do the job either. I was a moderator on an MJ forum and we had several threads related to Prince- we merged "general" Prince discussion into one, eg "when's the new album out", or something, but there were several other threads on Prince. I don't agree with just "locking all the others". It might turn some Prince / MJ fans off? There are soooo many Mj threads...

But I am just going on what I see here- Icons seem to be hot subjects on this site.
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marnifrances said:

I remember that Prince thread over at MJNO. That was the biggest thread in the non-MJ section of the board, I think it had like 2000 pages or something lol. I thought the idea of having just one Prince thread was a good idea though and seemed to work out okay. I didn't see anyone complaining.

Cinnamon234 said:

WHat would The Org be without general moaning about almost everything?

Way too many MJ threads. It's OK to have a Thriller 25 thread and maybe a MJ appreciation thread, but now it's too much. I think the MJ threads should be merged and if anyone posts a new one, just lock it.

Cinnamon234 said:

Yeah, but we also had about 5 or 10 others. They weren't as used as much as the general Prince thread, but we had a very popular 200 page (or just massive) thread called "Is Prince Sexy". The other ones were related to other things- we had threads on Prince's movies in the movies section and so forth. That's why I *think* judging on the amount of MJ threads here, one or two MJ threads wouldn't work. But like I said, that's just what I think.
[Edited 2/9/08 4:20am]

I think it's best to just enforce a rule where no more than four or five threads on one artist are allowed on a single page of the forum at any one time. I think the "Icon Forum" is a terrible idea. One of the cool things about this forum is that you can have a thread on Madonna sitting right next to a thread on Erykah Badu or The Clash. An "icon forum" would kill that and create a two-tier system. Awful idea.

Anxiety said:

Well, it certainly is not a good idea and too complicated!

If people want to talk about Michael Jackson, then let them! The MJ threads, most of the times, are the among the busiest threads in the non Prince section... so people obviously are interested!

Having one big thread dealing with various topics sucks ass! That certainly would not be a good idea!

If something has to be done, instead of having one big sticky MJ Thread, it would be nice to have a Icon forum... even though I kinda a agree with Midnight (what is wrong with me?) on this idea though... it would create a two tier system!
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marnifrances said:

i have heard of that thread, apparently it would put the buff threads here to shame

As I'm sure some of you remember, despite being a big MJ fan mself, I've been calling for a MJ sticky for over a year.

I, like many others, have been completely put off coming to the non music forum anymore as its become so closed shop with discussion. There are at least half a dozen MJ threads on the front page every day now. throw in his sister, and the Jacksons and you can add another few daily.

Sure there are a few too many on the likes of Madonna etc, but they are not in the same league in volume.If I want to talk about MJ that much, I go to an MJ site, not a Prince site.

I think a sticky is the only way. If you create an "icons" forum, it will simply get polarized with MJ threads too. Its inevitable. It will effectively become a fan thread within a forum. The shear volume of MJ fanatics that now frequent this site will see the MJ threads push most other icons off the front page before you know it. They are almost doing that in the standard thread already.

We all know that MJ has some fans so fanatical it boarders on obsessiveness, but I think it would be wrong to cater for that sort of fanatisism on a Prince site. Thats the job of MJ sites.

I think the fact that the mods have not addressed it so far is the main reason the problem keeps getting worse. And it will continue to do so. Its obvious the MJ fanatics are not capable of self moderating on here, despite requests, so I think its time the mods returned some sort of balance to the non music thread.

A sticky purely for one Artist is a big consession for any artist on an unrelated site. A Prince site shouldn't have to make special arrangements for any artist, let alone one who isn't actively touring, recording or doing anything of note anymore. Again, thats the job of MJ sites.

All this is coming from someone who is a fairly big MJ fan. The sort of fan who has virtually all studio recordings, most unreleased, and a multiple concert goer. I'm not MJ fan bashing, I am one. But the MJ discussions here are simply killing what was once a diverse forum.

Come on mods, a simple sticky solves the problem. If anyone wants to discuss MJ further go to MJ discussion forums. Then, maybe the Prince - Non Prince music forum will begin to open up again.

It's not that bad, it's just that the MJ threads appear to be among the most popular, causing them to stay on the first page for a longer time. I would suggest a sticky for bigger events like the Thriller 25 year thing, mods locking double or pointless threads, maybe a "MJ - small tidbits you want to share but don't deserve their own thread"-thread, and finally, for some of the haters to leave the threads alone so they don't derail/go on longer than strictly necessary.

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned before, but a lot of people really want a separate Amy Winehouse forum. I get a LOT of orgnotes to that effect.

2the9s said:

I think that she should just concentrate on getting clean & sober.
I don't get any orgnotes to that effect,
but then again,
I don't get any orgnotes period.

TheMightyCelestial said:

Oh,
& please don't pity me for this.
I just pretend that I'm a recovering org-notecaholic,
that all of my fellow orgers love me so much, that they won't send me any, for fear that I might fall off the wagon.

Y'know....
that whole "making lemonade out of life" thing.....

TheMightyCelestial said:

Or is it "on the wagon"?

I think all his threads should go into one, like all the new Janet info and listening parties thats all packed in one. Any news on Michael now should go into the MJ Thriller 25 thread. Also since no one is even sure on the validity of him even recording new stuff, there are so many "rumours" with Michael, it just seems to take up too much space from actual music happenings. And for fans of him every other day is a thread about, who he is rumoured to work with, or rumoured release dates, i think till the man is out there releasing,touring, it all should go into one thread

I visit many forums for different artists I like. And sometimes if there is another popular artists that is somehow tied to the artist they have a sub-forum for that artist.

Like a Marilyn Manson forum I visit. The non-Manson music section had tonnes of NIN discussion. MM and NIN are closely related and it's clear that a lot of MM fans are also NIN fans. So they made a NIN sub-forum.

A lot of Prince fans are also MJ fans. There is way more discussion in this non-Prince music section about MJ than any other artist. So if those who don't like MJ or are just getting sick of all the discussion about him then the best solution IMO would be to make a sub-forum.

Because this is not and MJ forum so the mods don't care if we talked objectively or negatively about him, a lot of MJ fans like that because of MJ forums they can only talked positively or they get banned or suspended. So a lot of MJ fans have started coming here to discuss MJ and told their other MJ fan friends about this place too. So I think an MJ sub-forum would be a good way of keeping those MJ fans happy and those who are sick of the MJ discussion happy.

IMO, it doesn't matter that this is a Prince forum. The admin and mods should be happy that it's extended to now become a general music forum that a lot of people who aren't necessarily big fans of Prince come to discuss music in general. This forum nearly has as many posts as the Prince music & more forum. I think it's a good thing that people are telling other that this is a great place to discuss music in general. It's what I would want if I founded this forum.

So embrace that this has become more than just a Prince forum and make a sub-forum for MJ because it's the only way I can see of keeping both the people who come here to discuss MJ happy and the people who are sick of the MJ discussion happy.

I think its also a pain to people who put up some cool new music threads that the thread is on Page 3, six hours later because there is 16 new Michael Jackson threads, 4 Britney breakdowns and 3 Amy whinehouse crack arrest threads. No disrespect to MJ because i like him, but for a guy that hasnt done any form of music in 7 years for the most part, its alot of subjects, that could be combined to one thread, or a weekly MJ rant thread, and a Britney breakdown thread, and an Amy whinehouse arrest thread.

DarlingDiana said:

Brilliant.

On another level, it might be turning MJ fans onto Prince. Think of the big picture. Suppose some banned MJNO member joined here and hears an orger say, "Yeah "Superfly Sister" sounds like (insert Prince song here.)" That could logically make that newbie orger check it out, and thus becoming a Prince fan for life. Think of the big picture and quit worrying how it will "look" if there is a seperate MJ section.

And if the Madonna fans wanna nag, let them nag. You guys take nagging as part of the mod job anyways. This would just make it less MJ threads to deal with in the main Non music page.

Vanilli said:

this website is an online community for prince fans...it's not a website to promote prince.

sosgemini said:

I have been thinking as well

The P&R forum is going to get swamped more and more ae we near Nov 2008

as for the MJ issue make ONE sticky - I guess


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I would be pissed beyond belief if Michael Jackson gets his own forum on this site. This is not mj.org this is prince.org. I feel somewhat like a hypocrite with this cause I tend to respond to these threads because I used to be a diehard MJ fan. He irks me and I like to voice how he irks me but that should not mean giving him his own forum. There are people on there, that NWO shit, that I believe want to turn the Non Prince section into an MJ spot and that needs to be nipped in the bud NOW.

The best suggestion I can come up with is giving him a sticky. But if you do this, then you'll have to do this with Madonna, Janet and whoever else always gets a 100 post thread. Whatever you do, don't let the Michael Jackson crew win this. It's really getting out of hand. You would never hear of a Prince forum in an MJ fansite would you? I hope my suggestion can help the situation.

sosgemini said:

What an excellent question cause I wonder this myself. Many of those MJ fans and many of the people who go into Non Prince, almost never go into the Prince section or at least post up in there. I hate to say this but damnit I will, why go to a Prince site and NOT talk about Prince? It's your right and I am NOT saying don't come and chat with friends or whatever one does on here but I just don't understand going to a fansite for someone and NEVER discussing the person for who the site is devoted to. Hell there are people who aren't even fans on this site and that puzzles the shit outta me too. Forgive me for going off topic but it really irks me. But back to the MJ fans, I don't why so many are here and never discuss Prince but will slam you with MJ or whoever else you can think of. That's just me and my take on it.
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TheMightyCelestial said:

Didn't I recently send you an Orgnote where I threatened you with physical harm if you didn't change back to your old user name?

Stop frontin'!

purplecam said:

If I'm remembering correclty - and I could very well be wrong - one (or more) MJ forums closed. Then it became like that annoying perfume commercial, "Then you'll tell two friends, and they'll tell two friends, and they'll tell two friends..." Down it spiraled.

I like MJ, but I was being facetious about the forum. I don't wanna see it. There is a rule about multiple topics posted right at the top. Yes, there are multiple Madonna threads too but they're nowhere near as ridiculous as the MJ ones. I started a joke thread about the dude's tube socks, and it became a for real discussion abou this wardrobe.

The idea of creating a sub-forum is not bad...but if so, there would be the need to create a P-Funk/Old Soul sub-forum and a Pop Forum.

I would not like to see a separate MJ forum.

I like Anx's idea of a catch all sticky thread.

purplecam said:

I wasn't aware this was some kind of competition. I think that's kind of silly. Anyway, although I disagree with you at times and don't understand why you constantly talk about Michael since you dislike him so much , I can definitely understand your frustration. I just don't get why some MJ fans aren't getting the fact that they are going overboard with the Michael threads. It also doesn't help when Michael Jackson detractors/haters make several threads about him either because i've seen that happen on here too, but it's become clear to me that MJ fans are mainly the ones doing this.

As for why people who are not Prince fans come on this site, I can see why they would. The non-Prince section is one of the best places to find out about music on the net. A lot of people here are very knowledgeable about music and there are a lot of interesting topics. Now on the flip side, you have Prince fans on this site such as myself that hardly post in the Prince section of the board because they find that section to be filled with too many " purple kool aid drinkers". Sorry, but some over there can be as obsesssive as some MJ fans with their whole "Prince is God and everyone else sucks" attitude, so that's why I hardly post over there. I prefer to post about Prince over at HQ because I think they're more objective over there, but I just happen to think the non-Prince section of the board is great and I like it better than the Prince section.