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Stymie said: June7 said: Teacher: Since you opened this pandora's box... let me say this as a response to your many, many statements in regards to you and moderation: You're full of it. There's one thing we can always count on. When there's an opportunity to voice one's opinion in regards to moderation, I can always guarantee that you'll be on the thread spewing out your same old rhetoric! When there was a thread by ian, THE SAME IAN YOU'RE BASHING NOW, that questioned my posting a thread for each song on the Planet Earth cd, you were GUSHING over missing him as a mod, and thanking him for "speaking on behalf of you", etc! LOL!!! I've looked at your record. Since you've brought it up and are obviously in denial over what you were moderated for, time and again, it was clearly NOT for questioning a mod. Nor was ian "booted"! 
You really need to reevaluate your whole reason for being on this site if you are so unhappy with what goes on here, and with those in charge. It is my opinion that those who complain the loudest on these types of threads almost always have a reason with why they are so angry. More often than not, they have had a decision or two (or three or four or five...  ) against them that they were unhapy with, regardless of the fact that they were in the wrong.
Go on... keep being you. We all know the truth. There are, I am assuming more people on this thread speaking about moderation problems than actually have them. And there are people who speak only behind the scenes for "fear" of retaliation for speaking out. It is not always people who are angry who speak out. I'm not even angry. I'm saddened that people don't feel there is a way to air grievances here AND BE HEARD. I created this thread for this very purpose, and no I don't believe EVERYONE is... I said more often than not... I would put you in the "not" category!  |
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moderatorJune: I'm sorry about this but I have NEVER expressed missing Ian as a mod, I can say that without a doubt. I might have agreed with him on that particular topic but missing his moderation skills? You must have me confused with somebody else. 
I never said I wasn't moderated, I said I didn't recieve a warning. I honestly didn't think a snipped comment was a warning, I thought a warning had to be delivered in person so to speak. If a person makes a comment on a thread and it's snipped without the person recieving an orgnote or email warning there is no guarantee whatsoever that the person in question has even seen the snip, right? To me that's logical but maybe snips do make a warning, in case it would be very valuable to know. Edit: I've been searching my ass off for a while now and I can't find that discussion, if June or anybody else would/could find it for me I'd be very happy. Second edit: I have now orgnoted June and made a promise to him as well as myself: I will never EVER discuss or mention Ian in the context of moderation again. EVER. [Edited 2/7/08 11:39am] | |
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ian who? 
I will love you forever and you will never be forgotten - L.A.F.  | |
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Question. Few of them actually.
Can you have a record and not know about it? Do Snips count towards bans? Do mods encourage people to try and work it out themselves before acting on the issue that is reported? Is it required to act on all complaints? Some people really flip out over the stupidest shit. Can/do mods tell someone when they are clearly being unreasonable and or ridiculous about something they are reporting that truly isn't report worthy? . [Edited 2/7/08 15:42pm] 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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Teacher said: Second edit: I have now orgnoted June and made a promise to him as well as myself: I will never EVER discuss or mention Ian in the context of moderation again. EVER.
I really don't think this is fair. Rules or no rules, mods should not be above reproach. Personally I LOVED Ian. However I feel there were instances where he didn't play fair with some of the moderation he did. I think powerplay crept in there once in a while. I have never reported anyone for anything that has been done/said to me. There has been plenty, trust me. I always handle the business myself but I can attest to the fact that some moderation is not responded to when someone questions WTF is the moderation all about when it really appears to be baseless. . [Edited 2/7/08 16:05pm] 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Teacher said: Second edit: I have now orgnoted June and made a promise to him as well as myself: I will never EVER discuss or mention Ian in the context of moderation again. EVER.
I really don't think this is fair. Rules or no rules, mods should not be above reproach. Personally I LOVED Ian. However I feel there were instances where he didn't play fair with some of the moderation he did. I think powerplay crept in there once in a while. I have never reported anyone for anything that has been done/said to me. There has been plenty, trust me. I always handle the business myself but I can attest to the fact that some moderation is not responded to when someone questions WTF is the moderation all about when it really appears to be baseless. . [Edited 2/7/08 16:05pm] | |
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Stymie said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: I really don't think this is fair. Rules or no rules, mods should not be above reproach. Personally I LOVED Ian. However I feel there were instances where he didn't play fair with some of the moderation he did. I think powerplay crept in there once in a while. I have never reported anyone for anything that has been done/said to me. There has been plenty, trust me. I always handle the business myself but I can attest to the fact that some moderation is not responded to when someone questions WTF is the moderation all about when it really appears to be baseless. . [Edited 2/7/08 16:05pm] Really? I hope this is an isolated case... I don't feel this is true with the majority of the mods. At least, I hope it's not.  |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Question. Few of them actually.
Can you have a record and not know about it? Do Snips count towards bans? Do mods encourage people to try and work it out themselves before acting on the issue that is reported? Is it required to act on all complaints? Some people really flip out over the stupidest shit. Can/do mods tell someone when they are clearly being unreasonable and or ridiculous about something they are reporting that truly isn't report worthy? . [Edited 2/7/08 15:42pm] Good questions. With a very special thank you to Tina: Is hammer already absolute, how much some people verändern...ICH hope is never so I will be! And if, then I hope that I would then have wen in my environment who joins me in the A.... | |
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Can you have a record and not know about it? I would guess it is possible - Mods makes notes on users and it's not always a reoported Mod action
Do mods encourage people to try and work it out themselves before acting on the issue that is reported? I do - strongly Is it required to act on all complaints? NO- unless I am wrong and I could be Can/do mods tell someone when they are clearly being unreasonable and or ridiculous about something they are reporting that truly isn't report worthy? Yes | |
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June7 said: Stymie said: They shouldn't be above reproach, but they are and some take absolute joy in telling you so.
Really? I hope this is an isolated case... I don't feel this is true with the majority of the mods. At least, I hope it's not. 
Look at how nasty some of you get with members. | |
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Stymie said: June7 said: Really? I hope this is an isolated case... I don't feel this is true with the majority of the mods. At least, I hope it's not.
Look at how nasty some of you get with members. It is my intention to always be open to hearing what orgers have to say about me - wether it is a positive or negitive feedback. I think I have tried very hard to listen and take others opinions and work with improving what I agree needs improvement on I am not perfect I make mistakes I am open to hearing I am open to growth  | |
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Mach said: Stymie said: I feel it is the case with the majority of you.
Look at how nasty some of you get with members. It is my intention to always be open to hearing what orgers have to say about me - wether it is a positive or negitive feedback. I think I have tried very hard to listen and take others opinions and work with improving what I agree needs improvement on I am not perfect I make mistakes I am open to hearing I am open to growth | |
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Mach said: Stymie said: I feel it is the case with the majority of you.
Look at how nasty some of you get with members. It is my intention to always be open to hearing what orgers have to say about me - wether it is a positive or negitive feedback. I think I have tried very hard to listen and take others opinions and work with improving what I agree needs improvement on I am not perfect I make mistakes I am open to hearing I am open to growth I could say the exact same thing... And I hope I've never been seen as being "nasty" to anyone. |
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CarrieMpls said: Mach said: It is my intention to always be open to hearing what orgers have to say about me - wether it is a positive or negitive feedback. I think I have tried very hard to listen and take others opinions and work with improving what I agree needs improvement on I am not perfect I make mistakes I am open to hearing I am open to growth I could say the exact same thing... And I hope I've never been seen as being "nasty" to anyone. | |
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Stymie said: CarrieMpls said: I could say the exact same thing... And I hope I've never been seen as being "nasty" to anyone. but i thought it turned you on.  Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: Stymie said: I wasn't speaking of you either. I can't name names cuz well, you know.
but i thought it turned you on. | |
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there was this one time I was warned for flaming someone when the someone who I was supposedly flaming had actually started the altercation and was totally the aggressor in the situation. Sometimes I wonder if that had to do with favortism and almost brought it up to the mod in question but figured it would go nowhere and I would probably just get banned or something.
Sometimes I feel like mods here really have their heads up their butts when it comes to certain things. I do have to say that, for the most part, the mods we have now have their heads up their butts less than some other, older, former mods who shall remain namelss but sometimes shit happens that just rubs me the wrong way and I feel like there is nothing I can really do about it because they are a mod and I'm not. Anyway... that's just my  | |
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Teacher said: June: I'm sorry about this but I have NEVER expressed missing Ian as a mod, I can say that without a doubt. I might have agreed with him on that particular topic but missing his moderation skills? You must have me confused with somebody else.
I never said I wasn't moderated, I said I didn't recieve a warning. I honestly didn't think a snipped comment was a warning, I thought a warning had to be delivered in person so to speak. If a person makes a comment on a thread and it's snipped without the person recieving an orgnote or email warning there is no guarantee whatsoever that the person in question has even seen the snip, right? To me that's logical but maybe snips do make a warning, in case it would be very valuable to know. Edit: I've been searching my ass off for a while now and I can't find that discussion, if June or anybody else would/could find it for me I'd be very happy. Second edit: I have now orgnoted June and made a promise to him as well as myself: I will never EVER discuss or mention Ian in the context of moderation again. EVER. Here's what cool about this site and its orgers. After our exchange of views on this thread, Teacher and I started orgnoting eachother in regards to what was said between us. Nothing ever bad, just explanations of why we had such opposing views. She let me in on a few things, and I did the same. Now, after years of misunderstanding amongst ourselves... and this petty grumbling back and forth between us, I can honestly say that I think Jen is great, and that I have a whole new image of her. Pity it takes something like this to bring about an honest conversation between two individuals. Thanks again, Jen...  Thanks for reaching out. - Thomas |
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Stymie said: June7 said: Really? I hope this is an isolated case... I don't feel this is true with the majority of the mods. At least, I hope it's not.
Look at how nasty some of you get with members. Some don't even answer orgnotes. | |
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hey june, i hope teacher okay'd you sharing your private correspondence. Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: hey june, i hope teacher okay'd you sharing your private correspondence.
Yeah, uh... because by what I shared in my post, you could pretty much tell everything we talked about.
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June7 said: sosgemini said: hey june, i hope teacher okay'd you sharing your private correspondence.
Yeah, uh... because by what I shared in my post, you could pretty much tell everything we talked about.
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gemini13 said: Stymie said: I feel it is the case with the majority of you.
Look at how nasty some of you get with members. Some don't even answer orgnotes. | |
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June7 said: Here's what cool about this site and its orgers. After our exchange of views on this thread, Teacher and I started orgnoting eachother in regards to what was said between us. Nothing ever bad, just explanations of why we had such opposing views. She let me in on a few things, and I did the same.
Now, after years of misunderstanding amongst ourselves... and this petty grumbling back and forth between us, I can honestly say that I think Jen is great, and that I have a whole new image of her. Pity it takes something like this to bring about an honest conversation between two individuals. Thanks again, Jen... Thanks for reaching out. - Thomas And to you, I think we found a new friend each   | |
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sosgemini said: hey june, i hope teacher okay'd you sharing your private correspondence.
Actually I'm somebody who really doesn't give a shit, whatever I say in private I can say in public.   | |
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I need to start paying more attention of what's going on around here.
Not only did I have no idea that this whole Ben-permaban thing was going on, but even more importantly, I still haven't heard the batdick joke. | |
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TheMightyCelestial said: I need to start paying more attention of what's going on around here.
Not only did I have no idea that this whole Ben-permaban thing was going on, but even more importantly, I still haven't heard the batdick joke. Me either  | |
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June7 said: Some people will say, "I was never warned, this is sooo out of the blue" etc. But the truth is, it's never out of the blue. Remember that.
That's a boldface lie I agree with everything Stymie and Teacher have said on here. Ben doesn't respond to anything and neither do most of the mods | |
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Janfriend said: June7 said: Some people will say, "I was never warned, this is sooo out of the blue" etc. But the truth is, it's never out of the blue. Remember that.
That's a boldface lie I agree with everything Stymie and Teacher have said on here. Ben doesn't respond to anything and neither do most of the mods I have heard the same exact thing from quite a few people who have been hit with bans. They can't all independently be making this up. [Edited 2/11/08 19:41pm] 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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Janfriend said: June7 said: Some people will say, "I was never warned, this is sooo out of the blue" etc. But the truth is, it's never out of the blue. Remember that.
That's a boldface lie I agree with everything Stymie and Teacher have said on here. Ben doesn't respond to anything and neither do most of the mods Calling it a boldface lie is awfully dramatic and frankly, wrong. June is sharing his experience. I can't comment on what's gone on before I was a mod, but since I have been I have never seen anyone banned that didn't have a record of previous strikes, warnings and notes on their account. I can only completely agree with what he's said. |
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