statuesqque said:

I believe that a permanent ban is something very harsh. And something like that should be considered carefully and discussed with other mods. One mod does not know everyone, so to get a better view of the person and the reasons to post something that look offensive, it's best to check around with other orgers. Even if the mod thinks he knows the person.
Ben is an important part of this group called the General Discussion. None of us want to see him banned. If he made a mistake, it can easily be edited. Yes, editing all the mistakes out is a lot of work, but that's part of what moderation is all about.
I moderate 3 forums. I've never banned a person. I only deleted their posts. Eventually, every forum exists because of the people in it. permanently banning someone, means one less person in the forum. Every time someone gets banned, is one less. Eventually, who will be left?
I don't think Ben's character here is something strange to the forum. I think he fits here perfectly. He hasn't done anything that others didn't. So please. reconsider banning him. at least the 'permanent' part of it.

ArielB said:

Well said!

ArielB said:

ArielB said:

Nicely said. I honestly think that if the "Perma Ban" wasn't an option in the mod toolbox then we wouldn't have these problems. (That is a comment on policy, NOT on the implementation of that policy by any particular mod.) This doesn't mean that "troublemakers" () would be ignored, there would just be other ways of dealing with things...but give someone a hammer and suddenly everything starts to look like a nail.

That particular hammer just doesn't seem necessary.

It's also unfortunate if this is now in Ben's hands, as there might not be any attention given to the situation for months.

Think of the puppies...

2the9s said:

the PUPPIES!

but yes, i don't understand why we're encouraged to take up complaints with ben when it's well known that he isn't very involved in the day-to-day matters of the org. i mean, he certainly doesn't post here.

also, the link to email mods through their profiles doesn't work for some reason?

2the9s said:

well I can think of one individual you'd feel was rightfully permabanned.....

For such a final solution perhaps it should require 100% mod approval and or simply be left in the hands of Ben.

Muse2NOPharaoh said:

Only because that was an option. I'm saying it shouldn't be an option.

I want to thank June and the mod squad for allowing this thread. I believe it is the first of its kind and it takes some serious spirit and desire for what is right to even bother...

I want to thank my fellow orgers for showing their intellect and heart and not their asssss!!!!!

2the9s said:

So you would have xxxxx back on this site? Throwing out the baby with the bath water a bit here say I !

Muse2NOPharaoh said:

oh hell no...i have let threads about my actions exist within this forum for ages and now you all wanna get all kumbia on our arses because it involved someone from gd verus p&r?

aww hell to the naw!!!

Muse2NOPharaoh said:

There are several people here now I would like to see gone, but that has nothing to do with running a community of this sort successfully.

Actually, SOS is right, he has allowed these kinds of threads several times in the past.

2the9s said:

sosgemini said:

Ok Helllooooo I spend near zero time in P&R... Don't take my praise of the situation to deminish your greatness....In this forum and especially in general it isnt allowed....

If I dont see you soon Ill take that personal.

I agree that permanent banning is not a necessary or even a good option.
When I come here I realize that I'm probably not going to like everything I see and thats fine. I just move on to something else. Only once did I feel the need to report someone that made a very nasty personal remark to another Orger. The post was snipped, apology made and everyone moved on. Not a big deal.
I hope that this banning will be reconsidered.

I think they should've issued him with an ankle bracelet and confined him to, say, the The Marketplace forum for a few weeks. Or one of my threads, which would be like solitary confinement.

REDFEATHERS said:

I agree totally. Grown adults aswell.

Pigs are only good for bacon. If I wrote how I really felt I'd be banned too. Ben, keep in touch with your inevitable alter account. We lubs ya.

Zero stars.

Thanks for the room to discuss this, Mod folks.

IMO, permanent bans don't work. The almost-aforementioned poster who was permanently banned had/has a knack for returning under new accounts. and, even then, is usually almost comical in his obvious baiting threads.

Right or wrong, there have been claims of inconsistency on the part of the Mods here for years. It's a thankless job, always open to criticism and it's volunteer work. Bless your hearts.

However, I like to think of Org perma-banning as the nuclear option, the last resort. In a time when Prince is attacking fan sites with (the threat of) legal action, there's no small irony to permanently banning someone from one of those sites -- despite how tasteless their comment might have been.

There will always be rules, and their application will likely always be questioned. I would only heartily recommend that this ban be a temporary one, and not permanent. Again, do permanent bans accomplish their intent? I'm not so sure.

Thanks.

perma-bans aint going away folks.

i think the only time this sentiment comes up is when someone who is perceived as well liked gets into trouble. however, there are some serious offenders who need to be permanently removed from this site.

now, i'm not an expert on this specific situation but in addition to lobbying for the removal of permanent bans i'd kinda like us to discuss how the community has gotten to the place where individuals feel it's okay to defy or ignore mod requests in the first place...or better yet, why is there such animosity in the p&r forum at the moment?

ThreadBare said:

Of course they don't. When mods like a certain user, ones that have been permabanned for actually doing something to another orger, the mod(s) turns a blind eye. I have brought this up on more than one occassion. In the long run, I have zero problem with that. Just, if one permanently banned orger is allowed to stay, then all should.

What does that poem have to do with Ben's banning?

AnckSuNamun said:

this was originally in GD.