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Printabledarrenj said: SpecialEd said: Like Ben said on the podcast you could change the name of this site because its more of a community than a Prince fansite.
You make the fundumental point in Prince's argument. In general discusion, there are threads about sheep sex and anal sex. Now don't get me wrong, i'm as intregued about sheep as the next bloke, but maybe Prince don't wanna know, and were discussing these topics under his name.  One...this isn't prince's site. Two...prince had his own general discussion type forum on the club. What is Prince paying you not to think on your own.....for real. | |
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pplrain said: SquirrelMeat said: So if we all agree with free speech, who started to to try and stop what someone else thought???? Fams wanting to stop all the "Haters". In other words, people who don't like opinions other than their own. Exactly, my suggestion to rename this site to Anti-Prince.org was not about stopping the haters... look at how quickly they came to jump me and prove that they are "FOR FREE SPEECH" yet want to stifle my right to express it as my perception of the org when I am just agreeing with OP and suggesting a different name for this madhouse (madhouse.org??). I think Prince needs a fansite where his music and artistry is celebrated. The org does not serve it's purpose of being a Prince "FANSITE", more like a Prince hate site, look at all the negative threads and the way Prince is treated here (he is not here to defend himself mind you)... seems to attract people who have hatred for themselves and who just jump at every opportunity to take it out on others. 
[Edited 11/16/07 19:51pm] Remember, he started his own site and even there people still felt they had the RIGHT to disagree with Prince. He couldn't handle it. There is nothing wrong with people criticizing the decisions he's made. To me the Org has always served as a place where you could criticize Prince without the flower, kool-aid drinking children faint from all the so-called negative possessing them. This is why the top three FAN sites have survived is because there's a balance. The Org allows people to openly say when prince is getting on their nerves AND when they love him. I hate the fluff. | |
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tricky99 said: Who killed it? After this whole debacle wouldn't it be better to rename this site something else? I think the remaining participants might be happier and Prince himself would be. Who evers side u are on in this debate (I'm not on either) I think that u have to admit that the so-called mission of Prince.org appears to be obselete.
It seems that a lot of the people who don't want to call Prince names have decided to remove themselves from the site. What appears to be left are a bunch of unhappy ex-prince fans. If Prince was unhappy with the site to begin with I can only assume he really hates it now. Who would want A site around named after them that seems to be more about putting them down than celebriting them? Is that now the point of its existence? Over the years I have felt that Prince was the "goose that laid the golden egg" eventually the greed and obsessivenes of his fans would turn on him. The man can't seem to age gracefully without the so-called fans harping on what he is not as oppsosed to what he still is. Every move he makes, every song he creates is brutilized by some segment of the fan base. It almost like too many of us saw Prince as some God but when he was revealed as just a very talented human being all this anger is thrust at him. The bitterness and nastiness that is exhibited here is really breathtaking. I'm hoping that many of the extremely negative things said here are said by children. Its hard to believe adults can be so down right vicious and petty. Tricky, you created one of the most excitng threads I've ever read on the org. Wow, the stuff I've read here is crazy  [Edited 11/18/07 9:55am] I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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purplecam said: tricky99 said: Who killed it? After this whole debacle wouldn't it be better to rename this site something else? I think the remaining participants might be happier and Prince himself would be. Who evers side u are on in this debate (I'm not on either) I think that u have to admit that the so-called mission of Prince.org appears to be obselete.
It seems that a lot of the people who don't want to call Prince names have decided to remove themselves from the site. What appears to be left are a bunch of unhappy ex-prince fans. If Prince was unhappy with the site to begin with I can only assume he really hates it now. Who would want A site around named after them that seems to be more about putting them down than celebriting them? Is that now the point of its existence? Over the years I have felt that Prince was the "goose that laid the golden egg" eventually the greed and obsessivenes of his fans would turn on him. The man can't seem to age gracefully without the so-called fans harping on what he is not as oppsosed to what he still is. Every move he makes, every song he creates is brutilized by some segment of the fan base. It almost like too many of us saw Prince as some God but when he was revealed as just a very talented human being all this anger is thrust at him. The bitterness and nastiness that is exhibited here is really breathtaking. I'm hoping that many of the extremely negative things said here are said by children. Its hard to believe adults can be so down right vicious and petty. Tricky, you created one of the most excitng threads I've ever read on the org. Wow, the stuff I've read here is crazy
[Edited 11/18/07 9:55am] And the drama of it all makes the cyber wheels go round. ~controversy~ We are all so full of  here | |
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Rhondab said: darrenj said: You make the fundumental point in Prince's argument. In general discusion, there are threads about sheep sex and anal sex. Now don't get me wrong, i'm as intregued about sheep as the next bloke, but maybe Prince don't wanna know, and were discussing these topics under his name. One...this isn't prince's site. Two...prince had his own general discussion type forum on the club. What is Prince paying you not to think on your own.....for real. The bootlegs that these people sent him back in the day, he's handing them back out.  | |
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lazycrockett said: I still can't figure out why all the people that hate this site and want it to close down cause prince wishes it, haven't gone off and created their own website to express their prince lovin views?
Seriously, Just go out and buy Websites For Dummies, and create your own little happy purple playland. The door is that away.> ... because Ben used Prince's name and image to attract his fans here to celebrate Prince the musician. However the site has evolved into something else and does not serve the original purpose now. | |
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darrenj said: SpecialEd said: Like Ben said on the podcast you could change the name of this site because its more of a community than a Prince fansite.
You make the fundumental point in Prince's argument. In general discusion, there are threads about sheep sex and anal sex. Now don't get me wrong, i'm as intregued about sheep as the next bloke, but maybe Prince don't wanna know, and were discussing these topics under his name. Agreed and change the name to whatever they want to and give Prince back his name. It is NOT about FREE SPEECH when all they are doing here is tarnishing his image rather than celebrating his work. Prince is NOT here to defend himself. Thank-you. [Edited 11/18/07 22:04pm] | |
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Imago said: pplrain said: Constructive Criticism is quite different from hate... it can be done in an acceptable manner, non-hateful manner. It is not constructive criticism that I have a problem with... it is the hate in here!
I myself have critiqued Prince's work in many threads.. it is a form of learning.. Hate is not! You're so stupid 
I mean, on another thread you called me a prick, and I didn't even know who the hell you were before then.
talk about gulping the haterade.
[Edited 11/16/07 20:40pm] http://prince.org/msg/7/252114?&pg=2 post #47 in that thread..she's calling someone 'idiot' (cause she felt like it) and literally justified herself in post #53 of why she did it.... that's what they do... talk, dont apply anything they say .. 'do as I say.. not as I do' spirit  .. and then turn around and say 'oh they're stifling meeeee of my right to expresssss' .. riiiight..  ..... oh i forgot post #60 is the icing on the cake [Edited 11/19/07 0:45am] | |
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Flowerz said: Imago said: You're so stupid
I mean, on another thread you called me a prick, and I didn't even know who the hell you were before then.
talk about gulping the haterade.
[Edited 11/16/07 20:40pm] http://prince.org/msg/7/252114?&pg=2 post #47 in that thread..she's calling someone 'idiot' (cause she felt like it) and literally justified herself in post #53 of why she did it.... that's what they do... talk, dont apply anything they say .. 'do as I say.. not as I do' spirit .. and then turn around and say 'oh they're stifling meeeee of my right to expresssss' .. riiiight.. ..... oh i forgot post #60 is the icing on the cake
[Edited 11/19/07 0:45am] Really??
...See #55 http://prince.org/msg/7/252114?&pg=2 now read this: isnt that MY problem? .. why are you taking it personal? it's not 'you' being attacked .. i can understand if u're upset.. but surely you can crawl out of my arse and get a life of your own, can't you? riiiight..!!!!
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pplrain said: darrenj said: You make the fundumental point in Prince's argument. In general discusion, there are threads about sheep sex and anal sex. Now don't get me wrong, i'm as intregued about sheep as the next bloke, but maybe Prince don't wanna know, and were discussing these topics under his name. Agreed and change the name to whatever they want to and give Prince back his name. It is NOT about FREE SPEECH when all they are doing here is tarnishing his image rather than celebrating his work. Prince is NOT here to defend himself. Thank-you. [Edited 11/18/07 22:04pm] In fact thats exactly what it is all about Free speech As Voltaire put it "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." You might not like what some people post here, prince might not like what people post here, but just because you don't like it, it doesn't give anyone the right to stop people saying what they think or feel In the USA, free speech is almost sacrosanct under the first amendment of the constitition Here it is enshrined in a variety of acts of Parliament and in common law Its the most fundamental tenet of a free and democratic society How would you feel if someone started dictating to you where and how you could express yourself? Imagine if politicians adopted the same attitude and placed conditions on where and how they could be criticised? Where do you draw the line? Prince has lived off of publicity, good and bad, for nearly 30 years You cannot all of a sudden after that period of time decide you wish to control everything that comes into the public domain, and what is already in the public domain You cannot abrogate other peoples intellectual property rights If this whole issue had been handled in a more diplomatic way from the start, noone would be arguing about this Legal thuggery gets you nowhere | |
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Markland said: pplrain said: Agreed and change the name to whatever they want to and give Prince back his name. It is NOT about FREE SPEECH when all they are doing here is tarnishing his image rather than celebrating his work. Prince is NOT here to defend himself. Thank-you. [Edited 11/18/07 22:04pm] In fact thats exactly what it is all about Free speech As Voltaire put it "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." You might not like what some people post here, prince might not like what people post here, but just because you don't like it, it doesn't give anyone the right to stop people saying what they think or feel In the USA, free speech is almost sacrosanct under the first amendment of the constitition Here it is enshrined in a variety of acts of Parliament and in common law Its the most fundamental tenet of a free and democratic society How would you feel if someone started dictating to you where and how you could express yourself? Imagine if politicians adopted the same attitude and placed conditions on where and how they could be criticised? Where do you draw the line? Prince has lived off of publicity, good and bad, for nearly 30 years You cannot all of a sudden after that period of time decide you wish to control everything that comes into the public domain, and what is already in the public domain You cannot abrogate other peoples intellectual property rights If this whole issue had been handled in a more diplomatic way from the start, noone would be arguing about this Legal thuggery gets you nowhere Thank you for your FREE SPEECH definition, now read what I have to say. I am married to an American and have lived in the USA long enough to know what free speech is. However I see something wrong about calling this site a Prince fan site and thus attracting his fans here only to see Prince being viciously attacked in the forums by non fans and ex-fans who despise him and his music. They also attack his fans / fams and ridicule them on their liking Prince and his music. If I love his music, why am I not allowed to discuss it freely. Read the posts within this thread to see how it is done...
Ben created this site using his name and image to celebrate his music and accomplishments. It has done its job and now has morphed into something else..a Prince hate site if you will. You don't want to see it, but I do and his fans do. That is why there is a rebellion and Prince wants to close it. I for one have no interest in visiting any other forums other than Concert and PMM.... It does very little of appreciating his music more of the hating and attacking on his fans. I myself have been subjected to it. If it is free speech as you say... then why gang up and attack me for what I have to say... Everyone has a right? Correct? Or is the Free Speech only for the Non-fans and Ex-fans? Prince has rights as well.. doesn't he? Do you think it is fair? [Edited 11/19/07 4:16am] | |
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pplrain...Anx & Imago you guy's rock, I just spent my luncheon guffawing and almost wetting myself reading this thread.....
I NEED MORE One minute they want peace……
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pplrain said: Markland said: In fact thats exactly what it is all about Free speech As Voltaire put it "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." You might not like what some people post here, prince might not like what people post here, but just because you don't like it, it doesn't give anyone the right to stop people saying what they think or feel In the USA, free speech is almost sacrosanct under the first amendment of the constitition Here it is enshrined in a variety of acts of Parliament and in common law Its the most fundamental tenet of a free and democratic society How would you feel if someone started dictating to you where and how you could express yourself? Imagine if politicians adopted the same attitude and placed conditions on where and how they could be criticised? Where do you draw the line? Prince has lived off of publicity, good and bad, for nearly 30 years You cannot all of a sudden after that period of time decide you wish to control everything that comes into the public domain, and what is already in the public domain You cannot abrogate other peoples intellectual property rights If this whole issue had been handled in a more diplomatic way from the start, noone would be arguing about this Legal thuggery gets you nowhere Thank you for your FREE SPEECH definition, now read what I have to say. I am married to an American and have lived in the USA long enough to know what free speech is. However I see something wrong about calling this site a Prince fan site and thus attracting his fans here only to see Prince being viciously attacked in the forums by non fans and ex-fans who despise him and his music. They also attack his fans / fams and ridicule them on their liking Prince and his music. If I love his music, why am I not allowed to discuss it freely. Read the posts within this thread to see how it is done...
Ben created this site using his name and image to celebrate his music and accomplishments. It has done its job and now has morphed into something else..a Prince hate site if you will. You don't want to see it, but I do and his fans do. That is why there is a rebellion and Prince wants to close it. I for one have no interest in visiting any other forums other than Concert and PMM.... It does very little of appreciating his music more of the hating and attacking on his fans. I myself have been subjected to it. If it is free speech as you say... then why gang up and attack me for what I have to say... Everyone has a right? Correct? Or is the Free Speech only for the Non-fans and Ex-fans? Prince has rights as well.. doesn't he? Do you think it is fair?
[Edited 11/19/07 4:16am] For some reason the .org site keeps eating my words! Firstly I have never "ganged up" on you nor tried to deny you freedom of speech Quite the opposite If you feel, I have please show me where, I would be more than interested to see it Secondly, you vociferously defend your right to exercise freedom of speech and yet at the same time advocate the closure of this site thus denying others the very same right Where is the logic in that? You state prince is trying to close the site, isnt that denying people free speech and a forum to exercise that freedom? I also believe you are confusing two issues here, being a fan of the music and being a fan of the man You can be a fan of an artists musical genius, as I am, without being a fan of the person Some of the most fantastic pieces of music throughout history have been composed by complete douchebags Wagner was a raving anti semite and yet composed great music Does being a fan mean you have to like the man as well as the music? Of course not I've had a good look through this site and the majority of negative posts about prince are about him as a person and his actions that have affected fans detrimentally, and are limited to a few threads The overwhelming majority of threads on this site are positive about prince as an artist I also believe some of the posts on here are deliberately being placed to give a false impression of this site and to be deliberately divisive and inflammatory You ask the question "prince has rights doesnt he?" Yes he does, and so does everyone else I have not seen anyone state he cant enforce his rights either The problem is his "representatives" are now infringing other peoples A point you singularly fail to address in your posts You cannot advocate rights for one and not rights for all | |
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pplrain said: Markland said: In fact thats exactly what it is all about Free speech As Voltaire put it "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." You might not like what some people post here, prince might not like what people post here, but just because you don't like it, it doesn't give anyone the right to stop people saying what they think or feel In the USA, free speech is almost sacrosanct under the first amendment of the constitition Here it is enshrined in a variety of acts of Parliament and in common law Its the most fundamental tenet of a free and democratic society How would you feel if someone started dictating to you where and how you could express yourself? Imagine if politicians adopted the same attitude and placed conditions on where and how they could be criticised? Where do you draw the line? Prince has lived off of publicity, good and bad, for nearly 30 years You cannot all of a sudden after that period of time decide you wish to control everything that comes into the public domain, and what is already in the public domain You cannot abrogate other peoples intellectual property rights If this whole issue had been handled in a more diplomatic way from the start, noone would be arguing about this Legal thuggery gets you nowhere Thank you for your FREE SPEECH definition, now read what I have to say. I am married to an American and have lived in the USA long enough to know what free speech is. However I see something wrong about calling this site a Prince fan site and thus attracting his fans here only to see Prince being viciously attacked in the forums by non fans and ex-fans who despise him and his music. They also attack his fans / fams and ridicule them on their liking Prince and his music. If I love his music, why am I not allowed to discuss it freely. Read the posts within this thread to see how it is done...
Ben created this site using his name and image to celebrate his music and accomplishments. It has done its job and now has morphed into something else..a Prince hate site if you will. You don't want to see it, but I do and his fans do. That is why there is a rebellion and Prince wants to close it. I for one have no interest in visiting any other forums other than Concert and PMM.... It does very little of appreciating his music more of the hating and attacking on his fans. I myself have been subjected to it. If it is free speech as you say... then why gang up and attack me for what I have to say... Everyone has a right? Correct? Or is the Free Speech only for the Non-fans and Ex-fans? Prince has rights as well.. doesn't he? Do you think it is fair?
[Edited 11/19/07 4:16am] Thanks for finally answering MY question. I KNEW you weren't born here in the US, otherwise you'd understand how important the first fucking amendment is.  | |
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Damn, how did i miss this thread? I think pplrain has found her mission in life, which is kinda cute... Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: Damn, how did i miss this thread? I think pplrain has found her mission in life, which is kinda cute...
I cant believe this one snuck past ya! | |
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pplrain said: Really??
...See #55 http://prince.org/msg/7/252114?&pg=2 now read this: isnt that MY problem? .. why are you taking it personal? it's not 'you' being attacked .. i can understand if u're upset.. but surely you can crawl out of my arse and get a life of your own, can't you? riiiight..!!!! how
[Edited 11/19/07 4:07am] your post makes no sense (as usual) .. you sit online making it your mission to defend a man who doesnt even know you exist... so who really needs to get a life? .. sitting here trying to tell folks how WRONG they are.. and you're sitting here doing the same crap .. ... tough if you dont like ppl calling you out.. you did it to yourself.... | |
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Markland: pplrain wouldn't know who Voltaire was if he haunted her nightly for 20 years, you're spreading pearls before the swine.  | |
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Teacher said: Markland: pplrain wouldn't know who Voltaire was if he haunted her nightly for 20 years, you're spreading pearls before the swine.
Maybe he will haunt her | |
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the gentlemen who decided upon the first admendment were on crack. Naw.... but they did wear wigs. How can we follow the rules of wig wearing men? I don't know, but it seems kinda funny. If my dad came home wearing a wig I'd kick the s**t outa him and take his money.
Any way, what were we talking about? We are all so full of here | |
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hollywooddove said: the gentlemen who decided upon the first admendment were on crack. Naw.... but they did wear wigs. How can we follow the rules of wig wearing men? I don't know, but it seems kinda funny. If my dad came home wearing a wig I'd kick the s**t outa him and take his money.
Any way, what were we talking about? Now THAT was funny! | |
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hollywooddove said: the gentlemen who decided upon the first admendment were on crack. Naw.... but they did wear wigs. How can we follow the rules of wig wearing men? I don't know, but it seems kinda funny. If my dad came home wearing a wig I'd kick the s**t outa him and take his money.
Any way, what were we talking about? you have a point! let's all follow the rules of a man who wears makeup and high heels instead! | |
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Anxiety said: hollywooddove said: the gentlemen who decided upon the first admendment were on crack. Naw.... but they did wear wigs. How can we follow the rules of wig wearing men? I don't know, but it seems kinda funny. If my dad came home wearing a wig I'd kick the s**t outa him and take his money.
Any way, what were we talking about? you have a point! let's all follow the rules of a man who wears makeup and high heels instead! And a wig! Oops..... | |
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Markland said: Anxiety said: you have a point! let's all follow the rules of a man who wears makeup and high heels instead! And a wig! Oops..... toupee. don't exaggerate. 
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Anxiety said: Markland said: And a wig! Oops..... toupee. don't exaggerate.
toupee or not toupee, that is the question..... | |
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Teacher said: Markland: pplrain wouldn't know who Voltaire was if he haunted her nightly for 20 years, you're spreading pearls before the swine.
For a teacher  you do assume a lot... I speak 5 languages fluently and French is one of them..[Edited 11/19/07 19:32pm] | |
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Markland said: Anxiety said: toupee. don't exaggerate.
toupee or not toupee, that is the question..... BOO! | |
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