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Thread started 11/09/07 8:25am

lottielooloo19
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NME AEG statement

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Reply #1 posted 11/09/07 8:29am

horatio

smile
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Reply #2 posted 11/09/07 8:29am

darrenj

lottielooloo1968 said:

http://www.nme.com/news/prince/32426


Whats the truth?
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Reply #3 posted 11/09/07 8:30am

SzeSze

Not sure I agree with all of that???
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Reply #4 posted 11/09/07 8:31am

darrenj

SzeSze said:

Not sure I agree with all of that???


Can we have a MOD perspective?

So we may resolve this quickly.

[Edited 11/9/07 8:34am]
[Edited 11/9/07 8:35am]
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Reply #5 posted 11/09/07 8:36am

Anxiety

darrenj said:

SzeSze said:

Not sure I agree with all of that???


Can we have a MOD perspective?

So we may resolve this quickly.

[Edited 11/9/07 8:34am]
[Edited 11/9/07 8:35am]


i don't think my opinion on the matter is gonna resolve anything quickly, no matter what anyone thinks. lol

how about i move it to the site discussion forum and feature it on the main page instead? biggrin
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Reply #6 posted 11/09/07 8:39am

darrenj

Anxiety said:

darrenj said:



Can we have a MOD perspective?

So we may resolve this quickly.

[Edited 11/9/07 8:34am]
[Edited 11/9/07 8:35am]


i don't think my opinion on the matter is gonna resolve anything quickly, no matter what anyone thinks. lol

how about i move it to the site discussion forum and feature it on the main page instead? biggrin


Shifty!

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Reply #7 posted 11/09/07 8:47am

horatio

ooo, its much more cozy over here.


razz
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Reply #8 posted 11/09/07 8:48am

Anxiety

horatio said:

ooo, its much more cozy over here.


razz
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don't spill any faygo on our nice davenports, y'hear?
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Reply #9 posted 11/09/07 8:50am

horatio

Anxiety said:

horatio said:

ooo, its much more cozy over here.


razz
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don't spill any faygo on our nice davenports, y'hear?



spit
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Reply #10 posted 11/09/07 8:52am

darrenj

I like the bit about Prince fans coming out in support.

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Reply #11 posted 11/09/07 8:54am

govinda

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So it wasn`t that serious after all!
I`m glad that it`s resolved...or maybe people on here wants to carry on the big drama!
"Goodness will guide us if Love is inside us"
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Reply #12 posted 11/09/07 8:55am

Anxiety

The following just appeared in my mailbox (in the form of a link to a PrinceFams item):


Many members and visitors will doubtless have seen the wildly inaccurate statement today by AEG that "Prince is not suing his fans" and referring to the Prince Fans United sites as "phoney".

Not only is this statement confusing, libellous and misleading, we have actually been informed by Prince's representatives that his PR company (Outside PR) sent this in error last night and it has been picked up by a few key media organisations today.

We will shortly be issuing a (heavily) revised joint statement, however in the meantime please be aware that stories circulating on the internet that refers to "phoney" fan websites are wildly inaccurate and should not be taken at face value.

Outside PR have assured us that every measure is currently being taken to withdraw these articles..



As a result, I've taken this item off the news page until we get more accurate info.
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Reply #13 posted 11/09/07 9:01am

Markland

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The thing that flies in the face of that statement was specifically the threat by web sheriff to go to court over the princefansunited.com website

"Our clients consider the above statements to be both factually incorrect and misleading and, in all of the circumstances, we would ask you to immediately remove the Libellous Site (as containing the Libellous Statements or anything else that could constitute a libel and / or a malicious falsehood in respect of our clients) : this is particularly urgent, as we gather that your site is about to be publicly launched to the world’s media by means of a press-release and, if this were to happen, the scope for damage to our clients’ reputations (and, equally, the scope for compensatory damages to our clients) would be very significantly increased. Should you fail to comply with our clients’ reasonable request (as contained herein) and, therefore, should you continue to publish the Libellous Statements on a joint and several basis, we would kindly ask you to provide us with the names and addresses of your lawyers in Holland, the United States, the United Kingdom, France and Germany, for the purposes of dealing with the appropriate legal actions that shall follow against the officers of your site personally."

That looks like a threat to sue over words NOT images or copyright

Now compare this to the press release today;

"Prince is not suing his fans, is not looking to penalise fans and nor is he looking to or inhibiting freedom of speech in any way. In fact, he is simply looking to provide Prince fans with exclusive music and images entirely free of charge, and bypassing unofficial and unauthorised phoney fan sites that exploit both consumers and artists.

"The action taken earlier this week was not to shut down fansites, or control comment in any way. The issue was simply to do with in regards to copyright and trademark of images and only images, and no lawsuits have been filed.

In fact, he is simply looking to provide Prince fans with exclusive music and images entirely free of charge,"

How on earth can both statements be true?
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Reply #14 posted 11/09/07 9:02am

Markland

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Can you paste the link please Anxiety?
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Reply #15 posted 11/09/07 9:03am

Anxiety

for more clarification, check out this thread on princefams.com:

http://www.princefams.com...irculating
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Reply #16 posted 11/09/07 9:03am

darrenj

govinda said:

So it wasn`t that serious after all!
I`m glad that it`s resolved...or maybe people on here wants to carry on the big drama!


If it's over it's over!

Back to the music.

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Reply #17 posted 11/09/07 9:03am

Anxiety

Markland said:

Can you paste the link pleasae Anxiety?


whoops, heh, just did. great minds...
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Reply #18 posted 11/09/07 9:09am

Markland

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PR companies don't just draft up final releases like that unless someone has told them to

Someone might have pushed the "send" button by accident or prematurely but that press release was formulated for a reason and gives an insight into the mindset of some of the people involved in this drama and the contempt with which they view these websites
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Reply #19 posted 11/09/07 9:09am

Anxiety

Anxiety said:

Markland said:

Can you paste the link pleasae Anxiety?


whoops, heh, just did. great minds...


the update/clarification blurb is now on the PFU site as well.
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Reply #20 posted 11/09/07 9:13am

Mach

Anxiety said:

horatio said:

ooo, its much more cozy over here.


razz
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don't spill any faygo on our nice davenports, y'hear?



Redpop woot!
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Reply #21 posted 11/09/07 9:36am

m3taverse

I thought Ben and this site were a part of this... how is this blurb not yet on the homepage, I don't get it.
Same thing with yesterday's song ... the org is linking to someone's myspace page while it's on pfu.com? Weird.
"this especially prepared potato is called pomme de terre"
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Reply #22 posted 11/09/07 9:40am

Anxiety

m3taverse said:

I thought Ben and this site were a part of this... how is this blurb not yet on the homepage, I don't get it.
Same thing with yesterday's song ... the org is linking to someone's myspace page while it's on pfu.com? Weird.


the NME story WAS on the homepage earlier today.

then i was alerted to the fact that the article was erroneous (not NME's fault but apparently AEG's misdoing), and i was alerted to this information:

http://www.princefams.com...irculating

this update is also available at www.princefansunited.com

as for what we link to, if it is relevant and it is newsworthy, we will link to is as a matter of reference for our users. that's fair and has yet to be a bone of contention. so it is what it is.
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Reply #23 posted 11/09/07 10:19am

2the9s

Markland said:

The thing that flies in the face of that statement was specifically the threat by web sheriff to go to court over the princefansunited.com website

"Our clients consider the above statements to be both factually incorrect and misleading and, in all of the circumstances, we would ask you to immediately remove the Libellous Site (as containing the Libellous Statements or anything else that could constitute a libel and / or a malicious falsehood in respect of our clients) : this is particularly urgent, as we gather that your site is about to be publicly launched to the world’s media by means of a press-release and, if this were to happen, the scope for damage to our clients’ reputations (and, equally, the scope for compensatory damages to our clients) would be very significantly increased. Should you fail to comply with our clients’ reasonable request (as contained herein) and, therefore, should you continue to publish the Libellous Statements on a joint and several basis, we would kindly ask you to provide us with the names and addresses of your lawyers in Holland, the United States, the United Kingdom, France and Germany, for the purposes of dealing with the appropriate legal actions that shall follow against the officers of your site personally."

That looks like a threat to sue over words NOT images or copyright

Now compare this to the press release today;

"Prince is not suing his fans, is not looking to penalise fans and nor is he looking to or inhibiting freedom of speech in any way. In fact, he is simply looking to provide Prince fans with exclusive music and images entirely free of charge, and bypassing unofficial and unauthorised phoney fan sites that exploit both consumers and artists.

"The action taken earlier this week was not to shut down fansites, or control comment in any way. The issue was simply to do with in regards to copyright and trademark of images and only images, and no lawsuits have been filed.

In fact, he is simply looking to provide Prince fans with exclusive music and images entirely free of charge,"

How on earth can both statements be true?


Because the first one you posted (the claim against PFU) is about words and the second you cite (the original claim against the individual sites and their galeries and such) is about images.

These are two different things.
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Reply #24 posted 11/12/07 5:49pm

Markland

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2the9s said:

Markland said:

The thing that flies in the face of that statement was specifically the threat by web sheriff to go to court over the princefansunited.com website

"Our clients consider the above statements to be both factually incorrect and misleading and, in all of the circumstances, we would ask you to immediately remove the Libellous Site (as containing the Libellous Statements or anything else that could constitute a libel and / or a malicious falsehood in respect of our clients) : this is particularly urgent, as we gather that your site is about to be publicly launched to the world’s media by means of a press-release and, if this were to happen, the scope for damage to our clients’ reputations (and, equally, the scope for compensatory damages to our clients) would be very significantly increased. Should you fail to comply with our clients’ reasonable request (as contained herein) and, therefore, should you continue to publish the Libellous Statements on a joint and several basis, we would kindly ask you to provide us with the names and addresses of your lawyers in Holland, the United States, the United Kingdom, France and Germany, for the purposes of dealing with the appropriate legal actions that shall follow against the officers of your site personally."

That looks like a threat to sue over words NOT images or copyright

Now compare this to the press release today;

"Prince is not suing his fans, is not looking to penalise fans and nor is he looking to or inhibiting freedom of speech in any way. In fact, he is simply looking to provide Prince fans with exclusive music and images entirely free of charge, and bypassing unofficial and unauthorised phoney fan sites that exploit both consumers and artists.

"The action taken earlier this week was not to shut down fansites, or control comment in any way. The issue was simply to do with in regards to copyright and trademark of images and only images, and no lawsuits have been filed.

In fact, he is simply looking to provide Prince fans with exclusive music and images entirely free of charge,"

How on earth can both statements be true?


Because the first one you posted (the claim against PFU) is about words and the second you cite (the original claim against the individual sites and their galeries and such) is about images.

These are two different things.


I meant on the one hand they are saying they are not after closing any fan sites down and yet on the other hand they specifically demand that princefansunited be closed down

Both statements cannot be true
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