I agree

It's kinda hard to convince people that we're not the thought police/power tripping/whatever when a moderator moderates stuff directed at them.

Yep

Who moderates the mods when a 'standard' Orger has an issue they want to raise with them and dont get an appropriate response?

i agree...but for the record i was not involved in the conversation that was occurring between gemini and najee...if it was my part of the conversation i would (and have in th past) allowed other mods to intervene. and see gemini's above post to see the tone of her comments (and najee's) for part of the reason why i snipped their tit for tat.

however see my post above you did call me a name whether joking or not. if you are going to be a mod, you should also be an example.

wait a minute, you eluded to me being blind so i started my comment by refering to you as lil ray charles...it was an attempt at lightening to conversation because you were obviously frustrated...how is that name calling...it wasn't derogative or mean spirited...it was a play on your own attempt to judge me.

good grief.
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i'm sorry no, that doesn't cut it.

Sorry, just being as honest as I possibly can. Maybe your new job is rubbing off on you without you even noticing? I've seen a marked change in you, a smug, condescending attitude that causes you to be insulting toward others with little provocation.

Okay, I just read the whole fucking thread! It took me over thirty minutes! Someone owes me thirty minutes of my life back because that thread was something I wouldn't have read or posted on in the first place!!! No, maybe I would have posted something, but not a whole fucking conversation! Britney...

However - In my opinion - It was a standard conversation about a poor performance, some body fat and bad dance moves. I was not able to watch the videos posted, because apparently they've been removed. So I have no basis for the performance in question - I didn't see the awards show either. (forgot it was on). I am hoping they will rebroadcast it as they used to do in the past.

I feel people are getting waaaaay toooo emotional on this topic - I think when people started dragging in comparisons to Maddy and Janet, it went downhill - but not enough to warrant any action.

sos called someone "lil ray charles"... he said it in a laughing way - it did not come off as harsh or evil minded. In all honesty, people need to stop bringing in personal feelings into when a moderator is a part of the general conversation. Do we not have the right to post our thoughts? Even in a jovial manner? C'mon. I know some people don't like his style of moderating. I know some people don't like my style of moderating. I know the same stands for luv, carrie, mach, etc... so I feel that that person is not going to like what they/we/I have to say in any thread regardless of whether we are joking or not.

That being said, I have a suggestion for the moderators to mull over:

I think that when a moderator becomes a part of the conversation in a majority of the thread, that moderator needs to step back from moderating the thread so as to appear that he/she is not "controlling" the conversation. I'm not at all stating that this was the case, just perhaps something we should do from now on... and only if we're major contributors to the thread. This may avoid other orgers from thinking our position on this site can be used to sway the conversation to our liking. This way, a third party is involved and seems more fair. Also - orgers must take responsibility too. If you feel that a thread is going unfairly or turning ugly - REPORT IT TO A MODERATOR! Even if a moderator is part of the conversation. Mods? Your thoughts?

Lastly, and to restate my opinion on this thread matter - yes, some emotions got high. No rules were broken, from what I could see. There were edits made by mods, but I can't tell you what they were, so I have no idea what was removed or censored or snipped. Even reading it now, the end result is that it's a heated discussion, both pro and con, but not to the point that it should be removed or locked.

One last comment.... all this over Britney Spears?

there is a huge difference between arguing a point and petty name calling and judging of individuals character just to make a point in a debate.

HUGE DIFFERENCE!!! Not once have I ever belittled anyone for whom or what they are...i argue issues....i don't make it personal. You...and others make the argument personal...

thats...well, its gutter.

your preception of what you do and others are differnt. our preceptions are our reality and vice versa.

once again

if it sounds like a duck
and if it looks like a duck
and if it acts like a duck

it's a duck.

you just can't stop can you...just like in the britney thread...you've made your point...you refuse to show an example and resort to vague accusations. its a straw mans argument...

and your right, if you sound like someone taking things personal and attacking because you are upset...

if you look like someone who is taking thins personal...

and if you are acting like someone is who is taking all of this way way way too far and personal...

then maybe you are.

goes both ways buddy boy.

ummm...what does that thread about teacher's sister have to do with anything?

And SOS, we're 4 people who have issues with you (JD, me, gemini and ehuff)

it's not your moderation or lack thereof we have a problem with, it's your behaviour when you're not moderating. You're acting, like somebody else said, condescending and you're acting like you can say whatever the hell you want because you're a moderator on the site.