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Thread started 08/26/07 4:53pm

Calligraphy

Orgers who are minors

I've always thought of the Org as a grownup playground and discussion space. Certainly, with Prince's resurgence in popularity, younger fans are liable to be drawn here.

But I'm uncomfortable with the level of interaction some younger Orgers pursue. They more than adults feel the pressure to belong and to be taken seriously.

I think the Org should be limited to people who are 18 and older, given the nature the discussions that take place, the extreme degree of flirtation (and worse).

But how how would such a policy be enforced, if agreed upon? How do similar sites handle this demographic issue?
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Reply #1 posted 08/26/07 4:56pm

One4All4Ever

we got mods and they do a dang good job on that issue ...

flirtation ??? where eek
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Reply #2 posted 08/26/07 5:14pm

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One4All4Ever said:

we got mods and they do a dang good job on that issue ...

flirtation ??? where eek


No, not between minors and adults (that I've seen, at least). I meant in general that could spill over to minors, if someone wasn't aware of an Orgers' age.
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Reply #3 posted 08/26/07 5:15pm

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But, I'm glad to hear that awareness of this issue is built into the site's moderation.
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Reply #4 posted 08/26/07 11:15pm

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I'm not comfortable with minors being on this site, mixing and mingling with adults.
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Reply #5 posted 08/26/07 11:21pm

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PurpleCharm said:

I'm not comfortable with minors being on this site, mixing and mingling with adults.


as long as no one becomes or show predator beheaviour i don't see an issue. it's not like that can't hear or see worse somewhere else.
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Reply #6 posted 08/27/07 9:36am

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ehuffnsd said:

PurpleCharm said:

I'm not comfortable with minors being on this site, mixing and mingling with adults.


as long as no one becomes or show predator beheaviour i don't see an issue. it's not like that can't hear or see worse somewhere else.


But that doesn't mean the Org shouldn't be aware and set policies regarding minor Orgers.


I'm surprised many times when I found out an Orger is 15 or 16 years old.
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Reply #7 posted 08/27/07 3:57pm

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Rhondab said:

ehuffnsd said:



as long as no one becomes or show predator beheaviour i don't see an issue. it's not like that can't hear or see worse somewhere else.


But that doesn't mean the Org shouldn't be aware and set policies regarding minor Orgers.


I'm surprised many times when I found out an Orger is 15 or 16 years old.


who's responsible for the infraction? i don't like at profiles alot of the times, so most of the time with new orgers i don't know anything about them.

when i was 16, i was lying about my age to people so they'd take me out. at 15 and 16 they aren't innocent by any means.
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Reply #8 posted 08/27/07 4:26pm

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RhondaB hit upon my point: A lot of interaction with the minors here is incidental. Until someone includes their age in their profile or says they're underage, the general assumption is that an Orger is an adult.

Think for a moment about the flirting that goes on between adult Orgers, the attachments that often develop, as interactions increase. It can be weighty for adults -- imagine the potential attachment issues for a kid.

There's also a safety issue. The "photowhore" threads are popular enough for adults. But should minor Orgers be allowed to post their pics? Myspace has run into enough issues, where that's concerned. And, we all know the lurkers-to-Orgers ratio can be fairly substantial here sometimes. Who knows who's viewing their pics?

Once I know the originator of a thread is a minor, I steer clear; and I generally don't talk to them. I suspect many other Orgers follow similar policies.

I know I'm being rather alarmist, but I think there's room for caution. Just my twocents .
[Edited 8/27/07 16:27pm]
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Reply #9 posted 08/27/07 5:47pm

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When school starts they'll find other things to do with their time and eventually forget about this place, young people have short attention spans. I cannot wait! biggrin
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Reply #10 posted 08/27/07 6:29pm

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wlcm2thdwn said:

When school starts they'll find other things to do with their time and eventually forget about this place, young people have short attention spans. I cannot wait! biggrin

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Reply #11 posted 08/27/07 6:37pm

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Yep I get underagers in the chatroom. Most will have their age in their profiles (or not); or it comes out in some form during chat discussion that it's obvious.

When there are adults in the chatroom having "adult" discussion (sometimes a sexual topic for example), I tend to alert the adult crowd that there is/are underagers in the chatroom and the convo changes. There was one underager that had stated to the adults "you can continue with your sex talk, I'm "mature" enough to be included in the discussion". omg

There have been people as young as 12 who are disrespectful to adults in the chatroom. A 12 year old told an adult to "fuck off" (no joke).

As for for the forums, it's not too hard to spot underagers.

Remember there are underagers all over the net on all kinds of sites out there. Do they have rules regarding underagers?

Should there be an age restriction for the org?

Should there be an age restriction for the chatroom?


The org does have underagers who are into Prince.
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Reply #12 posted 08/27/07 6:40pm

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If there was an 18yr age limit...people could lie about there age when they join
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Reply #13 posted 08/27/07 6:51pm

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what does age matter? we all have PM's and many other trix that we can do..
is it hard to clean up ur words when a child enters?i say Prince stays strong by new fans bring them on one day ur child will decide the nursing home u live in and another will rule the world
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Reply #14 posted 08/27/07 6:57pm

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mplsmike said:

If there was an 18yr age limit...people could lie about there age when they join


Very true
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Reply #15 posted 08/27/07 9:09pm

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luv4u said:

Yep I get underagers in the chatroom. Most will have their age in their profiles (or not); or it comes out in some form during chat discussion that it's obvious.

When there are adults in the chatroom having "adult" discussion (sometimes a sexual topic for example), I tend to alert the adult crowd that there is/are underagers in the chatroom and the convo changes. There was one underager that had stated to the adults "you can continue with your sex talk, I'm "mature" enough to be included in the discussion". omg

There have been people as young as 12 who are disrespectful to adults in the chatroom. A 12 year old told an adult to "fuck off" (no joke).

As for for the forums, it's not too hard to spot underagers.

Remember there are underagers all over the net on all kinds of sites out there. Do they have rules regarding underagers?

Should there be an age restriction for the org?

Should there be an age restriction for the chatroom?


The org does have underagers who are into Prince.
Yeah, that is tru that minors are into Prince. I became a fan at age 9 but to change the content of what is discussed here because there are minors at an adult webiste is not fair to the adults. Back in the day, did Prince tone down the sexual content of his concerts for fear that minors may be around?

I agree with Calligraphy. When I know a minor has started a thread, I steer clear of it. The level of profanity and lewd talk from someon of the kids on here is mindblowing and disrespectful to me. We obviously can't depend on these kids parents to keep them off here but to change what we do for them is just ridiculous to me.
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Reply #16 posted 08/28/07 3:16am

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Calligraphy said:

RhondaB hit upon my point: A lot of interaction with the minors here is incidental. Until someone includes their age in their profile or says they're underage, the general assumption is that an Orger is an adult.

Think for a moment about the flirting that goes on between adult Orgers, the attachments that often develop, as interactions increase. It can be weighty for adults -- imagine the potential attachment issues for a kid.

There's also a safety issue. The "photowhore" threads are popular enough for adults. But should minor Orgers be allowed to post their pics? Myspace has run into enough issues, where that's concerned. And, we all know the lurkers-to-Orgers ratio can be fairly substantial here sometimes. Who knows who's viewing their pics?

Once I know the originator of a thread is a minor, I steer clear; and I generally don't talk to them. I suspect many other Orgers follow similar policies.

I know I'm being rather alarmist, but I think there's room for caution. Just my twocents .
[Edited 8/27/07 16:27pm]


yep, yep nod

I think that the Org should cover its ass an set some sort of policy regarding age even if its just a warning when you sign up that there are Orgers of all ages, please watch your language or whatever but that you are responsible for...blah, blah, blah. With all of the myspace/facebook crap, I think the Org can't be so naive to think that all orgers have the best interest of the younger orgers at heart and Ben should just cover his ass on this.
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Reply #17 posted 08/28/07 6:13am

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Rhondab said:

Calligraphy said:

RhondaB hit upon my point: A lot of interaction with the minors here is incidental. Until someone includes their age in their profile or says they're underage, the general assumption is that an Orger is an adult.

Think for a moment about the flirting that goes on between adult Orgers, the attachments that often develop, as interactions increase. It can be weighty for adults -- imagine the potential attachment issues for a kid.

There's also a safety issue. The "photowhore" threads are popular enough for adults. But should minor Orgers be allowed to post their pics? Myspace has run into enough issues, where that's concerned. And, we all know the lurkers-to-Orgers ratio can be fairly substantial here sometimes. Who knows who's viewing their pics?

Once I know the originator of a thread is a minor, I steer clear; and I generally don't talk to them. I suspect many other Orgers follow similar policies.

I know I'm being rather alarmist, but I think there's room for caution. Just my twocents .
[Edited 8/27/07 16:27pm]


yep, yep nod

I think that the Org should cover its ass an set some sort of policy regarding age even if its just a warning when you sign up that there are Orgers of all ages, please watch your language or whatever but that you are responsible for...blah, blah, blah. With all of the myspace/facebook crap, I think the Org can't be so naive to think that all orgers have the best interest of the younger orgers at heart and Ben should just cover his ass on this.
Watch your language on a Prince site is just ridiculous to me.
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Reply #18 posted 08/28/07 7:35am

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Lothan said:

Rhondab said:



yep, yep nod

I think that the Org should cover its ass an set some sort of policy regarding age even if its just a warning when you sign up that there are Orgers of all ages, please watch your language or whatever but that you are responsible for...blah, blah, blah. With all of the myspace/facebook crap, I think the Org can't be so naive to think that all orgers have the best interest of the younger orgers at heart and Ben should just cover his ass on this.
Watch your language on a Prince site is just ridiculous to me.




But I didn't say watch your language per se.

I said that there just should be some statement about minors being on the site so that Ben, being the owner, can cover his ass.
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Reply #19 posted 08/28/07 7:41am

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Rhondab said:

Lothan said:

Watch your language on a Prince site is just ridiculous to me.




But I didn't say watch your language per se.

I said that there just should be some statement about minors being on the site so that Ben, being the owner, can cover his ass.
Oh. I was getting the impression that we should watch what we say because kids are here.
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Reply #20 posted 08/28/07 7:47am

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Lothan said:

Rhondab said:





But I didn't say watch your language per se.

I said that there just should be some statement about minors being on the site so that Ben, being the owner, can cover his ass.
Oh. I was getting the impression that we should watch what we say because kids are here.




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Reply #21 posted 08/28/07 5:28pm

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I am just shocked at the amount of time some of the minors spend on this site. I have even seen some posting during hours they should be in school.

Do their parents know about the amount of adult interaction that they are engaged in?

There is one teen in particular that is deep in the mix of some of the more mature content on this site. confused
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Reply #22 posted 08/28/07 5:44pm

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PurpleCharm said:

I am just shocked at the amount of time some of the minors spend on this site. I have even seen some posting during hours they should be in school.

Do their parents know about the amount of adult interaction that they are engaged in?

There is one teen in particular that is deep in the mix of some of the more mature content on this site. confused


That's the parent(s) responsibility to supervise their underager. It is not the responsibility of the org to "babysit" underagers. Some internet services provide "parental controls" or there is software such as "Netnanny". Or parent(s) can put a password on the computer so the underager cannot gain access while the parent(s) are away from home.

Some have access at school. Schools can block access and only have links to sites they use for teaching purposes.
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Reply #23 posted 08/28/07 5:47pm

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luv4u said:

PurpleCharm said:

I am just shocked at the amount of time some of the minors spend on this site. I have even seen some posting during hours they should be in school.

Do their parents know about the amount of adult interaction that they are engaged in?

There is one teen in particular that is deep in the mix of some of the more mature content on this site. confused


That's the parent(s) responsibility to supervise their underager. It is not the responsibility of the org to "babysit" underagers. Some internet services provide "parental controls" or there is software such as "Netnanny". Or parent(s) can put a password on the computer so the underager cannot gain access while the parent(s) are away from home.

Some have access at school. Schools can block access and only have links to sites they use for teaching purposes.


Hold up. Did I say that it was the responsibility of the org to babysit? I made a comment, not a judgment against the org. rolleyes

If anything, my comment says more about the parent than about the org. confused
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PurpleCharm said:

luv4u said:



That's the parent(s) responsibility to supervise their underager. It is not the responsibility of the org to "babysit" underagers. Some internet services provide "parental controls" or there is software such as "Netnanny". Or parent(s) can put a password on the computer so the underager cannot gain access while the parent(s) are away from home.

Some have access at school. Schools can block access and only have links to sites they use for teaching purposes.


Hold up. Did I say that it was the responsibility of the org to babysit? I made a comment, not a judgment against the org. rolleyes

If anything, my comment says more about the parent than about the org. confused
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I did not imply you said that. I only made my opinion on the topic, relax smile
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Reply #25 posted 08/29/07 8:13pm

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Calligraphy said:

I've always thought of the Org as a grownup playground and discussion space. Certainly, with Prince's resurgence in popularity, younger fans are liable to be drawn here.

But I'm uncomfortable with the level of interaction some younger Orgers pursue. They more than adults feel the pressure to belong and to be taken seriously.

I think the Org should be limited to people who are 18 and older, given the nature the discussions that take place, the extreme degree of flirtation (and worse).

But how how would such a policy be enforced, if agreed upon? How do similar sites handle this demographic issue?

I don't think it should be limited. I used to belong to another online forum that changed it's policies to allow adults only and heavily policed allowable topics and language, and left because of it. I don't need a babysitter, thanks, and neither do the kids. The Org may have it's flaws, but one of the things I love about it is it's openness to everybody.
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eek There is a 10 year old underager that comes in the chatroom now omg
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Reply #27 posted 09/01/07 1:16pm

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I've mentioned this before:
It wouldn't hurt the site to have a blurb regarding "adult content, over 18 recommended".
This could be in the "User Agreement". Since the concern seems to be adult predators and contact with younger users, this could eliminate any concern for responsibility of the site. Not that Prince.org could be held responsible.....
I don't think under 18 members should be banned.
Although 10 yr olds does seem a little young. I'm not in the chat rooms at all. If there's a question over those activities, maybe the chat rooms should have a restriction.
Teenagers aren't how they used to be. I know from my own three children.
I generally doubt the actual ages of some those posting under 16.....the type of posts, the maturity, ability to spell, vocabulary.....not all, are the age they say they are.
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xplnyrslf said:



I generally doubt the actual ages of some those posting under 16.....the type of posts, the maturity, ability to spell, vocabulary.....not all, are the age they say they are.


I agree with you on that.

Any adult "pretending" to be an underager must have a few screws loose upstairs. giggle
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luv4u said:

xplnyrslf said:



I generally doubt the actual ages of some those posting under 16.....the type of posts, the maturity, ability to spell, vocabulary.....not all, are the age they say they are.


I agree with you on that.

Any adult "pretending" to be an underager must have a few screws loose upstairs. giggle


I was thinking more in the line of someone "policing" those who are attracted to members who state they are young. Like bait.
Pedophiles seem to seek out youths, then pretend to be young. Presenting oneself as young is another story.
eek

then again there's the perpetual altars..... I'll never understand the time spent. Why pretend to be someone you're not? It's an enigma.



Either way...something's amiss with the alleged young ages
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