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PrintableJustin1972UK said: mdiver said: i am saying that your position is untenable with comparisons like that. So you didnt like Steve Irwin.....fine, he didnt spark off a war that killed 55 million people, he didnt exterminate 6 million Jews, he didnt set about conducting genocide and systematically eradicating undesirables.
I have explained my reasons for using using one facet of Hitler's iconography as a metaphor - that being his idolisation by a hysterical nation at a specific point in history... Not his "sparking off a war"; Not his mass-murder of jews and "undesirables"... It would have been well-timed and insensitive. What is your point? I suffer from depression but am also a forum member at this site. As far as I am aware, a basic tenet of this site's membership is to respect other forum members. If I wasn't a member of Prince.org and posted whilst feeling low on AnyOtherRandomSite.com you would be well within your rights to comment about my behaviour here. In the same fashion, I was well within my rights to post about Steve Irwin (and the media circus following his death) as he was evidently not a member of Prince.org. mdiver said: By your method i am entitled to my opinion and should express it in a public forum wherever and whenever i see fit.....
No. Because posting something like "depressed people are just lazy and need to suck it up and get a life" would be expressing a thoughtless prejudice towards those with mental illness, rather than a valid, informed opinion. Ok Justin well let me put it this way: Your likening Steve Irwin to Hitler offended me As did your comments on that thread and as a member of this forum you should respect my feeling son that matter. YOU HAVE JUST STATED THAT. That is the basis of this whole conversation. Your opinion on him is also pretty misinformed as my example comment so it is all down to which side of the fench you stand Oh and BTW thanks for noting the empathy i showed a few months ago when i spent 2 hrs on IM with you when you felt down. Appreciate that. I also find it offensive you wishing a motorcycle accident on me. You are acting like a petulent child. | |
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mdiver said: Ok Justin well let me put it this way:
Your likening Steve Irwin to Hitler offended me Yes, you're right. I think that Steve Irwin was just like Hitler. I don't think that the hysteria displayed by the nation of Australia in the aftermath of Steve Irwin's death was comparable to the hysteria which propelled Hitler's rise to leadership of a fascist German state in the 1930s. That isn't what I meant at all. mdiver said: As did your comments on that thread and as a member of this forum you should respect my feeling son that matter. YOU HAVE JUST STATED THAT.
Yes. Whatever it is you're attempting to say, I completely and utterly agree with you. mdiver said: That is the basis of this whole conversation.
You're so right! mdiver said: Your opinion on him is also pretty misinformed as my example comment so it is all down to which side of the fench you stand
Find me a fench and tell me which side of it to stand on - and I'm like so there! mdiver said: Oh and BTW thanks for noting the empathy i showed a few months ago when i spent 2 hrs on IM with you when you felt down. Appreciate that.
I'm sorry that your support wasn't unconditional - you should have told me, you silly billy! mdiver said: I also find it offensive you wishing a motorcycle accident on me.
Oh. I forgot to add the "lol". Here it is: 
mdiver said: You are acting like a petulent child.
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Justin1972UK said: mdiver said: Ok Justin well let me put it this way:
Your likening Steve Irwin to Hitler offended me Yes, you're right. I think that Steve Irwin was just like Hitler. I don't think that the hysteria displayed by the nation of Australia in the aftermath of Steve Irwin's death was comparable to the hysteria which propelled Hitler's rise to leadership of a fascist German state in the 1930s. That isn't what I meant at all. Oh. I forgot to add the "lol". Here it is:
mdiver said: You are acting like a petulent child.
I try my best. Kisses. x x x Man alive no wonder you don't have any friends left | |
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mdiver said: gemini13 said: He is saying that I don't have the right to judge others. And I'm saying that I do. ANDDDD if my particular judgment doesn't fit in with the majority, I am judged very quickly, and in some cases, reported. What I am saying is that people should have the right to say what they want, as long as it's not a violent threat or something similar. There are a lot of emotional and dramatic people on this site, and it bores me. Sure, there are things I see that I could report, but I'm just not that nosy or controlling (I see some people here who are not happy unless they are controlling the issues). Most here are so damned worried about being liked by others that they come off a little bit insincere in my eyes. That is just it you dont have the right to judge others but as SOON as you do you deserve the same treatment, what is good for the goose is good for the gander just if you wanna judge then dont bitch when you get judged Oh, I don't care about being judged. I really couldn't care less actually. That's all fine, but when these sensitive folk start wanting to report others because they don't like the opinion, that's another thing altogether. Like I've said before, freedom of speech and freedom of expression are far more important to me than anything else. | |
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Justin1972UK said: mdiver said: So now you are likening Steve Irwin to Hitler?
If you are you just lost your credibility,if you are not then the point is moot Yes, I am likening Steve Irwin to Hitler, in that both were figures beloved of a nation blinkered by hysteria at a specific point in history. Your positive/negative supposition is basically 'trial by dunking'... If I answer in the affirmative I've "lost my credibility" and if I answer in the negative, it's "moot". So, I obviously can't win... You've already reasoned that my opinions aren't valid - however I answer. If you want to bait me into crying, then carry on, because I'm halfway there already. You're no longer conversing with me but attempting to trip me up.  Awwww, don't even worry yourself over a website, man! You just keep voicing your opinion. Fuck 'em if they don't like it (and not you exclusively mdiver). In the grand scheme of things, this prince.org isn't important. | |
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gemini13 said: mdiver said: That is just it you dont have the right to judge others but as SOON as you do you deserve the same treatment, what is good for the goose is good for the gander just if you wanna judge then dont bitch when you get judged Oh, I don't care about being judged. I really couldn't care less actually. That's all fine, but when these sensitive folk start wanting to report others because they don't like the opinion, that's another thing altogether. Like I've said before, freedom of speech and freedom of expression are far more important to me than anything else. damn, im trying to find a kick arse quote from kevin smith about freedom of speech on his forum...its apt for this discussion...i will dig for it and post it later. Space for sale... | |
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gemini13 said: xplnyrslf said: It's not within the realm of civil behavior.....someone needs to educate the youth of today. How else are they going to learn? "Civility" by Stephen Carter is a good start. "Fucking idiot" should never be tolerated in any manner.  Then why do you tolerate me? I use that phrase a lot. In GD it's used as a term of endearment. I'm referring to when it's use during a hostile interaction. 
I should have said "tolerated in any manner during an arguement". [Edited 9/10/07 11:12am] | |
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luv4u said:[quote]We all have opinions on what we deem offensive. What do you consider offensive? Would you tolerate it or speak up?[/quote]
It's important for those not in the discussion to speak up, with offensive threads. (besides the participant) Input from a 3rd objective party gives an indication of when behavior is inappropriate. I'll give an example: During one hostile debate, a woman was told "it's not my fault you got knocked-up when you were younger", along with other meanspirited statements by another member. She must have mentioned her history in another thread. I couldn't hit the "contact us" key fast enough! The moderator responded with "maybe another term could have been used....." (I fell out of my chair laughing) I convinced the mod there was no way the message could, nor should be re-worded. It was uncalled for and cruel. It got snipped. The woman herself hadn't complained about the offensive statement. Some people have low self esteem and tolerate abuse. As I've mentioned before: it's up to ALL of us to keep the site civil. The bad behavior you see, can and will, be directed at you next. The mods have to determine what's nit picky and what needs action. [Edited 9/10/07 15:33pm] | |
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Justin1972UK said: I find threads about the ill-treatment of animals posted in a humourous manner to be highly offensive.
I'm also offended when dissenting viewpoints are snipped or completely erased. I am still angry that my criticisms of Steve Irwin's expolitative television programmes were completely erased. There was a thread the other month about bull-running in Spain which I really found offensive. It wasn't presented as a reportage, but was actually portrayed in a favourable light by many of the Spanish Orgers. I found it sickening. I also don't want to see photographs of hunting trips. Hunting is legal here in the US. Photos of anything illegal should not be posted. | |
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Justin1972UK said: I find threads about the ill-treatment of animals posted in a humourous manner to be highly offensive.
I'm also offended when dissenting viewpoints are snipped or completely erased. I am still angry that my criticisms of Steve Irwin's expolitative television programmes were completely erased. There was a thread the other month about bull-running in Spain which I really found offensive. It wasn't presented as a reportage, but was actually portrayed in a favourable light by many of the Spanish Orgers. I found it sickening. I also don't want to see photographs of hunting trips. I have just seen this quote and i have to say that given our exchange above Justin you are a complete hypocrite! SO basically if it offends YOU we all have to stop but when YOU offend others no-one can say anything because YOU have a right to express yourself whenever and wherever you feel like it and anyone that stops you is censoring you. Get over yourself and grow some! | |
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mdiver said: Justin1972UK said: I find threads about the ill-treatment of animals posted in a humourous manner to be highly offensive.
I'm also offended when dissenting viewpoints are snipped or completely erased. I am still angry that my criticisms of Steve Irwin's expolitative television programmes were completely erased. There was a thread the other month about bull-running in Spain which I really found offensive. It wasn't presented as a reportage, but was actually portrayed in a favourable light by many of the Spanish Orgers. I found it sickening. I also don't want to see photographs of hunting trips. I have just seen this quote and i have to say that given our exchange above Justin you are a complete hypocrite! SO basically if it offends YOU we all have to stop but when YOU offend others no-one can say anything because YOU have a right to express yourself whenever and wherever you feel like it and anyone that stops you is censoring you. Get over yourself and grow some! Good grief! I just received an email from a fellow Orger, rousing me from my Org Hibernation, pointing me in the direction of this thread... I'm not a hypocrite at all. The thread title asks "What Do You Consider As An Offensive Thread" and I gave my answers, as have others. I haven't said that threads I personally find offensive should be censored or that you "all have to stop". If anything, I've stated that dissenting viewpoints should be posted and protected by moderation rather than removed as a knee-jerk reaction. If the moderation here wasn't so "trigger happy", forum members would soon gain their own opinions of others' foibles and quirks over time. How are we to know if somebody is prejudiced, trolling or just plain inflammatory if everytime somebody talks shit, a moderator mops-up behind them? I'd prefer a state of grace - maybe at least ten minutes after the first report is received - whilst moderators confer amongst themselves. Like I said in an earlier post, I don't believe in censorship of art or thought but I do believe in certification... How hard is that to understand? Post threads about hunting, shooting, fishing all you like, but place them in the Politics & Religion forum where other contentious issues belong. If you post a thread called "I'm Going Hunting LOL" in General Discussion, the average reader will probably expect the content to be about hunting pussy or cock - not Bambi's mother. And if you think that hunting isn't a politically contentious issue, note that xplnyrslf's immediate reaction to my earlier post is simply, "Hunting is legal here in the US"... The legislature making it legal, being sanctioned by her country's government... | |
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xplnyrslf said: Hunting is legal here in the US. Photos of anything illegal should not be posted.
Nudist beaches aren't illegal in many parts of the world. However, if I were to post pictures of a nudist beach in the General Discussion forum, I would caption my thread title with "(NSFW)". There should be similar certification for other potentially offensive material. | |
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Justin1972UK said: xplnyrslf said: Hunting is legal here in the US. Photos of anything illegal should not be posted.
Nudist beaches aren't illegal in many parts of the world. However, if I were to post pictures of a nudist beach in the General Discussion forum, I would caption my thread title with "(NSFW)". There should be similar certification for other potentially offensive material. Then there would be "NSFW" on most the posts in GD. | |
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Justin1972UK said: mdiver said: I have just seen this quote and i have to say that given our exchange above Justin you are a complete hypocrite! SO basically if it offends YOU we all have to stop but when YOU offend others no-one can say anything because YOU have a right to express yourself whenever and wherever you feel like it and anyone that stops you is censoring you. Get over yourself and grow some! Good grief! I just received an email from a fellow Orger, rousing me from my Org Hibernation, pointing me in the direction of this thread... I'm not a hypocrite at all. The thread title asks "What Do You Consider As An Offensive Thread" and I gave my answers, as have others. I haven't said that threads I personally find offensive should be censored or that you "all have to stop". If anything, I've stated that dissenting viewpoints should be posted and protected by moderation rather than removed as a knee-jerk reaction. If the moderation here wasn't so "trigger happy", forum members would soon gain their own opinions of others' foibles and quirks over time. How are we to know if somebody is prejudiced, trolling or just plain inflammatory if everytime somebody talks shit, a moderator mops-up behind them? I'd prefer a state of grace - maybe at least ten minutes after the first report is received - whilst moderators confer amongst themselves. Like I said in an earlier post, I don't believe in censorship of art or thought but I do believe in certification... How hard is that to understand? Post threads about hunting, shooting, fishing all you like, but place them in the Politics & Religion forum where other contentious issues belong. If you post a thread called "I'm Going Hunting LOL" in General Discussion, the average reader will probably expect the content to be about hunting pussy or cock - not Bambi's mother. And if you think that hunting isn't a politically contentious issue, note that xplnyrslf's immediate reaction to my earlier post is simply, "Hunting is legal here in the US"... The legislature making it legal, being sanctioned by her country's government... Xpln the certification part, as I'm not getting the term.... If the site wants to put hunting, shooting, (happens to be an olympic sport) and fishing in P&R that's fine by me. "The legislature making it legal, being sanctioned by her country's government..." Like I said, hunting is legal in the US. If anyone wants to post pics of women on a beach in Europe, I could care less. | |
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xplnyrslf said: Xpln the certification part, as I'm not getting the term....
Like movie ratings... or PMRC stickers on albums... or even just "adult" television programming being broadcast after nine pm instead of at nine am. That's not censorship, but certification. I can't explain it any better than that. I hope you get what I mean. | |
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Justin1972UK said: xplnyrslf said: Xpln the certification part, as I'm not getting the term....
Like movie ratings... or PMRC stickers on albums... or even just "adult" television programming being broadcast after nine pm instead of at nine am. That's not censorship, but certification. I can't explain it any better than that. I hope you get what I mean. That's a great idea, which works for movies and TV and is used to protect children, but with a few exceptions, most are adults here. Since you're in your mid thirties you need to be protected from certain aspects on this site which are distasteful to you? If the mods have nothing better to do.....
By the way, I don't post forum topics on hunting or shooting sports....I'll respond to one, if another member brings up the topic.  | |
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Justin1972UK said: xplnyrslf said: Hunting is legal here in the US. Photos of anything illegal should not be posted.
Nudist beaches aren't illegal in many parts of the world. However, if I were to post pictures of a nudist beach in the General Discussion forum, I would caption my thread title with "(NSFW)". There should be similar certification for other potentially offensive material. Offensive to who Justin...you offended me by your comments.....its contetious...that is why we haveto take each other in to consideration.....merry christmas BTW  | |
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mdiver said: merry christmas BTW
Happy Halloween. | |
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Justin1972UK said: mdiver said: merry christmas BTW
Happy Halloween.  | |
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Justin1972UK said:
"If you post a thread called "I'm Going Hunting LOL" in General Discussion, the average reader will probably expect the content to be about hunting pussy or cock - not Bambi's mother. " This is unbelievably hillarious! Hate to see anyone deprived of a hunting "cock or pussy" thread and have it instead be about ACTUAL hunting, which is so offensive it should be "certified". Average reader? wow.   [Edited 9/11/07 15:46pm] | |
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xplnyrslf said: Justin1972UK said:
"If you post a thread called "I'm Going Hunting LOL" in General Discussion, the average reader will probably expect the content to be about hunting pussy or cock - not Bambi's mother. " This is unbelievably hillarious! It was intended to be. Glad you found it funny. | |
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Seriously it is like arguing with a 4 year old.....ridiculous points then sarcasm. My neice can argue better than that | |
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mdiver said: My neice can argue better than that
Are you sure that dyslexia doesn't run in the family?
p.s. "I before E, except after C" isn't a hard-and-fast rule, but most times it's correct (if you're ever in doubt, in future). | |
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Justin1972UK said: mdiver said: My neice can argue better than that
Are you sure that dyslexia doesn't run in the family?
p.s. "I before E, except after C" isn't a hard-and-fast rule, but most times it's correct (if you're ever in doubt, in future).  I will tell you what...when you have a better job, salary,home,life and family...then you can correct my spelling mate | |
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mdiver said: Justin1972UK said: Are you sure that dyslexia doesn't run in the family?
p.s. "I before E, except after C" isn't a hard-and-fast rule, but most times it's correct (if you're ever in doubt, in future). I will tell you what...when you have a better job, salary,home,life and family...then you can correct my spelling mate Pardon me, but is there any reason that you can't just let it go already. You're calling him a petulant child, then use the all too tired "my (insert transitional bullshit)" is better than yours, so nanny nanny boo. | |
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mdiver said: I will tell you what...when you have a better job, salary,home,life and family...then you can correct my spelling mate Yeah, so much better that you spend half your life online at Prince.org and the other half risking your life on a motor-racing track. | |
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gemini13 said: mdiver said: I will tell you what...when you have a better job, salary,home,life and family...then you can correct my spelling mate Pardon me, but is there any reason that you can't just let it go already. You're calling him a petulant child, then use the all too tired "my (insert transitional bullshit)" is better than yours, so nanny nanny boo. Butt the fuck out. I back down from no-one so if you wanna bring it too then you too picked the wrong fucking week for this shit. | |
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sosgemini said: Teacher said: I'm not going to go drag up all your comments on various topics in this forum but you consistently couple cussing and rude remarks with the "lol" emoticon - if you mean to be rude there's no need for that emoticon to be in there. It IS however a well known means for chicken users to be able to use the "look at the "lol", I was only joking" if later called on it. Now you've said you mean to be an ass, so no need for the emoticon in the future. are you trying to control how people express themselves? is that your agenda? that's what you do. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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Justin1972UK said: mdiver said: I will tell you what...when you have a better job, salary,home,life and family...then you can correct my spelling mate Yeah, so much better that you spend half your life online at Prince.org and the other half risking your life on a motor-racing track. Whereas you spend half your life on Prince.org and the [Snip - luv4u] | |
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