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PrintableCarrieMpls said: ehuffnsd said: i'm not saying ban them for it, but out them to the rest of the orgers so people don't wrapped up in it. I don't want to get into all that. 
Sounds like more drama than necessary. I think either all alters (that abide by the rules) are allowed or none are, but I'm not up for making rules about when to "out" them or not. It would honestly be a nightmare for the mods. leave to the mods of each forum to decide when it is the right time to out an out of hand alter? You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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P.S. Let me also point out that the user "LleeLlee" used to post as "Lleena" (with no discernible improvement in humor or readability). One day she just changed and nobody said a word. It was surreal, like some kind of git/Pod.
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ehuffnsd said: CarrieMpls said: I don't want to get into all that.
Sounds like more drama than necessary. I think either all alters (that abide by the rules) are allowed or none are, but I'm not up for making rules about when to "out" them or not. It would honestly be a nightmare for the mods. leave to the mods of each forum to decide when it is the right time to out an out of hand alter? Nope. I still don't agree. There is more than one mod for each forum and we already have people who complain of consistency issues (rightly so). To keep things as simple as possible either they're allowed or not, they're all "outed" or not, and each user is held to the rules, regardless of the # of accounts. |
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I really don't see what the big deal is with alter accounts personally.
I mean, how does anyone know that we're even being genuine with our primary accounts? There are creepy ass dudes on this site right now who troll married women, etc. for attention with their damned primary accounts under the guise sincerity and general caring. Their alter "ego" as they choose to present it are more damaging to this site than any of my alter "accounts". I don't use my alters to troll so much as to exist with anonymity. When one of my alters starts a thread, folks can post on it with no predisposed opinions of who am or what they think of me. They simply engage in the discussion at hand for it's own sake. Don't get me wrong--I love my friends, and love to fuck with my pissy enemies and shit, but an "imago" thread is sure to be jacked from the first 3 or 4 post responses, whereas an alter account's thread sometimes actually stays on track. Plus some of my alters are abviously jokes...aka "EvilWhiteMules", etc. hoe-to-how edit [Edited 8/3/07 14:23pm] | |
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Alters - should there be a limit ? Yes, absolutely. Personally I'm for an unlimited number of posts as the bottom line, that would eliminate the need for alters in the first place.
Should there be Alter account guidelines ? They should be incorporated in the site rules, prohibiting the creation of alters with intent to troll. I also think it should be in the rules that anybody who's asked in the forums what their original account is, should be compelled to answer truthfully. Are alters seen as a cool fun thing to do or more so a way to stir up stuff ? It so depends on the person who does it - both occur frequently. Personally the ONLY funny alters are POOK and COW, others just annoy me - I don't have time for that shit. Should trolling ( again fine line ) via alters be allowed ? NO Should trolling alters be banned along with the main account ? YES. Trolling isn't allowed at all and you agree to that when you sign the site rules. Simple as that. I'm fully aware that I've got more of a hate on for alters than ANYBODY on this site - I think it's wasting people's time and that if you're unable to be funny with your first account you're probably not gonna be more successful with your second, fourth or eight. I don't get why people need multiple accounts to be funny, cos it's not all that funny. For people who troll, well the answer is easy isn't it? It's not allowed. Furthermore I think that mods should DEF out the alters, that would take the fun out of the game. One last thing - creating a new account after having being banned should be considered trolling on principle. Not a popular opinion either but then I have plenty of those. | |
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Alters - should there be a limit ?
i know ben hates them, but i don't think so. some of the most fun i have had on the site has been from some of our GD comedic alters Should there be Alter account guidlines. i don't think so. the current rules seem sufficient. Are alters seen as a cool fun thing to do or more so a way to stir up stuff ? it depends. i have seen it both ways in p&r and gd. the current stable of p&r alters we are being deluged with is strictly to stir shit up, bait, and troll, though. Should trolling ( again fine line ) via alters be allowed ? no. trolling and baiting is against the rules, no matter what account someone is logged into. Should trolling alters be banned along with the main account ? i wouldn't want to see banning as the first step of recourse. trolling alters that are causing trouble should be deleted after an unheeded warning or two. if the person continues to make more to continue on their trail of troll, then it's obvious you have an orgewr determined to cause trouble. react the same as you would with the person if they were doing the same in their real screen name. Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely. - Lord Acton | |
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One more general point: it's never a good idea to change the technology every time there's an issue with a troll or if there's a simpler way to solve the problem. If there is an obvious troll who is doing demonstrable damage, get rid of them by all means, even though this should be a LAST resort.
But a lot of the changes that are causing such headaches now (post limits, thread limits, old threads being un-bumpable etc.,even skepticism about alters) were the direct result of the refusal to deal with a single user who was eventually banned anyway. I understand that changes have to be made and it's a learning process and all, but don't keep limiting what the technology can do. This site has always had more potential as a community than the technology has managed to realize. . [Edited 8/3/07 17:52pm] | |
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cborgman said: Alters - should there be a limit ?
i know ben hates them, but i don't think so. some of the most fun i have had on the site has been from some of our GD comedic alters Should there be Alter account guidlines. i don't think so. the current rules seem sufficient. Are alters seen as a cool fun thing to do or more so a way to stir up stuff ? it depends. i have seen it both ways in p&r and gd. the current stable of p&r alters we are being deluged with is strictly to stir shit up, bait, and troll, though. Should trolling ( again fine line ) via alters be allowed ? no. trolling and baiting is against the rules, no matter what account someone is logged into. Should trolling alters be banned along with the main account ? i wouldn't want to see banning as the first step of recourse. trolling alters that are causing trouble should be deleted after an unheeded warning or two. if the person continues to make more to continue on their trail of troll, then it's obvious you have an orgewr determined to cause trouble. react the same as you would with the person if they were doing the same in their real screen name. Your signature makes all of my accounts swoon. | |
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Imago said: cborgman said: Alters - should there be a limit ?
i know ben hates them, but i don't think so. some of the most fun i have had on the site has been from some of our GD comedic alters Should there be Alter account guidlines. i don't think so. the current rules seem sufficient. Are alters seen as a cool fun thing to do or more so a way to stir up stuff ? it depends. i have seen it both ways in p&r and gd. the current stable of p&r alters we are being deluged with is strictly to stir shit up, bait, and troll, though. Should trolling ( again fine line ) via alters be allowed ? no. trolling and baiting is against the rules, no matter what account someone is logged into. Should trolling alters be banned along with the main account ? i wouldn't want to see banning as the first step of recourse. trolling alters that are causing trouble should be deleted after an unheeded warning or two. if the person continues to make more to continue on their trail of troll, then it's obvious you have an orgewr determined to cause trouble. react the same as you would with the person if they were doing the same in their real screen name. Your signature makes all of my accounts swoon. 
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Imago said: I really don't see what the big deal is with alter accounts personally.
I mean, how does anyone know that we're even being genuine with our primary accounts? There are creepy ass dudes on this site right now who troll married women, etc. for attention with their damned primary accounts under the guise sincerity and general caring. Their alter "ego" as they choose to present it are more damaging to this site than any of my alter "accounts". I don't use my alters to troll so much as to exist with anonymity. When one of my alters starts a thread, folks can post on it with no predisposed opinions of who am or what they think of me. They simply engage in the discussion at hand for it's own sake. Don't get me wrong--I love my friends, and love to fuck with my pissy enemies and shit, but an "imago" thread is sure to be jacked from the first 3 or 4 post responses, whereas an alter account's thread sometimes actually stays on track. Plus some of my alters are abviously jokes...aka "EvilWhiteMules", etc. hoe-to-how edit [Edited 8/3/07 14:23pm] well said, good points. Welcome to the New World Odor and
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that's a whole lot of questions to answer...my thoughts? i me don't really care if folks create alter accounts...as long as each of them follow site rules.
can i ask a favor? can we refrain from calling folks "honey", "sweety" and "sugar" in this thread? not only is it really condescending but all the sugar is giving me a tummy ache. Space for sale... | |
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btw: didn't ben say no alt-accounts allowed, period?
and btw...mods, if you know that a banned orger has returned then it is your responsibility to immediately ban that person...if you don't i honestly think we as a group need to discuss ramifications for not following through...we have a strict zero tolerance policy and it's not fair to those who don't break rules nor to those who have been perma-banned to allow other's to return simply because of favoritism. and one other thing...i think we mods need to really discuss the whole "what is a silly thread" debate...but i'm going to save that discussion for tomorrow. i've had a long day. Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: i don't really care if folks create alter accounts...as long as each of them follow site rules.
and that's how I feel as succinctly as it can be put. |
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sosgemini said: that's a whole lot of questions to answer...my thoughts? i me don't really care if folks create alter accounts...as long as each of them follow site rules.
can i ask a favor? can we refrain from calling folks "honey", "sweety" and "sugar" in this thread? not only is it really condescending but all the sugar is giving me a tummy ache. Okay sweetheart 
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sosgemini said: btw: didn't ben say no alt-accounts allowed, period?
and btw...mods, if you know that a banned orger has returned then it is your responsibility to immediately ban that person...if you don't i honestly think we as a group need to discuss ramifications for not following through...we have a strict zero tolerance policy and it's not fair to those who don't break rules nor to those who have been perma-banned to allow other's to return simply because of favoritism. and one other thing...i think we mods need to really discuss the whole "what is a silly thread" debate...but i'm going to save that discussion for tomorrow. i've had a long day. Really  I would like to know that for sure from Ben
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Mach said: sosgemini said: that's a whole lot of questions to answer...my thoughts? i me don't really care if folks create alter accounts...as long as each of them follow site rules.
can i ask a favor? can we refrain from calling folks "honey", "sweety" and "sugar" in this thread? not only is it really condescending but all the sugar is giving me a tummy ache. Okay sweetheart
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sosgemini said: can i ask a favor? can we refrain from calling folks "honey", "sweety" and "sugar" in this thread? not only is it really condescending but all the sugar is giving me a tummy ache.
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sosgemini said: Mach said: Okay sweetheart
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sosgemini said: btw: didn't ben say no alt-accounts allowed, period?
and btw...mods, if you know that a banned orger has returned then it is your responsibility to immediately ban that person...if you don't i honestly think we as a group need to discuss ramifications for not following through...we have a strict zero tolerance policy and it's not fair to those who don't break rules nor to those who have been perma-banned to allow other's to return simply because of favoritism. and one other thing...i think we mods need to really discuss the whole "what is a silly thread" debate...but i'm going to save that discussion for tomorrow. i've had a long day. Good points | |
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2the9s said: sosgemini said: can i ask a favor? can we refrain from calling folks "honey", "sweety" and "sugar" in this thread? not only is it really condescending but all the sugar is giving me a tummy ache.
Is this addressed to users or mods? Where does "favor" fall in the range of mod directives? look it, sugarbuns!!! Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: that's a whole lot of questions to answer...my thoughts? i me don't really care if folks create alter accounts...as long as each of them follow site rules.
can i ask a favor? can we refrain from calling folks "honey", "sweety" and "sugar" in this thread? not only is it really condescending but all the sugar is giving me a tummy ache. thanks boo | |
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sosgemini said: btw: didn't ben say no alt-accounts allowed, period?
and btw...mods, if you know that a banned orger has returned then it is your responsibility to immediately ban that person...if you don't i honestly think we as a group need to discuss ramifications for not following through...we have a strict zero tolerance policy and it's not fair to those who don't break rules nor to those who have been perma-banned to allow other's to return simply because of favoritism. and one other thing...i think we mods need to really discuss the whole "what is a silly thread" debate...but i'm going to save that discussion for tomorrow. i've had a long day. If Ben said no alters period, it's not something I know about and it frankly could be quite difficult to manage. We'd be banning accounts left and right and for something I don't think is for the good of the community. At the least it would be a massive clean-up effort to begin with. As for continuing to ban perma-banned orgers that pop back up, absolutely. We all should be adhering to that no matter what. I think the place where problems can come in is our tools to determine these things aren't always the best, and frankly aren't fool-proof. But if we know undoubtedly someone has made a new account we should take immediate action. By all means. |
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Imago said: sosgemini said: that's a whole lot of questions to answer...my thoughts? i me don't really care if folks create alter accounts...as long as each of them follow site rules.
can i ask a favor? can we refrain from calling folks "honey", "sweety" and "sugar" in this thread? not only is it really condescending but all the sugar is giving me a tummy ache. thanks boo aight now splenda!!! Space for sale... | |
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CarrieMpls said: sosgemini said: btw: didn't ben say no alt-accounts allowed, period?
and btw...mods, if you know that a banned orger has returned then it is your responsibility to immediately ban that person...if you don't i honestly think we as a group need to discuss ramifications for not following through...we have a strict zero tolerance policy and it's not fair to those who don't break rules nor to those who have been perma-banned to allow other's to return simply because of favoritism. and one other thing...i think we mods need to really discuss the whole "what is a silly thread" debate...but i'm going to save that discussion for tomorrow. i've had a long day. If Ben said no alters period, it's not something I know about and it frankly could be quite difficult to manage. We'd be banning accounts left and right and for something I don't think is for the good of the community. At the least it would be a massive clean-up effort to begin with. As for continuing to ban perma-banned orgers that pop back up, absolutely. We all should be adhering to that no matter what. I think the place where problems can come in is our tools to determine these things aren't always the best, and frankly aren't fool-proof. But if we know undoubtedly someone has made a new account we should take immediate action. By all means. i thought he said that when he upped the posting limit...but then folks started exceeding that so we mods got lax with the rule again...or maybe i dreamed all of this...by all means am i declaring with 100% certainty that he made the comment. Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: CarrieMpls said: If Ben said no alters period, it's not something I know about and it frankly could be quite difficult to manage. We'd be banning accounts left and right and for something I don't think is for the good of the community. At the least it would be a massive clean-up effort to begin with. As for continuing to ban perma-banned orgers that pop back up, absolutely. We all should be adhering to that no matter what. I think the place where problems can come in is our tools to determine these things aren't always the best, and frankly aren't fool-proof. But if we know undoubtedly someone has made a new account we should take immediate action. By all means. i thought he said that when he upped the posting limit...but then folks started exceeding that so we mods got lax with the rule again...or maybe i dreamed all of this...by all means am i declaring with 100% certainty that he made the comment. I don't think he "upped the posting limit" for everyone did he? There were some who had it first, no? Don't you have to "request" it via an email to ben? Is the limit the same for everyone? Treat users differently and expect them to follow arbitrary rules about alters? Sounds like the Org!  | |
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sosgemini said: Imago said: thanks boo aight now splenda!!! come inside my splenda walls i figure it's the healthy alt now that sheena is a bit older. [Edited 8/3/07 21:44pm] You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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2the9s said: sosgemini said: i thought he said that when he upped the posting limit...but then folks started exceeding that so we mods got lax with the rule again...or maybe i dreamed all of this...by all means am i declaring with 100% certainty that he made the comment. I don't think he "upped the posting limit" for everyone did he? There were some who had it first, no? Don't you have to "request" it via an email to ben? Is the limit the same for everyone? Treat users differently and expect them to follow arbitrary rules about alters? Sounds like the Org! At one time there was a posting limit of about 50 a day. At that time you could request a higher limit from ben directly. He increased that to about 100 a day for everyone at one time and I believe he no longer extends a higher limit for anyone else, unless someone has an account that was already set that way from before. I could be wrong. As for Ben nixing all alters at that time, I don't know. Maybe he did, I'm just not aware. I'm just sayin' it seems a lot to manage for no real solid benefit I can see, is all. |
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ehuffnsd said: sosgemini said: aight now splenda!!! come inside my splenda walls i figure it's the healthy alt now that sheena is a bit older. 
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