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Printablesosgemini said: here's what i think is hard for folks to understand though (in regards to religious speech).
I don't expect anything of this site's moderation anymore because, like life, it's not fair. I do understand that we as posters have no say so, so I don't say anything or report stuff anymore.
you can say: "my religion teaches me that homosexuals will burn in hell for their sins". well, you can post that...but you can't post: "you are going to hell because *you* are gay". now, let me remind folks that i don't moderate the p&r forum and haven't all year however based one my own experience that was always a frustrating balancing act for folks to understand. the org is just like the real world and there are views that while we might not agree with (or in some cases we hate) but we still have to tolerate. i honestly thing we go too far sometimes in what we expect of this sites moderation... In my opinion, when someone calls another orger a murderer because they support abortion, that's a troll. When someone says people who are not christian have an empty idea of what right and wrong is, that is a troll. Obviously, the site's moderation does not think so. I'll deal with it. | |
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Lothan said: I don't say anything or report stuff anymore.
How can you criticize site moderation if your not being active in the solution yourself? Is that fair? on the flipside: your raising some very valid points...we have a new mod of the p&r forum who is very open to hear what that communities needs are. how about you offering some constructive criticism and seeing how things go? everybody (or thing) deserves a second chance....isn't that part of being a good christian? or are you just a murderer who has empty ideas?  just teasing ya.Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: Lothan said: I don't say anything or report stuff anymore.
How can you criticize site moderation if your not being active in the solution yourself? Is that fair? on the flipside: your raising some very valid points...we have a new mod of the p&r forum who is very open to hear what that communities needs are. how about you offering some constructive criticism and seeing how things go? everybody (or thing) deserves a second chance....isn't that part of being a good christian? or are you just a murderer who has empty ideas? just teasing ya.BTW, I am not a christian.  | |
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Lothan said: Teacher said: Oh yeah, cos you know, people with religion are, like, SOOOO much better than we are...  To be perfectly honest, I see mods sticking up moreso for the religious ones than the non-religious ones. Since I never or very rarely post in the P&R I can't say whether or not this is the case, but I think it's VERY easy for a mod pretty much to unconsciously stick up for a religion if it's "their" religion. In this way I think that Mach's a GREAT choice cos she's not a straight up Christian, which is goooood then. But I too believe that religion is often, both here and in rl, held as the "better" or "purer" way of being and so is defended more often. I expect this would actually be different if P&R/the site on the whole had less American mods.  | |
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mplsmike said: >org Troll
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mplsmike said: >org Troll
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evenstar3 said: get off your high horse. you were called a troll for valid reasons you've yet to address, and the only other person i can think of in p&r who meets your categories IS a massive troll, hands down, regardless of political/religious affiliation.  posting inflammatory remarks to purposely derail a thread, time and time again = troll.Greenpixies is not a troll. Not even close. I can think of only a couple real trolls: mikek1 and jesuslickmyballs, who are surely the same person. I think icke4president might be good ol' mikek1 too, but if so, he's toned it down a lot. | |
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sosgemini said: but on the flip side of that i've seen some major "bullying" and taunting by the left in the p&r forum...and worse its a collective effort and the end result is the same as some who are labeled "trolls".
The right is sorely outnumbered on P&R. Maybe the only place I've been in the last 15 years where I could say that... | |
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Lothan said: Teacher said: Oh yeah, cos you know, people with religion are, like, SOOOO much better than we are... To be perfectly honest, I see mods sticking up moreso for the religious ones than the non-religious ones. If someone is truly Christian, then to them all people are God's children. Whether a particular person does or does not believe in God does not change the fact that they are one of God's children and should be treated as such. So if someone who claims to be religious/Christian is denigrating your lack of religion/Christianity, they are engaging in a behavior that is non-Christian by definition, IMHO. | |
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Lothan said: In my opinion, when someone calls another orger a murderer because they support abortion, that's a troll. When someone says people who are not christian have an empty idea of what right and wrong is, that is a troll.
Obviously, the site's moderation does not think so. I'll deal with it. IMHO that is not a troll. That is a disagreeable person; perhaps even an asshole. But not a troll. There's a big difference. A real troll is someone who comes in under several different IDs and runs schemes to make you cry. A real troll might have characters/IDs that run from one end of the spectrum to the other. A real troll will engage in mind games with one goal - to make you cry. They'll even set up fake arguments between two of their characters, just to get you in their trap so they can make you feel bad. A real troll will never let you know who they really are. Trust me, there are no trolls like that on Prince.org. [Edited 6/25/07 15:13pm] | |
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Mars23 said: OK, some clarification. You can be critical of Prince all you want, that's kinda the point of an internet forum, to come and bitch or come and talk about what you like. I also don't care if you are a person, I guess, free of the shackles of "political correctness". I really don't give a shit what your beliefs are. Here are some examples, completely hypothetical, of posts and/or exchanges I may be talking about:
Can Prince fight? Men who release perfume are gay. "You said something I don't like, so I point out your spelling sucks" "No, your spelling sucks""No, YOUR spelling sucks" Does Prince pay for the org because he has a big ego and pays to have it stoked? Completely hypothetical, but you get the point. Now, I'm off to be politically correct and trash some family values. There have to be some gay dudes that want to get married around here...I'll have to check out that perfume post... I never use the term "sucks". Sometimes when an arguement gets useless, I get distracted by misspellings. One needs to know when they are extending themself. That's the problem with automatic spell check for letters and such. How are you ever going to know how to properly spell a word when it's fixed all the time? My question is, does it ever occur to those who completely mangle words, maybe, just maybe, spending a moment looking it up, is time well spent? The definition,the use as a noun, adjective, pronoun etc. You need to develop a sense about it all. self spell check... [Edited 6/27/07 16:23pm] | |
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Sometimes, there seems to be a "runaway train" where there's no communication, just an inappropriate rant. Any attempt to diffuse the situation is useless.There have been circumstances I consider harmful, and need editing. I've observed some scarey stuff. | |
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RodeoSchro said: Lothan said: In my opinion, when someone calls another orger a murderer because they support abortion, that's a troll. When someone says people who are not christian have an empty idea of what right and wrong is, that is a troll.
Obviously, the site's moderation does not think so. I'll deal with it. IMHO that is not a troll. That is a disagreeable person; perhaps even an asshole. But not a troll. There's a big difference. A real troll is someone who comes in under several different IDs and runs schemes to make you cry. A real troll might have characters/IDs that run from one end of the spectrum to the other. A real troll will engage in mind games with one goal - to make you cry. They'll even set up fake arguments between two of their characters, just to get you in their trap so they can make you feel bad.A real troll will never let you know who they really are. Trust me, there are no trolls like that on Prince.org. [Edited 6/25/07 15:13pm] i understand where you're coming from, but technically.. if u allow ppl to get to you mentally.. then they got u ..these ppl need a partner to play 'tennis' with (tit for tat).. if u understand what im saying... ignore is the best weapon.. | |
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