xplnyrslf said:

Mach said:

I believe this is where the "line" gets pushed around. Not just here but in the world in general. What I find funny is what someone else finds offensive. and if that someone who finds it offensive is in any postition to ban it...they will.

Mach said:

Some of the rules are difficult to understand only because some people are allowed to break them and some are not. Therefore, they don't make sense. Some of the wording is very broad and some of the moderators don't follow the rules themselves. There's no real way of really disputing an accusation of not following a rule, so really what are the rules for? As for if they apply? That would really depend on the situation. I feel there have been times when they were unfairly applied to me (over-zealousness) and not others

Mach said:

That's a bit dangerous, isn't it?

Janfriend said:

Could you explain your perception on how so ?

Mach said:

Well, I've only used that report button maybe twice, but I see nothing wrong with reporting a violation when it indeed happens. It shouldn't matter how many times a person complains. If it is a violation, it is a violation. Adding comments to someone's profile is like putting the Scarlett Letter on someone's chest. Giving someone a stamp like that is unfair. It could cause them to be unfairly moderated.

Janfriend said:

Not really.

We have consistantly commented on orgers' accounts based on the situation at hand. We are aware of the orgers in question... we are aware of the persons involved and why the comment was made. We word them in the way that the incident unfolded; in a fair and unbiased manner.

I will state this, though. Someone commented on if a mod has "it in for you" (or something to that effect) than you're pretty much a done deal here. Not true. We all mod the site. All of us... if one mod makes a decision and it is contested by the orger, or the orger brings it to another mods attention and explains his/her case - a reversal may take place. We discuss with the other mods why we feel a reversal should take place. This doesn't happen all the time, but its happened.

In other cases, a mod may mention to another mod that they feel that they are too emotionally involved in a situation and they may excuse him/herself from the situation...

Still, in other cases - we will observe situations from afar. I don't know everyones character on the site. I don't know EVERYONE on the site - so, I may sit out on some disputes in order to be fair - cuz, you know, some orgers just don't get along and are constantly fighting. You need to know the history of the orgers to moderate the situation clearly and fairly.

Considering the amount of time we spend on here, and considering the amount of threads, posts, orgers that we need to moderate... I'd say that we're doing pretty good. No one's been asked to leave by Ben... yet.

Of course - we need to state this again... (yes, I'm repeating myself), WE ARE HUMAN! We will make mistakes. If you feel we have, then in a respectful tone and in a clear and concise way, let us know... WE WILL LISTEN.

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Janfriend said:

I understand your perspective but often times in one day I can get 3-9 complaints about non rule breaking personal petty complaint for days on end.

Mods actually need to share more info on orgers is how I see it. So we can all understand that orgers history and make a better judgement if it is a one time case or a common theme for said orger.

We are not babysitters for personal drama and issues and if an orger misuses the mod to be a ref in their persoanl issues then letting other mods know this info and letting the orger know they are missusing seems a correct action.

I personally reach out to my fellow P&R mods when I am making a stern choice/mod action so that I stay in a balanced place and out of the ego/human emotion that can sometimes come with a situation.

When I am into it too much or am having a bad day in my personal life I will not address complaints here. It would do no one good for a mod to react emotionally.

each day I spend hours here reading through threads and posts that often times I am in no way interested in . To come across a problem with an orger I do not know well, the value of the mods comments on that orgers file can help me make far better choices.



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[Edited 5/3/07 4:49am]

Janfriend said:

One of the problems with this type of discussion is there is "generalized information" that's mentioned for the sake of not wanting to get into details.
Usually the process is, document the facts, present them with the usual date time etc. details, and see what the response is. Is it you disagreed with the moderator who gave an explanation? Does another mod need to give input?
What would solve the problem for you?
(Rule of thumb: Don't present a problem without a suggestion on how to solve it)

xplnyrslf said:

My problem is moderators not giving an explanation, even when asked (as politely as possible)


I really don't need to present a suggestion on how to solve a problem when the problem itself is the fact that the mods don't follow the rules that already exist or bend them when convient

Janfriend said:

I agree with this 1000%. The forum says that this is the place for issues or suggestions yet, there is truly no room here for issues and suggestions and some of the mods themselves have told us so.

I have a question.
Is there one individual solely responsible for writing the current set of rules or was it a collaborative effort?
if solely written by one individual may I ask who? if collaborative, may I ask who?
thanx

Stymie said:

...and when there is an issue or suggestion presented, there's a common response

Shorty said:

hello? mcfly?

Shorty said:

In general, you probably have to ask the originators of the site...Ben, Kevin, Matt???

Some of the more basic ones, in regards to YouTube & Prince, and bootlegs and the like, were the result of sue-happy attorneys who threatened to shut down the sites that violate his copyrights. Still, even then it all comes down from Ben. We have suggested things, and amongst eachother come up with procedure when a mass problem arises, and yes - even set it into policy and added the addendums on the forum "warning" of such violations.

Overall, the basis of the Org - the core - came from the orginators of the site.

OK
Thank you!

Stymie said: