I wonder why some of my fellow members join this site? I keep reading less than favorable things or opinions about one of the greatest talents to be born..Mr. Prince. Pls haters go elsewhere or play nice?



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Some are haters, sure, but the majority are 'letdowners', 'feelbretrayed-ers', 'wish-he-would-stop-fucking-about-ers' etc... Since when has a contrary opinion been a bad thing. I'm fed up with all the 'isn't it great that Prince is great' threads and editorial that appears to be pervading this site.

This is an open forum. If you don;t agree with something that someone has written, ignore it, or argue - intelligently - your contrary point of view. Censorship only flies on Fox.

Everyone has a right to be here...Prince fan or not. To be fair there ain't that many shit-stirrers around here anymore anyway.
I don't know what annoys me more...the fams who woship the ground Prince walks on, or the peeps who keep wanting him to "go back to what he does best".

r1ghteousone said:

or the ones who claim fan abuse and bad treatment, but keep coming back for more. Ya gotta cover all bases.

I think sites like this (and the internet in general for that matter) often appear to be more "negative" than they actually are simply because if people don't like something, they will be more inclined to post/talk about it than if they do like it.

I mean, let's say I love the new Prince album - Yay for me! But let's say I don't... what can I do about it? Hmmm... maybe post my disapointment on a fan site! It's hard to explain, but I hope you get what I mean... I also think we exaggerate our feelings to emphasise our ideas. Often when people post that they "hate" the new album, they really mean that it's good, but just not as good as they were expecting... etc.
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I discovered the Org by accident 5 years ago. I was doing a search for something Prince related and a thread from the Org came up as one of the results. I lurked for about a week and when I just couldn't stand the bashing anymore, I joined to offer my point of view; again and again and again!

I've since learned that whether I like it or not, there are going to be those that criticize Prince and whatever he does but whether they like it or not, there are going to be those that adore Prince and whatever he does. And all those in between!

I will admit honestly though, that's what keeps the Org interesting for me. I've been to the "it's all about love" boards and they frighten me more than this place ever could!

Prince has a long long line of people willing and waiting to Kiss His Ass.

Some of those that have love for him, know he needs tough love.

They are quickly usshered away from him by the ass kissers.

i joined this site and others to discuss lyrics; the meaning, development and connections etc. most threads are not about that is my opinion. for example: the lyrics of 'one song': you could discuss that for a while i think, but on most sites it's just a few comments and that's it.

It was the week 3121 leaked and I was at home during spring break, bored b/c all my ppl were out of town and listening to the album so...I came here.

I joined the org simply bcuz I adore Prince!Alwayz have,alwayz will.

I see this as a discussion site, for a discussion you need different, sometimes opposing, points of view, otherwise it would be called an agreement site! Isn't it often said that fans are the worst critics? I see nothing wrong in being positive about some Prince related subject one minute and being negative about another the next.

One of the things about Prince, he has been going a long time, so you get fans of different periods that hate the music of another. Prince is also very contradictory and changes his opinions, which doesn't help for simple discussions. And on top of all that, music is very subjective, as it should be, everybody having wildly different likes and dislikes - and as a fan, where are you going to post about both those other than on a fan site?

The biggest fans will always be the biggest critics because they're the most interested.

I think the word 'haters' is both a) a tired cliché and b) an over-the-top reaction to someone simply criticising an element of Prince's work. 'Naysayers' is another word that I can't believe people still use these days.

If I hated Prince, I'd hardly be here and neither would anybody else who hated him. Every now and then on any site a troll will turn up simply to piss everybody off but they're usually very easy to spot because they'll know very little about the subject that they're attacking.

If we all agreed that everything Prince did was wonderful, this place would be pretty darn boring.

You know, I love 'New Power Soul' but can't stand 'Adore'. NEWS is, in my opinion, Prince's most intricate and deep work to date but Sign O The Times is over-rated and contains some of Prince's most dull songs, also in my opinion.

Now, those opinions (which are honest, btw) will produce far more interesting debate (but not here on this thread I hope) than simply stating that Prince is great and so is everything he creates.

Power 2 the people
But do the people need the power?
The REASON some joined the org
2 complain by the HOUR

I'm NOT amused
But don't be alarmed.....
The one and their crew
Will NOT strong arm
The FEW

Haystack said:

Haters: Those that hate to see anyone else enjoying a discussion about Prince so they interject with false accusations, innuendo and flat out lies.

Naysayers: Those that dismiss every new song, tour, television appearance, or idea as failures even before they've listened to the songs, gone to the shows, watched the program and heard the idea.

Nothing over-the-top. Just my definitions of who these people are.

Graycap23 said:

SexyBeautifulOne said:

Exactly!

SexyBeautifulOne said:

but heres the issue with this type of philosophy, you immediately turn the discussion personal. its no longer about the person's opinion and about the person's motives...

and thats what baffles me...folks can get really upset over the supposed haters and naysayers comments and respond/debate/argue with that person's comments but in the end your fueling the negativity and encouraging more of it.

but...if you simply state your own opinion, then the original person's comments are just one of many perspectives.

sosgemini said:

you know quite well this does not apply to those who merely state their opinion. It's more about those who sit on Prince fansites because they've been mad at him for over a decade, or mad at the fact that the Prince of the 80's is gone and they just can't get over it. It baffles me that those people just don't move on with their lives. I find it mind boggling actually.

The bottom line is, just as there are prince "fams" there are prince hater "addicts", and then there are those in between.
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wonder505 said:

your bold statement, while being totally presumptuous, is also off the mark. in the end, if you simply disagree or ignore the side that you disagree with then its just another person sharing their perspective from a collective...it really is the tit for tat nitpicking/bitching/fighting/dissecting of others posts that fuels the nastiness...

i honestly feel that...for instance, there is a particular orger who posts anti-bush rants in the p&r forum...now, im no bush lover (ehh hehehehe..anyhoo) but it got to the point were reading his (uhhh...errr or her) threads annoyed me. so what did i do? i stopped opening up threads that this orger creates...my problem is solved...im back to enjoying the org.

i. empowered. myself.
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the more to the pot the spicer the meal

sosgemini said:

If it were a simple matter of the haters and naysayers starting their own threads to spew their venom on then your "empowerment" theory would be effective but you know good and well that is not the case around here.

Personally, I think an "ignore orger" button would work better. Those that don't mind the foolishness can enjoy it and those that do mind it, won't have to be put up with it, without missing out on the other aspects of the discussion. Problem solved!
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well, I am all about honest discussion, but can we keep it civil, semi-intelligent and at the very least be compassionate? This is built around a real person with real feelings....I love the the exchange here ( :

SexyBeautifulOne said:

i love that idea...

sosgemini said:

Cool! Hey wait a minute...you wouldn't use that button on me, would you?

But what happens when an orger you wish to ignore has something relevant, important or accurate to say? Then, you are denying yourself information or opinion that may concur with yours simply because, in the main, you disagree with someone. Why not read what they have to say and ignore it if you think it is frivolous, reply if you think it is worthy?

BoySimon said:

I don't know about you...but the people I'd use it on...NEVER have anything relevant to say. However, if a miracle should happen and that did occur, I would be able to tell by the responses from those that can see it and I'd take that person off of my ignore list for the time being.

I choose not to ignore. If I happen to disagree, I say so...by and large... or I laugh and then move on to the next thread. People's opinions and their right to air them is cool, as is my right to vilify them and/or ignore them.

SexyBeautifulOne said:

I've never been one for 'see no evil, hear no evil'. I don't actually think there are a huge number of orgers in it purely for winding people up, a couple but not a lot. Mostly it is simply a case of people having different opinions which others might bracket under " false accusations, innuendo and flat out lies".

Anyway, I've got one of those buttons. It is in my head. Only takes you a second to recognise an orgers name and not bother reading their post, if that is your wish.

SexyBeautifulOne said:

I still stand by what I said. And I still think the use of those two words shows up people's limited vocabulary and their lack of ability to think too deeply.

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