Aaron said:

Aaron, I've never deleted a thread or post simply because it was critical of me or the other moderators. Yes, I have used heavy-handed tactics, but that's not one of them.

matt said:

sure!

He is does what he has 2 do, and he is doing a fine job as a moderator.

Aaron said:

If you search through the archives of this forum, you'll find the posts in question. They're still there. Sometimes I responded (and some folks didn't like my responses, but that's another issue), and sometimes I didn't, but I never deleted something simply because it contained criticism or dissent.

Now, when someone (who shall remain nameless) decided to post-bomb the forums because he didn't like some of my moderation actions, I did delete those posts... but their content wasn't why I deleted them.

matt said:

The ones I'm talking about aren't in the archives of this forum or any forum, because you deleted them.

Aaron said:

This is ridiculous.

During the "insurrection" this past June, you complained that I was locking critical/dissenting threads in General Discussion and giving people a pointer to prince.org Site Discussion, the forum we set up for people to discuss issues like that. According to you, I was trying to "bury" the complaints.

I replied:

It's not about trying to "bury" complaints. If I wanted to bury them, I would have just deleted them. And I certainly wouldn't have posted multiple links to them. But I did exactly that, because I had no desire to bury the discussion at all.

IceNine followed up with:

I have to agree with you about the fact that you did not delete the topics and re-directed them, including a link to the new topic. That was an honorable way to handle the situation. It would have been even easier to delete the topics entirely.

You let both of these pass without comment, and nobody else challenged the assertion that I was redirecting (and not deleting) complaints/concerns about moderation.

Now, over two months later, you're asking us to believe that I deleted some unspecified "dissenting" posts, even though the archives contain plenty of them, including some that I felt were completely out of line (e.g., personal attacks against me). And given that you chose to express your dissent back then by post-bombing our forums (a major reason for the two-month shutdown of General Discussion), I find your credibility to be rather questionable.

Well, I think this thread is a bit out of date now, since as Aaron and Shausler mentioned, we're all getting along a lot better now.

Also, hopefully you'll all start appreciating Matt a lot more now that you have an arrogant, opinionated, heavy-handed asshole like me moderating the forums too

let it go matt...let it go..

matt said:

matt, you locked, deleted and redirected many threads. this argument will go nowhere, as the ones deleted cannot be referenced nor can the locked ones in the old GD forum.

Aaron said:

I never denied locking and redirecting threads. As for that part of your accusation, so what? The issue is whether "dissenting" threads were deleted.



Well, for once we agree on something. This argument isn't going to go anywhere because: 1) you're obfuscating the issue; and 2) you refuse to accept--or even acknowledge--the evidence in my favor.

Would you two please knock it off?
[This message was edited Sun Sep 8 18:10:41 PDT 2002 by matt--No personal attacks, please.]

SkletonKee said:

You may be right. I don't take kindly to people telling lies about me or making unfounded attacks on my integrity, but on this issue, I think I've said all there is to say.

Aaron, go ahead and have the last word if it makes you feel better. Unless you've got something new to say, stick a fork in me, because I'm done.

Honey, I was obfuscating just this weekend, and now I have a big old nasty rash over my lip!

matt said:

that's because you've removed all of the evidence in my favor. do you remember the day when you kept locking deleting threads? and i kept re-posting them, just to be locked/deleted again? i used up my limit on 4 usernames. and you went crying to ben to have my posting priveleges suspended. remember? eh? and what were those threads about?
[This message was edited Sun Sep 8 18:31:09 PDT 2002 by Aaron]

2the9s said:

2the9s, don't you hate it when someone else edits your post for you? Seems... what... idiotic?


I think I'm going to stay out of this forum. That matt is the only moderator on a forum where we should be able to voice criticisms about the Org or the moderation of it, makes me a bit queasy. I'll stick to the others, where there's at least another moderator to appeal to.


[This message was edited Sun Sep 8 18:59:31 PDT 2002 by Aaron]

My mother always told me that if you didn't have anything nice to say about someone, you shouldn't say anything at all...

That !



[This message was edited Sun Sep 8 19:31:25 PDT 2002 by 2the9s]

What me worry about moderation?

MATTERATION

Waitaminite
Matt had an entire post here not long ago responding to 2the9s post, now its completely gone.
We should have the ability to remove a post without a trace.

Aaron said:

I'll ask Ben to change this. Actually, both Ben and Ian have moderation privileges in this forum, and I've seen both of them take moderation action here, so I don't know why only my name is listed.

However, please be advised that attempts to play one moderator against another are frowned upon. This is something we (i.e., the moderators) have talked about "behind the scenes." In fact, the new forum rules state:

"If you don't agree with a decision, you may discuss it with the moderator who made the judgement..."

Aaron said:

here's an example: http://www.prince.org/msg...&tid=21483