TotalAlisa said:

He moderates other forums

sosgemini said:

That was in reference to your previous moderation job and on that I'm still LMAO.

BSK3601 said:

i dont recall the d'angelo incident..but if i rolled my eyes while mod'ing then i apologize...i really dont remember this.

i want to address the "dumbass" comment..you say i was "deadset"...i wasnt...all i did was read the "dumbass" comment and i reported it as a flame...and i moved on...i didnt even realize it was you who i was reporting...i simply saw a flame and responded...

this brings me to an interesting point...some of you all think we follow you around and remember every single thing you've said...i sure the hell dont...im busy working...living life...i pop in and out of threads...i read something thats a flame and i react...i dont take the "life" of the orger and their entire org experience into consideration (well...for the most part...that does happen when you have a repeat offender who just wont follow site rules)...i am being totally honest when i say that i didnt remember your screen name or nurse's and didnt remember the threads you all have issues with until you jogged my memory.

theres soo much going on folks...and as much as i try to make this place better it just isnt that important for me to remember every single bit of history up in here. so if you have a mod respond to an incident that involves you dont immediatly jump to the conclussion that we are taking action against you personally. for the most part we are just responding to the situation.

and hey, you can feel however you want about me...thats your right as a free willed human being.

nurse said:

are you here to have a conversation/discussion with me?

sosgemini said:

No. I've said my peace with u and I'm now supporting my fellow orgers-that's what Prince fans do .

sosgemini said:

Don't get me wrong... I didn't lose sleep over it because it's not that deep. But you seem to get real defensive when folks question your moderation or your motives/opinions. You just admitted that you jumped the gun and didn't even thoroughly read my post before you reported me. So why, if these type of actions continually happen (to me and several other orgers), would you think everyone should think of you as a credible moderator.

Honestly, I'd like to see where you're making a difference because at this point luv4u and Nana seemed to be doing the most dirty work when it comes to cleaning up threads (In the forums I visit most frequently... you other mods don't take offense because I only venture into 4 forums on this site and GD ain't one of 'em.) It just seems to me you're consistently giving lip service about being an advocate for differences of opinion. Yet, when someone says something you don't agree with (i.e. you being called sweetheart as opposed to orgers who feel there are racial biases in certain threads) then they are in the wrong. You recently admitted in another forum that you don't see any problems in the forums you moderate... yet for some reason you are always attempting to "clean up" the other forums. Why is that?

TotalAlisa said:

I think some of them don't have real jobs...at least they don't act like it

I just had a moderator NOT respond to an orgnote

BlackBuddy said:

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.... SO FUNNY

I'm not sure what this all about, and I'm sure you guys have legitimate complaints, but I loves me some SOS.

The P&R forum is much more intelligent and civil than it used to be, even while people are still allowed to be passionate etc.

That forum in particular has always needed an adult moderating it.

And this has nothing to do with his political slant; there used to be a mod who had a similar slant but he let it get away from him.

Plus, I totally agree that sarcasm should have no place in moderation. It creates more problems than it causes. But there's been less of that too lately...

I'm not saying "humor," right?

I'm sure you guys see it differently, and you probably have good reasons etc... I'm just commenting on my perception since this is an active thread in SD.

BSK3601 said:

sweetheart? see...what does that have to do with site moderation? I was having a conversation with someone and asked them not to address me as "sweetheart"...whats wrong with that? if that person chose to ignore my request and continue to call me that i would not engage that person in further discussion because that person wouldnt be respecting my boundries...isnt that what adult people do: communicate? i never said they were wrong...i just asked them not to call me that.

furthermore, i think some of you all misintrepret my intent when im chatting in other forums...if i see folks getting al upset because threads are creating making fun of prince or making fun of say, tamar, well im just trying to wax with them how not to let those type of threads get to them...im not moderating...and im not telling folks how to discuss things...im just recommending how to handle those situations. So. They. Dont. Get. Frustrated.

look, im always pointing out that im expressing my opinions as a participant of this site and not as a moderator but folks keep throwing that shit in my face.

and yeah im going to defend myself when folks are saying that i am a racist. fuck yeah im going to defend my integrity.

and ya know what...if i remember correctly your entire post consisted of "dumbass". no other words were part of that post...i saw that and posted it as a flame. and i reported that flame as a participant of the site...the mod who snipped the comment had every right to review the thread and determine if the comments should be removed...they snipped the comment. they made the call...

so why the heck is this being thrown at me as an issue of my moderation? why didnt you go after the mod who snipped the comments?
[Edited 8/3/06 21:35pm]

BlackBuddy said:

see, now what good does a comment like this do to the discussion?

2the9s said:

you might get fair treatment but that doesnt mean everybody else does

sosgemini said:

its not fair that in america we have freedom of speech but on a forum... you dont have that freedom.... you guys treat people like babies... i should be able to express how i feel... i dont think thats wrong... im not name calling

sosgemini said:

I'm not even talking about you, so why is that comment an issue for you? It was in reference to the previous post about mods not getting paid and treating this like a career. My point? SOME are on everyone's ass soo much that it's like they have nothing else going on. I have discussed this with you, in private, about a mod who treated me unfairly and I felt was harassing me

BlackBuddy said:

i just think making comments like that are counterproductive to your goal: to achieve change. why would anyone listen to your perspective when you take a shot at them...the end up putting a wall and stop listening to your opinion.

see, if anything maybe this thread will get us mods to at least "think" about our actions...but when folks start demeaning each other...such as when nurse called me a racist, well...what good does that do? i'd much rather have someone create a thread saying, "hey...when you took this action...i took it this way...could you please talk to me about why you did it and how your actions could be misintepreted".

after all...we all want the same goal, to have an enjoyable place online to go and escape from the grind of our real lifes...thats what im here for...and i know thats why your here...but turning things into an us vs. them only creates a further divide that ends up with all parties being frustrated and nothing positive coming from it.

cha know what i mean?

sosgemini said:

Why do you insist on putting me in this discussion when I already said that I gave you my opinion about your moderation? You need to accept the criticism, improve and let it go!

sosgemini said:

See, and I just interpreted that as "Tell me why you did this to me and I will accept it, because you're always right"




I really don't think everyone has the same goal. Some people make life on the org harder for others
[Edited 8/3/06 22:24pm]

no complaints here!

i love what you guys are doing. have never had any problem with your decisions...

lots of

BlackBuddy said:

OK, I was gonna keep my big yap shut and just lurk on this thread - I got my bag of popcorn right next to me and I'm chomping away and having a good ol' time - but I think there's one thing that EVERYONE seems to have forgotten.

I have to at claims of "totalitarianism" and "fascism" because those are the same tired old songs people have been singing since the days when I was moderating and even well before.

All of you should know I'm one of the biggest First Amendment hags on the Org. I believe in free speech, and I think that if we lose our ability to express ourselves as completely as humanly possible, we've completely lost the plot as a society. I do believe this - as a writer, as a human being, as a living thing. I do.

BUT:

I am totally at peace with the fact that we do not have freedom of speech on Prince.org.

This site, by its very design, is NOT A DEMOCRACY.

Wanna know why?

BECAUSE WE DON'T FOOT THE BILL TO KEEP THIS THING RUNNING.

Ben does. He designed the site. He's done the upkeep over the years. He pays for the web space. Not you. Not me. Him.

So guess what? Our freedom of speech only goes as far as what Ben finds acceptable.

If he decides the word "tomato" is offensive to his sensibilities, then guess what? You say "tomato", you get banned!

Ben has chosen a group of people to represent him as custodians of the Org. I'm not here right now to praise or condemn them, but as far as I'm concerned, their words and actions ideally represent the way Ben wants his site maintained.

If you don't like this reality, you have an option that has been realized by others in the past:

START YOUR OWN DAMN SITE.

Then you can make the rules as YOU see fit, you can bring on moderators YOU think are best for the job, and you can mod an online community based on YOUR principles and ideals.

And I'm not being a smartypants here - DO IT. You might create something better than the Org. You never know!

And here's where I have to say something that may be taken as critical toward the mods, but I swear I'm not referencing anything specific (or really, anything vague for that matter):

It may seem that the Mods have "unlimited power" based on what I've just blathered in this post. They have final say, they have banning power, they can do what they want and they represent Ben, blah blah blah....

Well, okay, they can do all this stuff, but it would be behoovey of the Mods to realize that this isn't a free pass to do what ya like. Abusing moderator privileges might be an easy thing to do with Ben being an absentee sitemaster and all, but when the custodians of this site make it an uncomfortable place to visit, people will find somewhere else to go and soon you'll find yourselves moderating empty forums...and that's not a whole lot of fun.

I'm not saying anyone IS or ISN'T abusing their Mod privs or that anyone is a shining beacon of Moddy goodness. I'm not interested in that discussion. But there IS a check and balance system for Mods that exists just by virtue of people choosing to come here as opposed to somewhere else. It's important that the Mods realize this whenever they snip, ban, delete, hide, warn, etc.

Just like membership is a privilege, so is being a Mod. And the members have sole power to promote the popularity of this site or run screaming from it.

Both parties - Mods and members - have the power, if you really think about it.

nurse said:

how about this for criticism? you dont know how to engage me in adult conversation...all you do is degrade me...all you do is bitch at me so no, im not going to take anything you tell me seriously...no, i dont consider you anything other then a troll that is trying to stir shit up with the moderators here and no im not going to consider to "improve myself" based on anything your saying because you. are. just. trying. to. start. shit.

you want to come back and hold a discussion like an adult and treat folks with respect then maybe i will respect you enough to actually consider what you have to say...

until such time:


(the above post is an example of how rude you are to me and others when you talk to them...nobody has to put up with that bs...nobody.)

one final comment to you, nurse:

"go improve yourself!!!"

hey folks...im heading out of town for a funeral so i wont be able to respond to anymore comments...based on that im going to request that the mods lock this thread up. theres nothing really more to be said between those who have respectfully addressed their concerns to me...however, if anyone wants to continue discussing how i could personally improve how i moderate feel free to orgnote me or email me via the org.


i know this thread has veared away from purplerein's original intent....my bad!!! but i felt a couple folks wanted a better understanding and im glad i was able to discuss matters with them...

later.

-nicholas
[Edited 8/4/06 6:06am]

Moderators donate their time making sure we all get along, and that the content of the boards is not hurtful. It's a judgement call, much as an umpire in a baseball game, or referee on a football field has to call them as they see them.
Are umpires, referees and moderators human? Yes. Do they make mistakes? yes, instant replay shows that to be true. Do they have a hard job? yes. Do the fans get on them, and throw things at them? yes. Still they go out and ref the game. Why?...besides the salary its because they love the game and want to see it played according to the rules.

Look at your profession Nurse. If you used a syringe on two different patients, that would be harmful, but you don't do that. Are nurses under paid and over worked? yes. would you love for someone to say hey Nurse, thanks for what you do? I bet you do. How do you feel when you have to listen to a patients family yell because they don't think their loved one is getting proper care..and you knnow you're doing the best you can.

The only ones griping are the ones who have been corrected by the mods

I got a warning because of some statements I made that someone objected to, just this week. Did I complain about it like a little bitch 2nd grader? no.

Grow up. This is a website. It's not life.


thanks for what you do Mods.

that's another thing i wanted to mention:

people need to grow a thicker skin about getting their posts snipped and deleted.

it's an INTERNET POST, not the great internationally acclaimed novel of the century. you're not going to win a pulitzer for your work in the "male multiple orgasms" thread so don't go acting like your cake got left in the rain when your words get clipped - believe me, you WILL have that recipe again, macarthur parker!

and i know - sometimes a lot of work goes into a well-worded post and it really sucks to have all that thought and effort snipped. but ya know what? SAVE those posts if they mean so much. start a blog. post the important stuff there. they have blogs on myspace...type your revolutionary rants there if you don't want an org mod deleting them. at least you know you're in more control of the publication of your thoughts.

take this place for what it is, and take your contributions for what they are.

TotalAlisa said:

I don't doubt that and I sympathize with where you're coming from.

And btw, there is a better check and balance system than just "if you don't like it, leave."

I'm not sure if it's in the rules or not (I don't have time to go paging through the dissertation that is the rules here), but I know it's been said that if you have repeated problems with a moderator, to take it up with the site owner.

2the9s said:

good luck contacting him.

Anx said:

BlackBuddy said:

Wanna know why I think you may have been suspended? Probably not, but here goes....

Because, out of frustration and anger, you tend to say idiotic things like the statement above, which is completely unwarranted and spiteful, not to mention completely off topic. I've seen you do this many, many times. If you all would just realize that the rules are not your own, and accept this fact, you wouldn't have to lower yourself by saying such things. The very few times I've received a warning, I've complied with the suggestions given, and let it go. That's the ONLY choice you have. Why is that so hard to see? I don't like some of the decisions made by the moderators, but in my complaining, I try to be logical and respectful about it.