um, since when?

cborgman said:

It's done all the time in subtle and not so subtle ways. A thicker skin sometimes helps.

Eternaldragon said:

no, no, i totally agree. my theory is if you can't handle having your beliefs secular, relgious, political, whatever, you should stay out of p&r.

i am just curious as to at what point it become forbidden to tell people their religious beliefs are wrong, as sosgemini seems to say.

p&r forum rules:




these have been the forum rules for a while now...the p&r forum has been civil for a long time now and its because folks know they cant come into it bashing folks for their beliefs. from time to time i have to post lil warnings reminding folks that this aint the place for bigotry but for the most part the forum has had very very lil moderator intervention.

folks seem to like to gang up on ED and while he does a good job of wearing that "thick skin" I still felt that a friendly reminder was warranted before things got out of hand...

but note that no comments were snipped...no moderation actions were taken..it was simply a friendly reminder.

cborgman said:

its a public forum so the comments posted dont just affect those who participate...besides, you can be respectful of other's beliefs and share the exact sentiments and ideals...

this really is a non-issue...the p&r forum has been going really strong and folks have been really respectful. sure, like ED says folks are a lot more subtle about refuting other's beliefs...but in making those points in a subtle manner, they are being respectful of others views.

sosgemini said:

perhaps then you could explain to me how this violates any of the rules?

Rebeljuice said:

i also reread the site rules to be sure, and see the "criticize ideas, not people." , which is clearly what rebeljuice did, and seems to me to be a violation of neither set of rules.

but maybe i am missing something?
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cborgman said:[quote]

sosgemini said:

you are...if you re-read my comments you will see:

sosgemini said:[quote]

cborgman said:

i am curious then... why would you remind someone about not breaking the rules, when they aren't breaking or even close to breaking the rules?
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cborgman said:

i said:

sosgemini said:[quote]

cborgman said:

i am confused... what made you feel things were about to get out of hand?

cborgman said:

because i've been moderating that forum for a while now and i guess its now a sixth sense...ive always issued warnings like that and they seem to work..im a firm believer in preventative measures.

sosgemini said:

you and bush

i looked over the posts leading up to that one, and see very little that would make me think things were about to get out of hand. in fact, i saw wher things could have gotten out of hand quickly much closer to the beginning of the thread, like in the first post, the first words of which are "Now I know people are ignorant" in reference to the people trying to claim that jesus did not walk on the water. i am quite suprised your sixth sense didnt go off then, but curiously did over a much more civil post.

but then, i am not a mod. could you explain to me exactly what sent your sixth sense off about the post in question, bt not the other far less civil ones in the thread?

and could you provde links to some of your other preventative measures? i want to understand what sets your sixth sense off better.

thanks in advance!

Eternaldragon said:

and apparently i am not the only one who wants to learn these skills.

cborgman said:

if there are instances were you feel that site rules have been violated feel free to report those posts...im really not going to get into why i do what i do to ensure that the p&r forum continues to thrive.

i think ive explained myself enough, expecially when it comes to a situation that involved ZERO site moderation action taken...have a goodnight.

out!!

cborgman said:

i really dont appreciate being mocked...im off to watch House...have a goodnight.

sosgemini said:

well, i would think you would want to help someone who wants to better understand how to makep&r a more civil place, instead of deny their pleas to help them become a better person.

will you please reconsider?

sosgemini said:

i'm not mocking you. what would make you think that? did i set your sixth sense off? i didn't mean to.

Um...well...I personally think that rebeljuice was not merely expressing his own opinion in that statement (or did but didn't intend it to come out that way) but was making more of an emphatic and direct statement about a religious document that some hold as sacred. Flat out saying that like he did is very close to being disrespectful of a religion. Hence the warning....

Eternaldragon said:

i see. and is this also your belief sosgemini?

cborgman said:

why should i engage you in further discussion when this is the tone you are choosing to use?

House Review: so so episode...

sosgemini said:

what? it was an honest question. i apologize for it, i didn't realize that a sixth sense was part of your belief system, and i realize now we are not allowed to question other people's belief systems.

please forgive me.
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sosgemini said:

i'm sorry, i believe the rules also say that posts must be kept on topic, so i feel i should warn you to keep it on topic, please.

thanks.

Ive had this argument before to no avail. But, I do not believe that the bible is any word of god, so as part of the debate I stated such. Much like ED does not believe evolution is true and states as much very very often. What is the difference between me saying that he is wrong and him saying I am wrong? None. The only difference is one viewpoint is about religion and the other science. As has been stated earlier, people can be down right ridiculed for their support of Bush but not their religion. If anyone has a tougher skin it is the religious folk so protecting them from an opposing belief isn’t really required. I quite happily take ED’s punches on the chin when it comes to evolution so he should be happy to take mine. And if he isn’t, then he can simply cease to debate with me.

I stand by my views because that’s what I believe. I also stand by the way I expressed those views as it was essential to phrase them that way due to the nature of the debate. He was asking for scientific proof about the resurrection and other such miracles attributed to Jesus, his own argument backed up by the bible. The only way to get around ED’s often circular argument is to dismiss the bible from the equation. And that is what I did.

SOS, I really don’t think you need to moderate in order to protect ED. He does enough shit stirring to be big enough to stand up for himself. He is no goody two shoes either and has views far more extreme than my own.

Rebeljuice said:

that's what I always try but it never works, it keeps coming back ..and back ...and back ...and back

cborgman said:

ED (and others) keep on saying Evolution is our "faith". so when he discards Darwin and claims Evolution is purley fictional, should I see this as a religious attack that violates forum rules?

when people start quoting religious texts that arent of my faith at me, does that mean that i should report them?

Dancelot said:

Having faith in something not yet seen or not seen or not yet proven is not the same as holding it sacred in worship. I don't think you pray to an evolution god or attend a darwin church so I don't think that really qualifies.

Evolution is also not the same as an historical text written by people that were there or claimed to be written by the person claimed to have created everything. Evolution is merely an interpretation of the evidence we see around us today. Origins science.

I have never said evolution is fictional. I have said it reaches wrong conclusions and I give alternate ones, based on observable evidence in science and using available scientific techniques. Far, far from a "religious attack".